Wrong Title
 

Dear PilotofDoha

To call me a liar is a cheek, apparently your have the best connection inside QR.

I was directly in contact with HR and explained my situation.

They replied with the comments in my previous post.

I could be a different situation in my case, but I have to agree that I used the wrong title.

If you have so good connection inside QR! Why you giving no more details about what happen inside.

Everybody wich have applied looking forward for a new job or like me wants to go more westerly.

It is very hard to decide to stay 3 more years in Asia or wait for a unsure time frame to get the offer from QR. A CDR Rating and Position is not all in my life, my life is my family and my friendships.

Best regards

@ Disagreeable
No need to be so Disagreeable :)

Don’t get me wrong Sir, this is not for me but for the SO’s in the pool still waiting for news so I’m absolutely not asking for help here. All I’m saying is that it should be a good thing if SO’s currently in Doha come here to DIRECTLY report their feelings and life experience . I believe it will add weight to what you’re saying regarding the frustration you stated in their case, do you agree? Otherwise because you're currently working for QR I respect your point of view like everyone here, so don’t feel insulted.

@PilotofDoha
Which position your friends applied for?

@ saam 85
Did.u apply as direct entry fo or so. Did u get the contract while u were waiting.

A330F
 

These A330 freighters will be replacements when they park the two A300s. Net 1 new aircraft. There is an optional 4th.

NTSO
 

Saam, does this mean they are cancelling your application? Does this holds for all of us NTSO's?

@Saam
 

Saam, the quote you posted is very concerning. Can you be more specific or post the WHOLE email? Did they tell you to wait longer or are they cancelling your application? I hope you can answer that question..

@saam 85
A very diplomatic statement! :hmm:

@Saam-85
 

Hey man,

Did they stated a reason for this? :(

Im afraid this is going to happen to all of us NTSO's that have no connections inside Qatar / don't have clear ties with the country.. Why did they have us come and asses, and than sent us off?

Whats happening :S

Hopefully, this question will not get buried or lost in the ongoing discussions.

Just wondering if anyone has any info on where the new-joiners are being put up for the 6 weeks? I had heard the Oryx was being used as well as other locations.

Also, any other survival tips for the first few days????

Thanks in advance.

PS feel free to send PM if you would rather do that.

I told you guys, you’re playing the lotery… Do prepare seriously your plan B.

Sorry to hear what’s happened to you Saam but that is a clear sign to all other NTSO waiting. It seems that the interview is just one step of the selection process, and do not guarantee that you will join.

@JeanPaul172
I do believe that’s the case. As I stated before someone in the QR HR informed me only about this criteria when he checked my file.
In the other hand, since Disagreeable mentioned the new SO’s contract, I have the impression that for one NTSO to survive in Doha with basically “no knowledge of the country and no money income” you’ll need a local family member or good connection to support and monitor your evolution in QR.

I’m not sure about that, but it make sense to me. Any idea?

So sorry to hear SAM.
Cannot imagine how it feels but I do hope something else comes along the way for you man.
Is there a chance they had an issue preparing a work visa for you?
Not sure where you're from but maybe they have some issues with the country.
Just an assumption.
All the best.

QR don't need to employ NTSO's because they get them from CTC. Partially type rated aswell. Remember the 18 that started in May 2012.:mad:

@GgW
 

If Qatar doesn't need us, than they shouldnt have called and assesed us. The process we NTSO's are involved in has takes more than 1,5 years for some of us (application, invitation, interview etc). They assesed us in big numbers throughout november, december 2011 and january, february 2012. It would be a bloody shame if those guys patiently waiting would be thrown out with no explanation. Yet, it seems to be happening already.

Guys I did the interview for NTSO and all last year but the same old story, had to wait forever for the results, didnt hear anything from them till now.... fortunately I got a nice opportunity on the other side of the lake in the UAE so I had to move on. Good luck for those who waiting but remember dont just depend on this, if you get another opportunity whatever it is go for it.

Any info available for captain's accommodation provided?

update
 

Anyone got 'the update' already?

Nope no info what so ever ......

No news- still awaiting end of Nov update........

Interview in June 2012. Never received congrats letter. Received pool e-mail right away. I guess I passed. Now waiting for Nov. update. Currently employed B737-300 and 400 series. Applied as FO.

Update talent pool mail
 

Hello to all desperate swimmers,
Interview in May 2012
No congrats mail.
Put in the f@cking pool in August
Still no news at all:ugh:
Applied for F/O position
9700TT on Heavy turboprop, full ATPL
bored with this too long waiting

update?
 

Hi All,
Update? Which update? :(
Interview in Feb 12.
Pass mail received Mar 12.
Holding pool mail received in Oct 12 that I will receive an update the end of Nov 12.
Since then nothing.
Applied as FTSO.

Passed as Captain, no update either

The advert for DEC captains has been taken off the QR website.

Today was the original planned date (after delay) to open the new Qatar International Airport. 12/12/2012

Does anybody currently in Doha have any updates on the project?

For anyone else waiting: Still no Nov. update yet. And by now, I truefully doubt anything positive will come after this.

NDIA
 

From what I heard NDIA is scheduled to open around june 2013.

I hope we do get an update and also one that is tailored to the position we applied for. Regarding the NTSO position some of us applied for,I haven't heard anything positive lately. Seems like they are taking in only Qatari's / Arabs or family members of qatar airways staff. This will probably be at the expense of those in the pool.

nothing but little hope
 

jeanpaul172

i dont think what you said about them taking Qatari/arab pilots is true . Im from one of the GCC countries and ive been waiting ( in the pool ) just like you , i got nothing from them yet :bored:
interview march 12
offer signed (a320 - non type rated f.o ) may 12 / total 2000 hours 1700 jet .
i cant remember the ( pool email ) date but i never got ( we will give you update on nov ) email . anyway im still swimming and really getting more scared now since im approaching the ( 12 months limits ) :confused:
wishing a very Good luck for everybody

A friend just told me that he got invited for an interview as second officer (NTSO) next year. the application was sent way back in time.

I dont understand, as we havent got any news update on november... are they just gonna kick us all out and let go over the 1 years notice and invite new ones???

It looks like that's the case.

Rumours
 

@ Supersonic, frankly I believe you have nothing to worry about. People with the offer signed will start to get called before anyone else. In fact, it is already happening. About the 1 year limit, it still is a very vague rumour.
I too have heard of this 'rule' but no one has ever been officially able to confirm it. Some people say this rule obeys people to be in before one year after their assesment date, others have been told this 1 year starts after receiving the good news. There are also people (even inside QR recruitement) who totally deny the existence of this rule. The truth remains unclear.

For the NTSO position, for which some of us participating on the forum have applied, I do believe a selection based on nationality is being made. I doubt that this also holds for the FTSO position and I'm sure it's not applicable to FO's and CAPTS. Fact is that Qatari nationals are preferred (which is understandable). Also family members of Qatar Airways staff will be preferred. That is what I believe, but than again it's mainly applicable to the NTSO position.

Tritzo, your friend being invited for a NTSO interview is suprising.
Or your friend has close ties with Qatar, family, living in the Gulf region? Or they plan on taking on us SO's all together by early spring next year (also a rumour that I have heard). Another fact is that Qatar has recently held recruitment days in Tunesia. I can confirm this since one of my close friends attented the interview. There were about 80!! cadets from which 20 are likely to get hired. When my friend asked the recruiters when (if they got hired) they were scheduled to join they told him, as from April 2013 onwards. My friend has not received the results yet.

Hope this is some helpful information.

Goodluck!! And let's stay positive.

No, its a guy from asia not qatari. he got denied once before even getting a date, then reapplied and many months later (now) got an invitation for NTSO. no experience or anything. for people in the pool it feels like a punch in the face.

Training...
 

Training department is in such a mess at the moment. Sure, they have many of pilots in 'the pool' but there is a shortage of TRIs to train on all fleets with the EIS of the B787. No planning. The appearance is that everything is going smooth..it isn't..

The attrition rate is so high that they can't train to replace the ones who are escaping and going elsewhere. That leaves little capacity to train for the fleet increase. Furthermore; the intake of the unfortunate group from Spain and their inability to pass the testing, really upset the planning.

Hopefully this ad is not for QR!

Airbus 320 First Officers (Middle East)

One more thing
 

The only reason I can imagine for them to apply the '1 year rule' and kick us out of the holding pool after one year is because their selection program was too easy and they plan on revising it for new candidates. I can't think of any other rational explanation. I can hardly remember any individual on this forum that got a negative answer after his interview. Especially in the batch of NTSO's I was in last year the selection day seemed more like a formality. This is in total contrast to other major airlines where rigorous selection programs are being held.

Does anyone know if they keep our results? Do they rank us according to our interview results, do we have our own file in which our performance at the interview is written?

What do you mean the selection process where to easy? You wrote a test, a panel interview snd a sim assesment. Box standard interview.

What else did you want, pschycometric testing, a medical and a group excercise?

The medical is done in doha as well. After your joining process.
I know a couple of guys who failed the simulator as NTSO (although flying A320 raw data patterns with a malifunction that day wasnt that difficult if you prepare for it and just plan ahead a bit). But they can see how you handle the situation and evaluate well.

I guess the simulator is - as like many companies - a chance for the training captains to get to know you and to see your work performance. They know you are probably not rated on the specific type. (Sim-ranges are from 320, 330, 777 to 787 in the assessment)

In my opinion group exercises dont tell more than a good sim evaluation.
A simulator assessment can put you in any kind of situation and see how you deal with it. Workload management, stress, flying skills, practical system knowledge, CRM, decision making - all of that can be checked much better on a simulator screening.

The group assessments or psychological interviews are rather a platform for psychologists to judge you, but most of the time, the psychologists themselves have issues.
And most of them dont even fly. So they are judging you upon theory, mixed with fictive situations.

Its one thing if some training captain dont wants you in a company, as he doesnt wanna fly next to you. I could totally understand that if the critique is constructive.

But if a psychologist told you whether youre good or bad (most probably you have just previously proven him wrong in the simulator) - in my opinion its just some kind of new fashion.

They had great pilots in the last decades and most of them wouldn't pass a serious psychology test at the time being, if the company is not hiring much.

It is only another stage for a company to adapt the flow of applicants to their requirements. I can understand computertests that check some of your -trainable- hardskills, like memory, selective/and focussed attention, reaction, psychomotorics etc.

@SAS: Most probably this job offer is for Qatar Airways, hence the given emailaddress involves CTC Aviation, which is QRs new low hour pilot source it seems. (Careful RUMOUR: 20 cadets joined in April?? or so and had overgone the regular recruitment process just like the spanair guys and just like soon the tunesian ones) It seems Qatar has no requirement on the pool people anymore. Everything has to go fast.

Currently swimming as a fast track SO-

Info from recruitment at Qatar ( but not flight deck recruitment)

via email so it's confirmed that I won't get called forward until at least April.

Its a changing picture as well apparently.

to clarify email was to third party about me- ive seen the email and its 100% genuine.

Update
 

Hello,
Can you be more specific about the mail that you receive.Did you write them,asking about the joining date?
And then they reply you.
Thanks,comm

A lot can happen between now and April. It looks like QR is changing their requirements is it goes. By the time April arrives, QR will say something else...
It's still not a guarantee you will be called to join QR.
I'm also swimming as a FTSO, but I think it's time to move on...
Someone has warned us for this, so we can't say we didn't know.

It's time to move away, unfortunately.
Bye bye Middle East
Qatar Airways awards Future Pilot Supply Contract to CTC Aviation | CTC Wings
Good luck to those who were believing in the promise land.
Bad wake up. :{