It seriously has been deleted, I thought that was a joke.

Nothing really concerning in there as far as I remember, so why delete it?
Also the QR Talent Pool thread is closed.

Oh and when I see how QR is treating FTSO...do YOU remember what you said?

plus I know very experienced guys on heavy turboprops who ended as SO's in CX...excuse me Disagreeable, but your statement above make me laugh a bit, it doesn't work like that at all:=, better to escape this industry you should say.

RK303, WTF are you talking about? Your boring me and probably many others on this thread.

If you are going to quote me from last year/early year then at least put it in context. If you are silly enough to wait without applying for other work the thats your problem.... thats what "if at all" "plan B" means.

Things change here at a whim. So, when that was posted that was shaping up to be the case. Clearly you are an armchair QR expert, so I will leave you to your opinions.

+1 :ok:

@Jeanpaul172

In my case i dind´t get the second email, but 1 pilot working here with me had, asking for an update of the flying hours and date of last sim check and last flight.


i have been following the progress of the qatar training for long time, and one think i have seen is that they are quite unpredictable, so they are saying now no FTSO for 2013 and in April or May they will call as much as they can get because they don´t have people for the summer schedule...

Wait and see.... heheheheheh

another extra waiting time ??
 

Dear swimmers , please read this :

Bahrain Air has halted all flights and will liquidate its assets, according to USA Today.
The privately owned airline that launched in 2008 offered 105-110 regional flights to 18 destinations in the Middle East and Asia.
Since establishing themselves as a low-cost option and then changing into a full-service airline, in 2010, they hit a financial wall, leaving them no choice, but to declare bankruptcy.
They also employed about 300 people, according to USA Today, who will now have to find other jobs to support themselves and their families.

Guess who is coming to QR now ?? type rated A320 pilots (current & experience) against you , poor swimmers ?? if you think QR will prefer you...well ....just think again :(

@Disagreeable
 

No worry I’ll stop disturb you. I’m not talking about me here because I recovered from what dragged my life dangerously: Aviation. So let me just resume what I was trying to say and stop there.

If you as a pilot, fully aware of the reality of your market, you should warn all those young guys to seek other kind of job than to become a pilot to accomplish their life positively. Because you know that very few will survive.
No false hopes, no false speechs like “go seek a pilot job elsewhere” to help them move on when in the mean time they are able to do something else more useful.over

PilotofDoha, if you read carefully, you will actually see that some of the people physically were in the office.

I also have talked to several people in the office(s), and I have the mobile numbers of the Senior Recruitment Management (and no, sorry I cannot hand those over, otherwise theyll go crazy getting 300 calls from talent pool people, not even via pm). All information I got has been stated already.

I have many friends flying with Qatar and they all tell me similar.

Also, unless youre local or very lucky/have good connections (relatives preferably), they wont call you as NTSO so far. I know it has nothing to do with my results and documentation. Results were very good and documentation is all complete/green.

Fact is, if you got no hours and no type rating, youre absolute bottomlist priority, as QR now has contracts with CTC and also their own flight school since ages.

If you have hours and no type rating, you are still not preferred as you will most likely end up as NTSO or NTFO (depending on your flight experience).

As stated before. There are people with a few thousand hours on turboprops (e.g. ATR, Dash8...) that have -appart from the hours- the same priority as you, speaking NTSO. And some of those turboprops are sometimes harder to fly than some jets as they hang inside the weather all the time, while jets just overfly them. Still - NTSO.
So who would you hire as company? Someone who just came out of flight school with 0 experience or someone who knows every day procedural knowledge within aviation?

As others have said. If you can afford sitting around waiting for QR to come and gamble while daddy pays your bills, go ahead. To be honest, I cant afford to wait longer. Ive waited for appx. 15 months now and every news I get are worse.
Contract coming
Contract delayed
Contract delayed further
SO recruitment on hold
Talent pool instead
Talent pool - maybe reconsider your choice
Talent pool - seizing hiring of SO

Awaiting "End of February" update which will either tell me:
(times are estimates)

A - you will be hired, training starts April
B - you will be hired, training starts November
C - you will get an update in April
D - you will have to do a reassesment because the application took too long
E - No SO hiring in 2013 anymore


In my case, I will wait for QR until May latest, after that I will go for another fix offer I got. I will not bail another offer because of qatar anymore. It happend before and I openly regret it. The chance was one time only.


If you have another possibility though, dont hesitate.

Dohapilot, maybe some people prefer using facts or arguments over quotes from their holy book or just saying inshallah...

@PilotofDoha / @Tritzo
 

PilotofDoha, Did you go in to the office and ask them? You live in Qatar so I guess you're the right man for the job ;). And if you did, can you please share your knowledge with us? :ok:

Tritzo,
Don't forget option F, the option I fear and unfortunatly expect the most for those of us NTSO's waiting for more than a year: 'We are not able to proceed further with your application, thank you for your interest in Qatar Aiways and goodluck with your further carreer'.

disagreeabe
 

Disagreeable, a while back you clearly stated that you were done posting on this thread, but looks like that wasn't the case. When and where do you find the time to be so active on a forum with the kind of roster that QR has? What gives my friend?

What gives my friend?
Could be...Continual Jet lag combined with high stress and lack of a varied lifestyle becoming too close and too involved in a unrewarding job in a hostile country whilst being overly concerned for others who do not really give a damn about you....
Ignorant uneducated and innocent abroad chaps like me did it years ago...you tend to slightly grow out of it as you age but it is essentially in your DNA to care for others
and there is presently no vaccination I know of available against it.:ok:

Rk303,
Qatar Airways is such a respectable airline....., that recently They (QR) were forced to call the Etihadairways recruitment department ,to please them to put a cap on the number of QR pilots they interview each month!!
I "love" the way QR is always trying to solve issues....
Whaaat to do....

PilotofDoha
 

PilotofDoha

Thank you very much for the good news, i´m sure that more than one will PM you even if you said not to do :ok:. I hope mine is one of that contracts :}, however i won´t be that lucky because I know some people has been in the pool longer than me:ugh:.

According to a friend inside Qatar that went the other day to the office, he was told that "thanks" to the grounding of the B787´s some A320 instructors that were just upgrade to the Nightmareliner are back in Sim so other A320 instructors are free to fly on the line as much as possible and train people, so this will help to speed up a bit the pool and specially some captains that they need to check out asap.

Now also i´m sure they will get some people from Bahrain Air, that just stop operation, and that´s an easy place to pick up some experience pilots, specially DEC.

Regards.

PilotofDoha
 

These NTSO contract will probably be for Qatari nationals who have followed the sponsored course through the National flight academy.
They told me and others, No SO's anymore in 2013. This was also confirmed by numerous NTSO's in Qatar at the moment.

Once again you harrass.

All I can say, is my efforts behind the scenes have helped many here and that you will never give credit or even know, because if revealed, im revealed. I dont need recognition, I just want to rattle your cage to the reality of being here, otherwise all your going to get is golden goose egg talk from inexp wannabe's (nothing is wrong with being motivated/excited but too much of it is unhealthy)

If you dont like what I say (and I admit its harsh at times), your entitled to that, but PilotofDoha and Datdude bare in mind Doha and Qatar Airways is a small place , so you better think twice about the insults and harrasment you give. :eek:

@datdude and PilotofDoha:
before you openly criticise...... Please read below.
Thanks 40&80 :ok: (I added the parenthesis for those that may be lacking in english or understanding), ..... some inexp.pilots take alot for granted, sadly.


Correct.
All the "friends" reports of no hiring of SO's from holdpool for 2013 are mostly correct and have been what I have been saying.
Some capts come back from 787 to train, but will not help holdpool applicants much at all (not sure how that conclusion came about). It may help those waiting here 130+!
Still some trickle hiring of DEC/FO's throughout, mostly DEC's.

I'm not in the talent pool, I've been here for about 7 months now and training has gone on par with a lot of other people already mentioned on this thread. Yes I am lucky I am in, I think it will be a great job when the training is out of the way, patience. A lot of it is required.
Regarding the hold pool. You have done a lot of work for the interview and well done on passing, seriously congratulations, no sarcasm at all. It shows that you put in a serious amount of effort into securing a fantastic opportunity, it is just unfortunate circumstances that have hindered your career progression.
Passing the Qatar selection should give you a great boost for your confidence. If it comes to the situation that you have to look for alternative employment, you know you'll probably have a very good shout at another opportunity in the knowledge you are good enough for Qatar, it's just unfortunate they couldn't accommodate you at this point. Their loss. Another airlines gain.
I know you won't want to hear it, but Qatar isn't, hasn't and won't be the last airline in the world to let down people in hold pools. Please remember the guys and girls who tried their luck with BA, that golden ticket to have an amazing moustache, an English accent belonging to not one English county and by deed pole change your name to Nigel. Not saying it's right, it isn't in the slightest, but it is the nature of the beast. Aviation is brutal, when it goes your way it is the best high, when it doesn't there isn't much back up. Good luck to everyone in the talent pool, genuinely, I hope you all find alternative solutions somewhere soon (or Qatar call you, naturally!) Flying or not, pay the bills, keep the wife happy and if you can afford to, kick the nuts off an aerobat and have some fun, life is for living not waiting.

@charliejulietthotel
 

Well said:D:ok:

@ Disagreeable et al
 

I for one appreciate the time and effort you put into keeping us all informed with the latest in QA.

The information provided by Disagreeable has answered many of my questions and put my mind at ease knowing where I stand in the talent pool. It's not his fault if you don't like what he has to say. It's better you find out now before you pack up everything and make the move to a middle eastern country thinking everything in life will be perfect from here on. He is telling you what he can regarding the thread topic "Joining Qatar Airways - All you need to know"

Can someone confirm the companies requirements from the talent pool in 2013:

DEC - Ongoing??
DEFO - A few start dates here and there but main requirement for DEFOs will be late 2013??
NTSO/FTSO - No requirement in 2013??

Although things could, and do, change.

I've only just joined here so pls forgive me. After the assessment I had a verbal confirmation I was in the talent pool. How to take things from here onwards? (Ntfo) What should be the next step?

qatar dec housing
 

hallo folks,
could anyone answer these questions :
1) qatar is providing housing or giving money
to the dec hired in this period??
2)details about the medical insurance ??


tks


ps i know they are interviewing dec this time...don't know if they are hiring dec

If you don't like palm tree's and sandy beaches here, you can try the palm tree's and sandy beaches in Fiji.

A few commanders from Doha and EK have gone their recently.

Not much pay though, A330 Check Captain- $8K AUD per month, no super or any other paid benefits and no sick leave or annual leave. :sad:

Disagreeable
 

Disagreeable, please point to a single word or sentence from my short two sentence post that you think insults, harrasses or criticizes you as you imply from the highlighted excerpts below. Your response to my otherwise harmless post was unexpected and I can in all honesty say it was meant in jest but it's apparent comedy is not my strongest suit.
I am mostly a silent observer on these forums and I enjoy the read over putting my feelings and opinions forth. With that said, I will revert to my preferred method of participation or lack there of. Fly safe fellas and always keep the shiny side up.

Having read and followed the posts of Disagreeable, I can't do anything else then agree with most things he says. However, I also find it impressive where and how he finds the time to be so active on this forum as a current member of the QR flightdeck team. I have lost contact with quite a bunch of guys that are so extremely busy out there that even a Skype call with the family has to be planned weeks in front.

Someone who heard something about the (cadet) pilot programme between QR and CTC?

Ah Mastema, I see you have moved from the DG & P forum to this one to vent again about the T & C's of FJ ( inaccurate as they are ):=

Looks like the rumor around the karva hut is correct.

Sour Grapes:{:{

No sour grapes and no axe to grind, just stating facts from the IAC website.

I suspect that Jaba might be a mod nowadays because everytime FIJI is mentioned the post is immediately deleted.

Anyway, Inshallah

Captain.weird,

Not sure about their contract with CTC, but seems like CTC have a contract with my roster lately.
It's all I been seeing the past few months.. :E

Hi guys, just to share one of my day with you. Something you could be interested in if you want to join. It's only my opinion of course, you need to make your own.

The other day I went to the office for my flight, I always arrive in the room 2 hours before the ETD. The official reporting time is 1h15min before. This time I couldn't find easily a parking spot and did two times the full cycle (not just in front of Hardees, all the way back to the Mc Donalds and return to the parking behind the Hardees, the loop inside and then the technical building...). Two times! Usually I always find in the first minutes. This time I found on the third attempt in front of Hardees and it took me exactly 35min more than usual (you start to feel them when you lose your margin) and I was quick.

Then I tried to maintain the only printer available and failed. When someone could have a look and couldn't manage as well, he declared her U/S. I had hope because it partially worked so I wasted more time than I usually would have. 20 minutes to get my documents printed and I didn't take a break.

Luckily we were parked in the stand A and were in the aircraft 45min before, on time, we didn't have to rush any procedure. Considering the time to go there through the immigration and the security (which is simplified to the maximum here) and find a bus; you have a good idea of the time we had to check about the notams, TAF, flight plan, etc..
And if we both came 1h15min before...


Is QR responsible about the traffic jam and lack of space available? No.
However they didn't take any measure to try to solve this problem, like in Asia where the companies organise a pick up for the pilots. They don't do it for the same reasons that they don't hire more people to print the flight plans. Saving at any cost as the British say... even if you lose money on this (in my opinion, when I see how many pilots leave every year).

Am I trying to start a union and saying that I shouldn't have to print my own flight plan? No I have no problem to do that, even changing the toner and charging the paper tray of the printer. If my contract says that it is my job as a pilot, then so be it.


I am just saying: sometimes I spend much more time with such kind of things than actually preparing my flight and I don't think it is safe. I don't think it should be like that in a five star airline.

GNCY
 

hello mate...

I think they are not investing to solve things like the parking because they still think NDIA is about to open... :}

However it´s a shame this you are telling about the printing of the documents and all... but I with I could have this problems and not the really serious and sometimes dangerous problems i have where i´m flying...

@Disagreeable...

Thank you for taking your time to write here and keep giving us updates, even if the news you give us are not always good...

Sure, you are absolutely right. Printer problems is nothing compared to what you can see in some part of the world.
I flew myself in some of these places and I don't forget where do I come from.

I just want the company to keep this higher standard.
And I have, and will always have,:) the silly idea that saying the truth can improve the situation. If pilots agree about the fact that we should have the time to prepare our flight, and if one day they belong to the management of this company, maybe they will want to do something about it.

I am not saying that the ones in charge now don't do anything. I also want them to know that I am not the only one to think like that. I don't have the feeling this is a place where you can freely report a problem, the non-blaming policy looks good on the paper but... Internet seems to be a way.

Hell, if everybody always say that everything is fine (like in this interview after the first six months of flights), well without the ballbreakers like me the new office might be exactly the same.;)

Aptitude test
 

Does anybody have any information as to what is involved in the aptitude test on day 1 of assessment? How best to prepare or practice ?
I have lots of information about about the sim and tech exam and interview but nothing about the aptitude test.
Cheers
:ugh:

Gncy,

the 5 stars rating you mentioned is not related to cockpit crew service but to first and business class passenger service..only.!:rolleyes:
Ek is not a five stars airline but they do provide transportation for crew....
( If I can compare QR and EK..):rolleyes:
But I do agree if Qr can not provide adequate parking for crew to come to work, then they have to provide transportation.

What have the T's & C's of a contract job with Air Pacific in Fiji have to do with Joining Qatar Airways?

Was thinking the same thing.. If u wanna moan like little kids (read professional pilots) then take it to pm's please...

Have heard that R.N. has resigned (again) from QR...
Rumor or reality..?

Aptitude tests
 

No answer from my last post so Il try again. Has anybody taken the aptitude tests for QR selection?
Are the results of the aptitude tests taken in isolation to decide if candidates get through to the next stage eg company interview, tech exam and sim?
Anybody who has been through the process recently who has any info - it would be appreciated.

there is only a written test 50 questions multiply choice pass that interview pass that sim thats how it was for me direct entry FO

Any word on DOJ for Non type Direct entry F/O for A320

Aptitude tests
 

The aptitude test has only just been introduced, for new joiners and existing pilots upgrading or being considered for training. I've not met anyone who has done it yet.

The new aptitude testing is being run by a UK company called Symbiotics LTD and will apply to all new joiners, fleet transfers, command upgrades and poeple joining the training dept.

It seems to consist of an 'on line' personality question test (about 250 of them) followed by a non technical panel interview and then a computer based assessment.

The interview is about how you got into flying/general career questions followed by questions based around a senario that you will have been provided with at a prior date.

The computer based tests are, verbal reasoning, maths, sequence and shape recognition and finally a pseudo flight.

It all takes about 4 hours.

Thats all info that I have and it may not be entirely accurate as it is all so new.

PL