Hello

Does anyone have any idea if Qatar will be recruiting this time next year? I would like to join the company around Sept/Oct 2011 as I still have another year left on my bond. Also how long does it take from applying on the to being offered an interview and subsequently being offered a position?

Thanks in advance
Roy

Probably just the luck of the draw, but for May every single day was as per my bid (no specific bids, general only), one stand-by, one tbn and eleven days off. April's roster was obviously a manual one, but May's is very good indeed (for A320 Capt).
Hope all of you can say the same!

Overall roster in May seems to be better than April for A320 F/O, but still too low on block hrs. Only 52 hrs. :ugh:

FLYINGBEAR66

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And the number of people resigning from the company remains high

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not sure why your trying to make news out of something that is not news. For those of us who have been here a long while we all know that it has been this way for years.. New guys keep on flowing thru the doors and we have airplanes on order for years to come. One per month is that way it's been for more than 8 years now and there is no end in sight, so for those of you who are new.. this is all nothing new, it's just the way it is.

as for shedules it's not just the F/O's that have a heavy standby schedule. I for one have the normal average flights and hours these days (75+) with no less than 8 standby days, 8 days off in Doha (Max 2 consecutive) as well as 2 days OFF on layover. Thats just the way it is. Is crying going to change it ? No.. is complaining going to change it ? No.. sitting around in a circle jerk with your mates whining about it going to change things ? No.. and why ? because this is Qatar Airways and thats just the way it is around here, so you might just as well get used to it because in all the years I have been out here it's not gotten any better.. it's changed allot but what you get in one place it quickly taken away in another.. and so it goes.

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Krunch

For the guy trying to decide whats better Ethihad 320 or Qatar 330.
It doesnt matter to me were you go, but choosing Qatar over Ethihad will be the biggest mistake of your career. You cant compare citys, even though lots of Ehtihad crews living in Dubai. Come visit both citys, come visit the substandard housing in Doha for crews, plus you get 14,000AED for housing at EY compared to no option but company slums here at Qatar.
Anyway its up too you, but do your research if you actually have the option of choosing.

Info
 

Good evening,

I have a few questions,

Does in the last few times QR recruits pilots with the minimus they put on the website?
Being an F/O with an full JAA ATPL license and 2000hours ( 1700 jet time EFIS ) with ICAO english level 6 and with no TR on any Airbus or Boeing what are my changes?
With no rating what fleet may they out you on? and what ´s the current bond?

Thx

Holiday Villas - I'm here and it is fine, definitely not substandard - chances are if you have a family you may be put here initially but there will probably be a chance to move.

330 - largest 330 operator in the world, lots of variety, bit of shorthaul, lots of far east , bits of europe what more do you want - i can't wait !

hours - there are guys here with several hundred hours less than the stated minimum of 2000

I know where your coming from but
what exactly do you think you can do about it around here. if you have been here any amount of time you will realize that being invisable and under the radar it the best way to have longevity here. Once you have that target on your back you will have it much worse than normal. and normal is bad enough. In the end I could care less, give me the jet and let me go, then pay me afterward and the rest disapears when I go home.
not just the past 2 years mate.. the past 10.. it's always been that way.. the staff numbers on new joiner ID's are 30,000 higher than mine.. thats allot of people. even with the seperation from 9000 to 18000
like i've said so many times before.. it's nothing new. it has always been this way and we have always been hiring and a high rate and have always seen aircraft come 1 per month for years and years, and I've seen hundreds come and just as many go.. do you really think it will change, once you realize it will NOT, then you will be another one to go and 2 more at the door to take your place, who will also leave .. round and round we go.. good job I dont get dizzy that easily:yuk:

I just put up and shut up, get what I can out of the place and go when I feel it's time. this is NOT a career airline and never will be.

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Krunch

Radar
 

Capt Krunch: Great post! Spot on!
I really couldn't agree more with your analysis!

All of you guys in QR or intending to join QR: stay under radar and remain invisible! It's not your company after all, so just go flying, enjoy your own skills, take the money, go home to your family and have a life!

When I was there I unfortunately happened to become visible on radar cause somebody didn't like me getting married to a Flight Attendant. So we left and it was the best decision ever. Although we could have lasted a year or two longer without becoming a target on radar...

So, if you work for QR, mind your own business, be a professional and don't try to change the world. If you should try, better have a backup plan or be ready to have people screw with your life!

Qatar
 

Hi all,

Im hoping some of the guys and gals down in Qatar can give me a heads up about current conditions in Qatar.

They are advertising for pilots but are they actually hiring? What kind of guys are they taking on? Min requirements are 2000 hours, would they be interested in someone with 2500 or are they still looking for higher more experienced guys?

Whats life like in Doha for a single young guy? Pay and roster in Qatar?

Would appreciate any heads up from people that know the airline or are currently working there. Not alot of info to be found on Qatar in the various forums.

Cheers

Qatar
 

Hi guys,

Interesting thoughts so far.

Again as with one of the recent posts? Are they actually taking on guys with the min requirements of 2000 hours or are they realisticly looking for guys with more time and experience? What aircraft are they recruiting for at the moment? The 777? Or do new guys start on the 330?

How long does the application process take?

lucky you Che Xinda...
Not the case for everybody....!!
The "good" flight...you never receive it.. even if you request ....;Indian sector off course even without asking anything you will receive some...,
"Good" news...you get now layover in cochin,TRV,HYD....but you will have to fly a gulf sector before your indian night flight....
Do you remember guys 1..2 years..ago when they receive a lot of ASR due to fatigue(expecially 320)..seems (well that´s my feeling) that we are going back again slowly but surely to this situation...are we getting short of crew again....??:}
Hopefuly i´m wrong..

Commuting on A320?? Don't think so. It's the worst fleet in QR. Work the most. Get pay the least. Lots of STBY that won't get call out. Average of 50 block hrs per month with 120+ Duty hours:ugh::ugh:

Forget commuting
 

Not to Europe, not in the sandpit, commuting is a no go here, too much trouble, no time off, custom problems, overbooked flights etc. Also you cannot live in Dubai if you work in Doha, you will not get a residents permit.

Hi

Does anyone know... Of the bods who have been recruited over the last few months if any ended up on a different type to what they were originally offered?

Ta muchly

Hi again guys,

Just wondering if anyone can give me a heads up on weather they are actually taking on guys with the min requirements of 2000 hours or are they realisticly looking for guys with more time and experience?

What aircraft are they recruiting for at the moment? The 777? Or do new guys start on the 330 or even the 320?

Thanks for the info in advance!

66

FlyingTin: good guess... unfortunatly: Commuting( like `Bonus` -`pension plan`...)those words are not part of the vocabulary in QR.

Before we used to have the possibility to bid for up to 9 days off in a row..it gave the chance for a lot of guys to go home every month.Now MAX 3 days off,and still...if you ask for days off,they may give you STBY instead!!(wondering if they really do it by purpose or not !!!) (thanks we have PPRUNE to be advice about the degradation of our condition..otherwise nothing published officially in Qr..amazing!).
777 guys are indeed getting upset at least the one who used to go home everymonth, because instead of giving days off to people to travel home,they give them plenty of useless STBY duty...just to make sure people waste their time in Doha...instead of visiting their family.

Roster A-320.....65 hours/120h+ duty per month
...8...days off/month,No specific rule on/off duty .
Night flight/daytime flight....50/50 depends of your luck.
The most frustrating thing on 320 is that sometime you are just tired.. doing nothing (night flight&short in the gulf with a huge amount of unpaid duty)!!:ugh:
Unlike on 777 ,On 320 you are not paid to sleep half of the Duty but half of your Duty is unpaid!!!!

Sounds like a miserable existance - especially if you get the A320 fleet (perhaps not as bad on the 777 or A330/340). Nobody wants to be that tired/stress out all of the time. What is the annual attrition rate (%) at QR? How long is the training bond for?

Training bond usually 3 or 4 years depend on when you join the company. Policy keept changing (Change everytime there is a shift in management) :mad:

bond: new joiners F/O non rated:something like..3 years /50.000U$
S/O :..5 years/50.000U$...
For your upgrade the Bond is..back on track(after being cancelled for a while..):2 years/30.000U$.

HR
 

Hi guys, Anyone kind enough to give me the HR address there in Doha. I have searched the forum and the website and can't find it anywhere. (Emailed application 6 weeks ago and just want to be sure they received it)

Cheers

Also, I think new VISA regulations came into play on 1st May

They did not come into play...they are on hold...

Housing
 

Hi, joining on mid of May, I"ll be looking for a place to stay, what are the options? is it better take QR accommodation or outside?
cheers,

MAHABATEN,

If your joining as an FO then you will not get the choice - it will be company accommodation.

Hiya M!

What fleet are you joining in May, whats your experience?

Hello!

Just one quick question......is it worth it? as F/O is it worth the experience, money, TR and the whole thing?

190@20 :ok:

I'll field this one
 

In answer to "190.2"
QA is truly an "experience". Pay for an FO is good, work rules/schedules can be challenging. Forget about commuting or even taking a mini-holiday on your days off. If you have a flying job, with some level of security; I would not recommend leaving. But, should you find yourself pounding the pavements, in desperate need of work, (i.e. can't pay the bills, feed the kids, etc.), QA is a fine place to work.

190.20.
It ALL depends of you actual situation and what do you want:
-Family &kids(2..3...+) here in Doha: forget about saving money as F/O
(and keep finger crossed hoping your family will "survive" here)
-No Kids or Single: fine you will save some money.
I focus on saving money(because "money is good" doesn't mean anything for me, you have to look at the Big picture!).. indeed if you plan to stay here for a long time Don't forget one think:there is NO pension plan here,so be "careful".

-Experience: good.(you will fly to good and sh.t destinations).
-As mentioned already: the airline is secured but the job Isn't(depending on the "mood of the day" of the little big man..:bored:).

What part of it do you not understand? If you know anything at all about this industry you wouldn't be asking this question... common sense:ugh:

Thanks for your help!

Acoording to my situation I would apply to QA for reasons like:
1. money
2. world class airline
3. flying some big guns

I'm young and single, just want some piece of that cake! So I was just wondering if it was worth leaving my current job flying embraer 190 (which is not bad)

190@20 :ok:

Required Readings
 

"Flying Through Midnight" by John Halliday, based on events 30 some years ago, it will strike a few chords.

190.20

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1. money
2. world class airline
3. flying some big guns

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1 = OK the money is not to bad, but then again it depends on where your coming from. At least it's consistently on time.

2 = World Class Airline from a passenger stand point, Yes I do agree.. other than that.. I have been much better treated in lesser class airlines.

3 = flying big guns ?? other than western educated people most will not know what the h3ll your on about.. you want to fly fighter jets ??
I learned one thing for sure.. bigger is not better (with regards to airliners). It would be so nice to have a narrow body job in a good country with decent pay.. but then again, there is probably a million other people in that queue already. This widebody, Ultra Long Haul flying is not allot of fun.

zerozerouan

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in QR it seems to be that if you do any stupid/unconsciuos/human mistake you may end up being kicked out

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Not to far from the truth (in some cases)... The B777 fleet has not really seen that light of day yet.. but it's coming.. dont be fooled, just look around at the other fleets and consider it lucky that it has not yet consumed this fleet .... yet

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Krunch

Does anybody have information if Qatar is hiring DEC at the moment? Have all the requirements,send several mails plus application via post but no response at all.So just wonder if this is normal,it just takes time due to the possible high number of applications or they have no interest and it is a silent NO.:bored:

Gyday guys
 

I'm a Second Officer with Qantas, applied to Qatar on Jan 10 2010 both via email & post. Havnt heard anything from them since. Have all the magic numbers, over 6000 total time, 1000 on A330 blah balh blah, still heard nothing. Any idea if there is a way to even find out if they got the applications as all attempts to contact them result in no response one way or another.

I hear a rumour a few airlines in Euro collapsed recently & they've been getting guys from there but would at least be nice to know they have recieved the application. Any ideas?

Oh & before anyone asks I dont intend on leaving Qantas & am not crazy, just looking for an opportunity to experience some great flying all over the world with all different crews from different cultures while the window is still open to do so.

Cheers for any help guys much appreciated.

Gyday
 

"Oh & before anyone asks I dont intend on leaving Qantas & am not crazy, just looking for an opportunity to experience some great flying all over the world with all different crews from different cultures while the window is still open to do so."

Lucky guy :}

Can someone post a duty plan for 320.----please.:ok:

Hey Utah,

Looking for a walkabout opportunity? There are plenty of people on this ME forum who would love to swap with you. Plenty of Aussies who constantly complain about the "horrible" conditions in the ME and the tyrannical managements. I suggest you find (very easy to find) these individuals and ask them why they are so very negative on QR, EK and EY and then reconsider. Take some time and review the many posts about life in the ME before you make a jump.

You should consider yourself lucky to be flying for a major airline like QF. You can live in a democracy, fly nice equipment and live among beautiful people. Just think about how difficult it might be to return once you realise the ME is not the place for you. I doubt QF would welcome you back...