Talent pool update = big bull****!
This feels like being treated as the garbage in a dumpyard.

Why did you guys apply under SO ? Is it because of less flight hours .

The official update for second officers also arrived after the first email.

"At this stage, the manpower plan for 2013/14 does not indicate a requirement for direct entry Second Officers, outside those already in a cadet pilot sponsorship program with Qatar Airways."

The thing is, there are no other pilot jobs for people just out of the school.
No para-ops, no glider towing, no crop flying, almost no instructor flying (at least without experience not). Not even dispatcher or ramp agent jobs around at the moment. Abroad they only hire nationals and don't encourage foreigners to join either. So else than Qatar Airways, which currently does not give any support for us at all, thats about it with the jobs for us out there.
Even Africa Cessna Ops require 500 hrs.

I assume that the second email is for NTSO's. I am a FTSO and did not received a second update. I think its because of the MPL deal with CTC, and also its going to be years before the A320(neo) and A350's arrive.

Well, it would make sense to first take people out of the talent pool before taking CTC graduates. Then, if you require more people, you have a constant flow of CTC students which are on call and pretrained (by the way, they also have a holding pool themselves and are on call, just not for one airline).

Why invite NTSO for an assessment in the first place if youre not going to hire them?

This whole thing sounds like that Second Officers are mainly not required anymore and that screening them was a huge mistake.

Just be more open to the applicants..

When will this MPL scheme be opened?

done with qatar
 

I am done with Qatar Airways and the way they threat people. World's 5 star airline, whatever! They kept me on a line for about 1,5 years just to send me an e-mail that they just don't need me anymore. For me, never Qatar anymore!

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I don't know what to think anymore. I didn't receive any update, nor a DOJ, while it says there is no NTSO for this year. They don't answer e-mail when you send them either. Again, it's confusion time...

@ITO. Have you already received a formal offer?

Yes I did.

Geez, your always being negative Disagreeable.... LOL

wow, isnt this what I have been trying to tell you guys!

Sorry to say, but this has been pre-warned to you guys for a fair while now;

You all are in an annoying situation, but sitting around and waiting for QR is only of benefit if you are ACTIVELY looking/persuing other flying jobs.

Yes, you may not have large amounts of experience, but like I ad others have mentioned before, its about starting small and building up the career, not just getting a golden goat jet job.... that goes for guys under 2000 - 3000 hours.! If your lucky and it fits, take it, if you just sit around and BS yourselves about "being positive", "praying to god" or simply just singing the praises in the hopes of sucking up to somebody in QR to give you something, then you are simply not being confident enough to walk away from the offer and look/make your own luck to speak.
I know, financial crisis etc, but you can manage to sit around waiting for QR, you can also put that into other efforts that will actually build your career. I know many of you are doing that and to them, best of luck!
However, if you are expecting an easy ride through aviation, you just learned a valuable lesson....... unless your offer has a starting date on it, you have signed it and are there on day one, then aviation is simply always going to be a gamble..... welcome....... I suggest the low houred guys (especially) read this book:
FATE IS THE HUNTER......

Good luck.

There is more out there than this place (and the many that leave should have given you the hint)..... one day QR will learn that, but they will learn it quicker if you dont sell your soul standing in line ignoring life and other opportunities waiting for this dusty opportunity.......... then QR may actually be motivated to truely lift its 2 star crew treatment to 5 star.... :ugh:

Right on spot disagreeable.!:D

OMG…what a disaster…all those updates NTSOs received were a joke?

The question remain, why QR did interview so many NTSO? However not such a bad new, at least you guys been delivered from another 2 years waiting game. Now people may move on. Oh and… avoid aviation for now …pilots are just suffering too much at this time…

So they sent 2 different email to the people in the pool???

In my email the don´t say anything about the FTSO, but they say this.


This update does not differ dramatically from the previous one, as we continue to employ pilots from the talent pool to meet our manpower requirements for 2013/14. To give you some indication of our hiring trends for the coming 12 months, we now have a small requirement for narrow body Captains throughout the year, along with some limited narrow body First Officer requirements toward the end of the year. We have a continuing need for wide body Captains and there could also be a limited requirement for Fast Track Second Officers on our wide body fleet toward the end of the year. It remains our intention to draw the majority of these requirements from the existing talent pool members wherever this is possible.
Our next update will be sent to you in May 2013 and I hope that many of you will begin to receive joining dates for this year between now and then.

Let´s see if it´s true that they start giving DOJ between now and May.

migair54
 

That is the email that everybody recieved. The NTSO got an extra email telling what somebody already wrote before here.

NTSO
 

Indeed, all NTSO´s got a second e-mail which basicly told them:

'Thank you for waiting more than a year, but now it's time for you to move on. Bye bye'

A huge disappointment for those NTSO waiting for the 'Golden Goat'. But.. believe it or not, I actually feel relieved that I now finally can move on.
Goodluck:ok:

Instrument rating
 

Hi

All the candidates who are selected for NTSO & FTSO and are waiting in the pool, do you guys have to keep your instrument rating current?
If yes then the hole in the pocket will keep getting bigger in lieu with the recent updates:confused:

stealth89, if you are serious with that question and also passed the qr selection, then it is no wonder that they abandon so many talent pool ntso.

Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
 

Hello swimmers euhh Sinkers ! Yes QA want you guys to have a Valid IR upon joining with min of 6 months validity, but doesn't mean they wont call you ! Anyway no more NTSO unless you have some big balls in here. I have surrendered after a long long wait, now its time to move on guys ! I know lots of ppl who passed the assessment after me and got their offer letters in DEC and FEB, why ? Because DADDY is a well connected captain at QA etc etc , Good luck to all of us...

QR accepts ICAO licenses such as FAA. there are no expiries.

@stealth89
 

What happened here is probably something terrible for some

My “cheaper” ICAO licence cost me a lot and been a complete loss but I remember many guys of my group did the mistake to get those expensive JAA licences. Some of them did renew their IR (due to a one year validity or something) while receiving all those fake updates to stay ready. I can’t imagine their terrible situation if they don’t find a decent flying job out there.

What would you guys reckon the number of FTSO's in the pool is?

I think about half of everybody in the pool is FTSO's.And the biggest part of the other half is FO's with only a small number of Captains.

I heard that the total number of people in the pool is around 250, but that is just another rumor more.... I don´t think we will ever know the exact number of people there.


The issue with the license can be because to get a Qatari licence they might need to issue from another one, and same with the IR endorsement, It´s not the only place they do this, when I did in the country I´m flying now they ask me for the same thing, fully valid licence and then they contact my country licence authority for a verification or validation or authentication on that licence and then after an air law exam I got the new licence.
I´m not sure but this could be the case here.

pool
 

Nrs in the pool are 500+.. At least 250 FTSO

QR accepts ICAO licenses such as FAA. there are no expiries.

Not entirely true, your instrument currency needs to be maintained by verifiable logged hours, or an instrument proficiency check every 6 months by a suitably qualified instructor..

copy/paste
 

Hi guys,

For info and to give you an idea on the timeframe, a frined of mine who passed the selection in January 2012 as NTFO (He was captain with +6000 Hr) got a starting date for december 2013... no kidding, it's an absolute joke, about two years to get flying again... He refuses as he got a job with Emirates with only 2 weeks of waiting time... One less on the holding pool list. Hope this help to see where you are standing in the queue if still there.

cheers,

I was hired after two years of not touching an airplane or simulator and my FAA license was intact as were my flying skills. this recency stuff doesn't make sense for non commercial flying.

Resignation from current employer
 

Hi guys,
For those already with QR, how did you deal with your resignation from current employer while your QR work visa wasn`t ready yet ? It`s a bit of a tricky one...

Would you like to back the above statement with some proof. It's the first I've heard of any terminations as a result of PAT, indeed, the company have stated that they will offer support to anyone who conducts the test and is deemed unsuitable for upgrade/transfer etc.

All pilots have also been invited to volunteer for the test, if they so wish, but I doubt there will be many of those:8

PL

The company's official position on PAT results:

"No matter what the results of the PAT the Company can be expected to provide the level of support for personal development that is required to ensure that all pilots currently employed with the Company would expect from a world class organization."

A company that needs pilots is not going to fire ones with a proven
track record with the company because of a fuzzy psyc test.

Now if you are a still in the recruitment phase, then this is another hill to
get over, and if it says you are not really that suited to the job..........

I hear Subway is hiring.

Does anyone know when they will be accepting FO applications? I keep checking the official careers website and all I see are CA applications.

Java the truth is in the story itself. If the Captain joined
3 months ago, and PAT is only applied to joiners after Mar 1.

Then why was he doing the test ?
Answer, he never did.

BS swirls around this place like a tornado crossing a manure field.

Don't get sucked in, you won't end up in Kansas.

Actually, psych testing is prob what he may be referring too, and this applies to cpt upgrades, instructors, new hires, fleet transfers and anyone else who is selected to do it.
Selected to do it is based on anyone seen under stress.

Beyblade, clearly your not in the know then. (Re: fo murders).
either way, if you don't know then don't try to say things to trump what is true. You do no justice to any victims by playing dumb or denying reality.

Dear all,
Sorry for the off-topic, I found no better place to ask my question.

I wanted to know are Qatar Airways flight attendents able to choose or vote for their destinations? Maybe to see their relatives.

I appreciate your answer.

Sorry to hear the above.

Psych tests finally at QR, good they have finally caught the train on this one.

Yes Farshid
C.C. Do have a bidding system as well for their flights.

information about PAT
 

Please , some info about this new aptitude test for new entries.

i have an interview and no info until now.

any sites to help us prepare for it?

Many thanks

H