Paper Lad what do you mean 'will apply to all new joiners' ? Does this apply also to all of us swimming in the pool? We will have to do this new assessment?

As far as I know, reality......

Who is R.N.??:confused:

Maybe he is going to Abu Dhabi !:}

Do these aptitude tests apply to experienced direct entry Captains?

As I said, "that's all the info I have".

No idea whether it will apply to swimmers. Rumour suggests that if you have swum for a period of one year, then yes it will. Only a rumour though.

PL

Aptitude test for fleet transfer?:confused:

ADAPT (UK) Pilot Selection and Pilot Assessment


That's the website for symbiotics, heard of them a few years back, still no idea what they do or what the tests entail.

ADAPT
 

Yes that agrees with the info I have been sent and yes it applies to new DEC applicants. I will let you know more about it after my assessment but suffice it to say there is a 50 page handbook explaining the aptitude tests- anybody that has been through the system prior to now thank your lucky stars!

Thanks for the replies

Just when you think you know how many hoops there are somebody finds another few to put in your path- smaller and higher than the others :confused::D

interesting concept...


http://www.symbioticsltd.com/images/...-%20Yellow.pdf

Mr. R. N. was probably to worried His true colors would show if he were to take this new Apt. Test rather than being able to blame His numerous short comings on others! Rats run first when the ship is sinking...

If He does make the mistake of trying to swim to the closest (UAE) shore, Im sure plenty of X goaters will have their Rat Traps waiting...

Aptitude Test
 

It was inevitable this would happen.
The previous selection process was way too easy, hence the reason a relative high number of incapable people got in causing the numerous delays we are all suffering from at the moment. Everyone got trough, have you guys heard of people failing the selection? Well ok, there are some, but is there any airline with such a high pass rate on the assesments as Qatar?! Someone finally saw this needed to change. From what I heard. Everyone will have to go through this aptitude test, especially those guys (like myself) that have waited for well over a year since the interview. Do I like it, No. Do i think its necessary from the airline's perspective? Absolutely!

Boeing007, I agree with you. However, I already saw by myself a lot of incapable pilots pass throught this kind of tests while good ones fail. If that happens the problem will not be solved.

@DaCosta
 

In return, I agree with you as well.
I hope they will do a comprehensive interview after the adept test to give people the chance to explain the outcome and comment on it. I also hope that this 'Simbiotic' is a respected company with a good record, something like the DLR and not just a new fix in the market.. Never heard of it...

I think you will find these tests are "Stand Alone", and by that I mean if you fail, thats it move onto the next candidate. In theory there is no need to explain your answers as the test "proves", you are not suitable for airline employment.

Unfortunately I've seen many a good pilot miss out, while peoplewho have completed courses in these tests ( and have been terrible pilots ) have sailed straight through.

looking at the case studies on the website, they aim to not only assess your aptitude, but also your compatibility with the airline. Which makes sense, so you may in fact have a high aptitude, but not fit the "profile" laid out by the airline, i.e you may indicate laziness in your profile etc , yet someone may have an average aptitude, but would be trainable and fit the specific airline profile.

"The team will prepare a report after collecting all the data which will be passed to the airline who will make the final decision"
Hopefully this indicates that QR recruitment will use this report as a tool alongside there own assessment in order to make the final decision. Ie not standalone.
:cool:

I have been told first hand that this apt test is not a 'pass-or fail' item. They will use it alongside their own selection process to make a 'more informed' decision. It will apply to ALL already in Qatari as well. I.e fleet transfers, upgrades etc.

Wow, so end of February you get an update telling you to do the aptitude test within the next 4 months. Thereafter youre on waitlist again for a year or more.

I am thrilled by the amount of official information I get. Not.
All this information is only from mouth propaganda again... Which is a good thing that some people post here, but very bad if you look at the company.

I can totally understand that airlines do testing like that, although the psychological side is day-to-day performance and often depends on the mood of the assessors and the profiles the assessment center is based on.

It is a good method to test wether one will have hard time during training or not.
So especially good for people that are not in aviation yet and didnt fly before.

For those who are already flying successfully since years (lets say even a good pilot) - you test them and the test is telling them: youre not that good with your selective visual memory capacity, or your cognitive-psychomotorics test was slighlty under average, whatever actually.
Does that make the (good) pilot a bad pilot because the test is telling them so?
NO.

Like said before, there are a lot of good pilots that failed the testings and a lot of bad pilots that have passed.

But now QR installs a new practice to get rid of the number of applicants without probably ever telling them why.
Similar like many european airlines use that method.
I have passed several selection centers and done all sorts of testing so far and this I can tell:
Most, not all, of these tests are there to reduce the huge amount of applications down to a flimsy reason.

In my opinion, there is nothing better than a good simulator screening + debriefing, as well as a board consisting of several pilots that worked for the company for years.

Theory can be retrained, as well as some flying skills (look at Swiss for instance. They make you "redo"/retest your complete ATPL subjects internally before they send you on the type rating + checkflights + company own MCC. But they provide you software and instructions to do so, its not a selection criteria)

I'm sorry High Energy, I don't think an overworked H.R departmant that may have 200 applicants who have past the tests, and maybe 30 or 40 who have failed, will spend time sorting through those who have failed.

Especially when the pile of applicants is getting higher and higher.

I'm just conveying what I got told (not by HR) when I finished the assessment.

@High Energy
 

What was this new 'assesment' like? Did you pass it, was it difficult?

Re .Apt test.
 

Dear Friend..

QR selection program consist of 3 steps /Written exam /Panel interview and Sim check..\there is No Apt.Test up there...

Best Luck.

true, but obviouly they have added another stage, or are close to implement one.
(which makes the old assessment less worthy, not to say worthless)

date of joining a320
 

Hi this is the email i got today for the a320 non type direct entry f/o cheers

Dear xxx, We would like to confirm you, that we are currently not assigning Date of Joining to any First Officer A320, as we do not have training slots. The next available Date of joining is 11th August 2013, kindly confirm if this date is suitable for you.

speedhold,

I think that's 'good' news. At least you have an idea as to when you will be able to join, finally. Let's just hope its not another mirage in the waiting time line.

How long ago did you receive offer of employment?/When was your interview?

Happy landings.

timeline for DOJ a320
 

Quick timeline
Interviewed feb 2012 non type direct entry f/o
Offer two weeks later for the a 320
Contract signed returned may 2012. I Requested oct 2012 join date
Holly miles talent pool july 2012
November 2012 update saying update in jan 2013
Jan 2013 email stating next joining date nov 2013
I emailed fdtalent asking to clarify joining date for a320 as jan 2013 email very vague
Recieved email today that no classes for a 320 for now and then also told to confirm aug 11 2013

I dont havr any email address directly to HR .
The email I used was fdtalentqatatairways or [email protected]

I sent a reply to confirm 11 aug 2013 today and will wait to hear from them closer to time
Hopr this helps as quite a few people have pm me .

congrats
 

congratulations Speedhold.

it´s great to see that they are calling people from the pool, even for August, even if they told me that i will join in December it will be nice because i will have a date and we can start planning our life ahead, this waiting listening rumors and with nothing sure is not a comfortable situation.

there´s something i´m not sure... they told you no classes for A320 now but confirm August 11th, however they told you November... so maybe this means you are going A330.... sound a bit messy...

Migair

I dont know what to think ...I just posted what has happened to me im just going with the flow

salary at Qatar
 

Hi. Can anyone tell me how much a new joiner at qatar is making when u first arrive in doha first officer a320 ?? I have thr pay scale just wanna know what kind of base pay one gets .

speedhold,

Thank you for your post. All the best to you!

Speedhold,
The basic entry level salary for F/O is 21500QAR( 5900US dollars,4400 €)

Does any know if my wife can travel with me when I start with my joining date

No, your wife wont be able too, you will have to give all the documents and prepare a visa for her when you are here., unless you are given it already (but I doubt that).

It is a royal pain in the arse, or used to be to get your wife here on a visa and she will have to go throught the same RP process as you..... good luck!

in saying that, I doubt that it is better than it was a couple years ago and will take time.

I highly recommend to leave here at home for the first month at least if you can; as you will have to get used to the place and get all your running around done as well.

re: the Aug start date.
That will be a minimum time to expect.... this is the dates given by the same people that hired all those waiting around now.... so maybe they learnt their lesson..... but somehow I think not! :ugh:
They will need to get through many many people sitting around here and I dont see that happening in 6 months.

Good luck though.

Hi guys thanks for the response a little confuse regarding with my wife situation so pilot of doha you are saying that my wife can come with me ? are you married and did your wife come with you? we dont have kids at the moment . ive emailed hr tomask themmthat as well but not got back anything yet.

If someone can give me a true answer to that would be great.

cheers

Here is something that may help you.Your question regarding your wife is the one i've asked during the interview panel.A captain and an english first officer both advised me to wait the training to see how it goes for you first.Once you feel ok in Doha then bring your wife they said and the english 320 FO said this is what he did when he started thinking it wiser. But they insist that it was a personnal decision and you can bring your wife right away if you want. Good luck

Aug 11 is a long way off.
I would not be worring about that too much right now.
Asking helps, but the proceedure may change by the time you get a solid offer or they may fudge the paper work.

My bad, I forgot that she can be under your sponsorship initially, but I strongly recommend to consider to leave here at home for the first month as you will be running around like a confused drunk trying to work out where anything is and how this place works, and so may increase stress levels unessasarily.

Also, you want to see what your roster entails for the second month, because if you are lucky, depending on your position, you may get a sim/type class very soon after(?) and then will have to leave her for 6 weeks.....

better she comes when you are slightly stable, know how to get some things done here and then the transition is smoother(if you can call it that).....

remember, happy wife, happy life....... apllies 10 times more especially here!!

I joined in January and was provided with ticket for all of my family and a cargo allowance. You have up to 1 year to use the joining ticket for your family should you chose to wait. Finding a school is a problem as well as it doesn't help to have all of the distractions during training. At the same time training often takes a long time here and it may not be an option to leave family on other side of world.
Currently Qr is giving permanent housing again. (Subject to change of course).
There are 33 countries that can get visa on arrival and it may be extended for 1 more month for 100 qr. Hopefully that is time enough to get resident permit and sponsor your family.

@ Speedhild ~

When you received your offer letter, did they send with it a JOINING PROECDURE FAQ ? Most of the immigration/visas are in there. I had a look for you regarding the wife issue, here is what I found :

If your spouse and children are eligible for visa on arrival, then they may travel to Qatar at any time that you have accommodation for them. This will be dependent upon your housing entitlement.
 If they will be able to join you on your initial flight to Qatar, your coordinator will assist you in arranging their Joining Tickets. If they will be joining you at a later date, you will be able to arrange their joining tickets at the QR Staff Travel Villa.

Does your joining coordinator answers your e-mail from time to time ?

Regards.

No, I'm not...yet !