@Boeing777ER,

I received pass mail in March this year as a FTSO.
The way I read it, is the same as you. QR will not assess more FTSO's, but will call the ones the holding pool to join at some point.
Basically, everybody in the holding pool will get called to join in the next 12 months.
I have asked this question to some friends flying at QR, what it exactly means for us (FTSO).
But... you never know with QR! Even though they say they have sorted things out with training, etc... but it's not unusual that the training lasts about a year for a FTSO. I hope that will be reduced.
But you never know what's gonna happen next. I understand that what happened with the Spanair guys won't happen again... but if another company goes bust with rated A320 people... do I need to say more?
Anyway... hope to see you all in Doha soon!
Cheers,
cccc

Hi nicab,

I am a Captain in the pool, and I have not yet received my November update. Interview first week of May 2012, good news and pool email end of June 2012.

Qatar is advertising(recruiting) for DEC A330/A340 and DEC B777. Hopefully all you DEC's in the pool will get a contract/ DOJ soon.

I am still confuse about the FTSO requirement for the next 12 months. You can play "devils advocate" and come up with a lot of different answers.

SO's
 

There are 100+ SO's still on hold over there. Some did their TQ's but didnt do a single flight yet. I know of some guys that are back in their home country waiting to be called for linetraining. That is the situation at the moment. How long will it clear to take that backlog? No one knows.

FTSO tricky sentence.
 

Reading the sentences once again, I think that they are referring to the possibility of assesing more FTSO... but the ones that are holding will obtain its DOJ next year.

Once again , I cant see the point in which they decide not hiring any FTSO else with the big expansion is planned for the coming year.

Hope see you all in Doha soon!!:ok:

Still waiting
 

Hi guys.

I did my interview in Sept 10th, and still waiting for any feedback, out of 4, two has the pool email but the other two still waiting after 3 months and 2 weeks, i´m still so tense, if at least I can swim a bit in the pool i will be much more happy this Xmas....

Anyone in this situation as well???

Merry Xmas to all and happy new year....

@migair

Sept interview for FO same boat...

FTSO & NTSO
 

In 2013 it is very unlikely to start as a Second Officer. Qatar Airways can only offer their own Students a SO job. Externally recruited personnel (SO) do not get a job offer this year. There is a little chance to get a job in the second half of 2013 but that is on a merit basis from the Talent Pool.

This information came directly from Qatar Airways recruitment.

Best wishes for 2013!

Hello All Swimmers.......here is part of an email sent to a friend of mine who has a job offer within Qatar (not flightdeck) and asked about my position....(which is fast track second officer- interview April.....pool news Aug 2012). I too was confused about the Nov update so here is the reply from within (albeit not directly flightdeck recruitment) when my friend asked about my position and queried the wording of the Nov update. It was sent this morning. It has obvious bias towards FTSO as this is my postion.



"As you know I am not responsible for Flight Deck recruitment however I have checked with my colleagues to clarify the message in this email. What we are saying is that the Talent Pool for Fast Track Second Officers will not be increased i.e. so we will not be recruiting additional people into this pool. This differs from other categories of talent where we may need to continue recruiting in addition to the existing talent pool. The issue we have is that our requirements continuously fluctuate across the categories which is why we have not given definite. All in all I believe it is positive as we are progressing to onboard the people within our talent pool albeit at different rates depending on the category."

Good News this morning 2 months 23 days after F/O assessment. Talent Pool update in February.

@Comm
 

I also tried to clarify the message.
Yesterday I got bad news.

'We are not able to employ Second Officers other than graduates of Qatar Aviation College in 2013'.

This message concerns all NTSO's.

Regarding FTSO's, this is what I heard: A limited amount of them MAY be required after June 2012, these will be taken out of the pool.

Goodluck.

Asked before and never got an answer.......

I have a Feb joining date. What are the temporary living arrangement that are being provided. Is it the Oryx hotel or some other place?

Thanks in advance!!!

@ Jean Paule,

And what about NTSO that got offer letters recently then ?

Does anybody have an idea how much FTSO's there are in the pool?

@jean Paul
 

Could you be so kind to copy the whole email???
Please, dont be so negative.
I'm sure everybody will be called.

Yeah, and we live in pink pony wonderland.
I "heard" similar rumours via phonecalls.

The question is - will we (NTSO) be taken completely out of the recruitment process and have to reapply for 2014 or will we be kept on hold until there is the requirement. Will there be any reassesment in/for 2014 (Heeeellllloooo agelimit!)?

Easy way for QR to get rid of many people in the pool - just keep them on hold and wait for the agelimit to kick in. Problem solved.

Another important question could be: Why send a talent pool update for February to the NTSO if they didnt require any for 2013 anyways?
Options for the answer would be:

1) They need NTSO for 2013

2a) They dont need NTSO for 2013 - they just were to lazy to write an extra email for every application group (NTSO, FTSO, FO, DEC...)

2b) They dont need NTSO for 2013 - someone just decided otherwise

2c) They dont need NTSO for 2013 - they are going to keep us in the pool in case they might need some anyways

2d) They dont need NTSO for 2013 - they forgot to tell us earlier

2e) They dont need NTSO for 2013 - they want to get rid of a big part of the pool (reassessment, age limit, inability to reapply) because they noticed that they interviewed way more people than they will actually need but would never admit it.


Any detailed information upon the issue would be very helpful.

If that is true then they are treating us like a waste deposit.

Thinking twice if you really want to work for a company that treats its applicatants that way. Usually companies show their best picture to the outside world. Now imagine how they treat their employees if they already treat us like the residuum of a sink.

Sending us an exclusion of the recruitment for no reason almost equals a termination of a job because one got fired.

The office is closed on Friday/Saturdays, and Sundays usually things get rolling, so I expect bad news to arrive around Christmas.

Not only people in the ME expect us to respect their culture, but much rather they are kicking ours with their feet. Of course only if they notice us next week. But I werent surprised if they did.

And then the company wonders why so many people jumpship or try to get to the other side of the lake to EY or EK. Things probably wont be much better there. But at least a bit. AAB knows he can treat people like waste and still they keep applying. Lets how long in the future that will go on.

@Tritzo
 

Definetly option 2A

And maybe a blend of all the others.
There seems to be no uniformity as to what is being told to applicants. One recruiter could say: 'wait till feb for news' another 'you will get called in due time' and the one i corresponded with told me 'We are not able to employ recruited Second officers (cadets) other than graduates of the Qatar aviation college in 2013'

The reason why they keep us in the Pool? No idea, maybe they need us in 2014?! Please also note that this concerns Normal Second offficers, not FTSO's. From what I HEARD a limited amount of FTSO's May still be needed but only in the second half of 2013.

FTNTFOSO whatever
 

Hi Guys,

Could please explain me the differences between those group. NTSO, FTSO, FO ? Is it only related to the amount of hours or type rating hold by applicant ?
In my email, they stated F/O but I heard you would start as SO anyway...

By the way, It's a few weeks already I've been applying in other companies but without Boeing or Airbus rating, life is difficult for applicants even with more than 5000 Hrs...:bored:

So yes keep calm but it's time to move on slowly and forget about it... My own point of view of course.

SO's
 

If they want to employ only their national SO's, they are in their right.
But they should employ all the ones swimming to clean up the pool and, from that momment on, call only the Qatari's.

@Jeanpaul.
 

Could you confirm that what QA recruitment told you was only for NTSO??
I Mean...did they tell you literally "this only apply for NTSO , not for FTSO???

In any way,next year I think almost everybody will be needed with the opening of the NDIA.

Thanks a lot.

Its considered to be common if the pool - as you said - is being updated and the pilots kept motivated.

Well... Considering the 20000 different answers one gets when asking someone at HR, the feedback some of us got and information that reaches us, none of the above mentioned is achieved.

If there were clear goals stated as how many pilots QR needs of each category for 2013, the intentions with the pool and official statements that are not ambigous, then we'd come closer to that. Shouldnt the HR provide as precise information that it leaves no room for interpretation? For the benefit of everyone - the HR because they dont get written to and called every other day and the pilots that know what they are at.

To be honest - I dont know where Im at with QR. I wish I knew, so I could join soon. But that is wishful thinking according to the information at hand.

Any Pool F/O's out there?
 

I can understand why the vast majority of posts are from S/O's as they probably have the most riding on their Qatar application. And I DO NOT agree with the way you are being treated.
My Question is for any F/O's in the pool. 777 F/O's to be precise. Many of you are A320 F/O's but have any of you who are in the pool for longhaul F/O's been given contracts/DOJ or any 'November' update yet?
I was interviewed May 12
Good news about Aug 12
Nothing since

lecm - ive heard about the same last november already... so of course im a bit angry with the way they treat us. and yes - they said on multiple occasions that i will have my doj latest on march.

thats why i dont trust any mail they just send us - ive lived there... many decisions change the system over night. i believe that i am working with qr only when i am checked out as a fo.

and you have to admit that all the emails being sent to us are very ambiguous.
how come i have to rely on newspapers to tell me that qr has ordered another few 787 or 330f?
the recruitment department should clarify it with precise numbers. of course without the fluctuation of people that might go or jumpship.

or can you tell me the exact figure of how many people are in the pool?

dedicated thread
 

Hi

Suggest one of the swimmers start a dedicated thread about updtes etc

a la "ek hold pool"

That would allow wannabee swimmers like myself to be able to get more infos about the interview and other related issues on this thread.

and please some recent interview feedback would be much appreciated

cheers

about all the different replies people got whet they could reach qr
it reminds me of a game where one person whispers a message to someone and he whispers it to the next and so on and what the last person heard was always completely different from what the first one told.

i think there are only a few people in doha who exactly know what they are going to do with us and unfortunately they aren't the ones communicating with us

@JeanPaul and Tritzo
 

I think you are still in the run to be hire but still risky to wait. There are probably people in the HR for whom foreign NTSO are not so welcome. The information I received and the one you received, are partially true. Why? Because I’m not 100% sure that all NTSO hired so fast in 2011 and 2012 had family connection and I’m not sure that when the NDIA will open they will supply NTSO only with Qatari’s college graduates. Too many aircrafts ordered.But in the mean time, it is sure that Qatari’s and those with familiy connections will be put automatically ahead of you.

Here is how I see their recruitement scheme:

First step=> There are people in charge to call applicants for the interview.You’ve been called.

Second step=> You passed or you failed your interview. If you failed, things go fast for you as you received the bad new e-mail.

Third Step=> All applicants who passed are sent to a kind of validation desk. Then from here, there are two categories after the screening.

Category 1: Those declared suitable = Good news e-mail+ Pool mail+Updates e-mails and will be sent to the next validation desk for employability screening when it is require by the demand.

Category 2: Those declared not suitable(for political reason probably)= No news and blackout.Your file will be lost until you disappear by your own or they found a good reason to not hire you or there is the miracle of a so high demand that they have to put you in Category 1.

Fourth Step=>The employability desk require new files so yours is sent. Then from here two categories after the screening.

Category 1: Those declared suitable= Green light for you, you’ll have the next training slot available.

Category 2:Those declared not suitable = Red light for you, they find something wrong on you (Security check,falsification or something) Then you receive an e-mail stating they can’t proceed further with your application.

Am I far from the reality?

That sums it up quite well... I know from first hand that my application is allright but also there have been NTSO pulled infront of me, that had more hours (though the same category) or as you mentioned just being local.

Of course I still hope things are moving for us, but the best would be a webpage, where you can see a number+name on a list of the specific category (NTSO, FTSO, FO, DEC) and a general timetable with the typerating/standardization courses planned for each category. So whenever a batch finishes, your number moves up and soforth.

Any nationals will always be listed on top of that of course but to have a general overview of your situation I think this came in handy.

Wow, you haven't even joined QR and you're already debating/deciding what is going on behind the scenes and how they could improve things. They should hire you based on these characteristics alone, you would be a perfect fit.

i dont wanna change/improve anything. i just wanna know whats happening as there are still important decisions that have to be made upon their notice/trust whatever.

that those decisions dont correlate with aviation anymore, i have learned so far. but concerning yet another move to the middle east is something that i cannot overlook.

All been said before.
 

Lol, wow, not much changed here. Due to messages i got here is your info.
You were all told about this so you all have no reason to moan.

NTSO will basically not be hired. You are generally not needed. They have a school and now a ctc thing to trickle in NTSOs. Why you are all Banking on this is beyond logic. Maybe ifyou just continue with ur career and if u get a call then all good and well, but i would not hold your breath and "hope/swim" for qr :ugh:

FTSOs will basically stop for the near year. It's a failed prospect in their eyes. But whats new, qR dont put huge amounts of thought into many things so they assumed that the training would be quick but since its not then they view extra sectors as a liability. If ur inhold pool, you will prob get a start but not until closer to mid year, if at all? Have a plan B and act on it.

For those FTSOs already here, i think that ur training "may" pick up in feb 2013 inshallah! They still have untrained FTSOs from mar/apr2012!

DECs and FOS are the priority, and ive mentioned that ad naseum!!! You may still have to wait a little while they try to figure out how to clear the backlog of guys already here. In sayingthat they are overstepping alltypes of SOs here generally.

Start dates are still being handed out. But as said previously, its trickle hiring at the moment.

Because they have interviewed u does not mean your automatically in! Especially if your an NTSO! :ugh:
If you get asked for reinterview then thats the way it is. And it seems to be a good chance of that happening for some. Also it will be a different hiring process so no walk in the park if it happens. And based on the previous hiring/fail rates it may be needed??

Could, should, would...... They should do alot of things, but they cannot even add fleet type and date of join to the seniority list! Why, because they do not want you to know! Why? Because it keeps you guessing and it hides alotof stupidity such as favoritism for fleet changes to those who dont deserve it ,incompetence,, sackings and resignation rates. So as someone said eairlier, put a list of those waiting in the hold! LOL they struggle to organise training let alone look afterthose not in company yet!!!

Get used to it, this is the level of respect you get, sadly. If you cant handle it now, youwill lose it when you get here! :ugh:

In saying that Its ok here half the time and frustrating as hell the other half! My advice is to come here and stay for a month if you can and see if it is really worth it.

NTSO
 

I can confirm first hand.

'We are not able to offer employment to Second officers other than sponsored graduates of the Qatar aeronautical college.

A small amount of Fast Track second officers MAY be needed in the second half of 2013..

Kinda strange though ntso's have a huge bond for 5 years. Quite a good deal for QR you would think since they cant leave. i hear a lot of diff things but this came from a manager in recruitment.

Things change a lot over there so my hope hasnt faded. I know of a guy on the forum: ITO. Did his assesment jan 2012. Passed the age limit (30) file got closed (NTSO) the guy probably did everything he could to turn the tide. The result: he was put back on track and received the offer of
Employment a little while ago.

Dont lose hope..

@jean Paul

Is strange because the news that i have also for recruitment is that everybody will receive its DOJ.
In other hand, i have a friend that works in the national qatari school and he has told me that there isn't enough sponsoriced students in order to feed QR.

I cant also understand what is the problem with the FTSO. they only have to do a few sectors more than a FO.

I think we have to be positives, indeed.

Hello guys,

Just like somebody said on another thread...

:D

disagreeable,

I'm not quiet sure where did you get your information from, but one thing I'm sure of is that it's all not so accurate! Especially what you said about NTSO,s!

Everybody with an offer letter will definitely get his DOJ. Everybody who has been put in the talent pool will receive an offer letter according to priority and operational requirements. FULL STOP! Confirmed by various sources inside QR.

Relax guys.. Your turn is coming up...just hang on!

Good luck everybody:D

@777-aviator
you said :
Everybody with an offer letter will definitely get his DOJ. Everybody who has been put in the talent pool will receive an offer letter according to priority and operational requirements. FULL STOP! Confirmed by various sources inside QR.

thanks for the info but could you be more specific please ? who are they ? did you talk to them by phone , email ? and when did they say that ?

ITO was an ex QR cabin crew member! I think the QR House finally detected that they know him well.Good for him:ok: his situation was a hot one

supersonic75,

Got that from people in the HR/Recruitment. I'm already working here at QR and I have talked to them in person about a week ago.
Apologies for not being able to give names though.

@777-aviator

Thanks alot man :) .. if they told you that just a week ago then its really great . could you please keep posting any info you get from them in the future ? as you know , we ( the swimmers ) have no contact with QR and have no idea about anything :(
Thanks again.

Joining B777 fleet query.
 

Hi! Heard from a former colleague that when he joined QR, he completed his B777 training with BA at LHR up to LST. Then a trainer from QR came to do another 9 Sim' sessions with them. Is this just for the licensing for the Qatar aviation authorities?

Cheers in advance.

DO