Beech 1900 Rating....again!!
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Beech 1900 Rating....again!!
It would appear impossible to obtain this rating in the USA or Toronto due to restrictions imposed last year. Also no luck with suggested companies in South Africa or Australia.
Does anyone know if Falcon are approved to provide the type rating?
Alternatively, are there any other companies that anyone has experience of who could provide the rating - an organisation that in my case must satisfy either the UK/JAA CAA or the UAE CAA?
Any advice appreciated.
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Does anyone know if Falcon are approved to provide the type rating?
Alternatively, are there any other companies that anyone has experience of who could provide the rating - an organisation that in my case must satisfy either the UK/JAA CAA or the UAE CAA?
Any advice appreciated.
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Hi - first try Aviation Assistance in Denmark: 0045 46141600. They actually provied crew etc. + B1900 know how to Falcon in the beginning. AA`s chief pilot used to make check rides etc. in Dubai - long time after Falcon establised their own head staff. Otherwise try DAT - also in Denmark 0045 75583777.
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Thanks TripleTAY,
I have contacted both companies and they do indeed provide the rating. DAT can do it now, but the other training facility will probably only be able to offer the type training in around two months time, due to lack of aircraft. Not cheap though.
Around 5 hours in the sim. and 5-8 hours in the a/c is around£8,500 sterling.
Do you know if Falcon can provide type training under any circumstances? Or is it an absolute necessity to have a type rating before any potential offer of employment would be forthcoming?
Thanks again
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I have contacted both companies and they do indeed provide the rating. DAT can do it now, but the other training facility will probably only be able to offer the type training in around two months time, due to lack of aircraft. Not cheap though.
Around 5 hours in the sim. and 5-8 hours in the a/c is around£8,500 sterling.
Do you know if Falcon can provide type training under any circumstances? Or is it an absolute necessity to have a type rating before any potential offer of employment would be forthcoming?
Thanks again
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Haselled, if you are prepared to pay 8500 pounds for a rating, a 1900 would be the last thing I would be looking at most certainly when there isn't a garenteed job to go to at the end of it. That price is what we would say is a complete rip off. Look around especially in other countries out side of Europe e.g NZ and Australia, for the same price you could just about purchase a rating in a 737 or something similar, which would give you opportunitys way further a field. For your investment you have to look at the return you will receive.
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Howdy Tunnelvision,
Long time no see!! Where you been hiding??
Happy New Year.
8500 sterling for a 1900 rating, YIKES!! Tunnelvision is right, that's a lot of money to spend for no garantee especially when you can put that cash towards a jet rating!!
Long time no see!! Where you been hiding??
Happy New Year. 8500 sterling for a 1900 rating, YIKES!! Tunnelvision is right, that's a lot of money to spend for no garantee especially when you can put that cash towards a jet rating!!
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haselled, please email me, looks like we are in the same boat, maybe we can consolidate our resources and work something out
1900 , jet ratings.... with the usa having closed its borders shutting out foreign crew wanting to do training there, where in the world can we look for training along the lines offered by Flightsafety ?
In the UK, Australia, New Zealand? certainly not in South Africa or the US anymore
What would the benefit be of paying for your own B737 or other jet rating anyway, seems like a lot of money for no certain chance of employement at all?
A rep from Flightsafety informed me that in order for you to be eligible to do a type rating on an aircraft >5700kg, in the US, you first need to be rated on one already, so that totally defeats the purpose of going in the first place. Not to mention the endless formalities yo need to go to in order to even apply to go to the US for training.
Scuttlebut has it that no one individual has been able to travel to the US and complete any self-sponsored training since 9/11.
What is this doing to the US companies that prvided training to foreign crews, they certainly cant be very happy with loosing so much revenue all of a sudden?
1900 , jet ratings.... with the usa having closed its borders shutting out foreign crew wanting to do training there, where in the world can we look for training along the lines offered by Flightsafety ?
In the UK, Australia, New Zealand? certainly not in South Africa or the US anymore
What would the benefit be of paying for your own B737 or other jet rating anyway, seems like a lot of money for no certain chance of employement at all?
A rep from Flightsafety informed me that in order for you to be eligible to do a type rating on an aircraft >5700kg, in the US, you first need to be rated on one already, so that totally defeats the purpose of going in the first place. Not to mention the endless formalities yo need to go to in order to even apply to go to the US for training.
Scuttlebut has it that no one individual has been able to travel to the US and complete any self-sponsored training since 9/11.
What is this doing to the US companies that prvided training to foreign crews, they certainly cant be very happy with loosing so much revenue all of a sudden?
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Hey Skaz,
I hear ya dude. But don't forget, the best part about these forum is that you get all types of different opinions which sometimes will shed light onto a side of the situation that you had not realized before. The point is that you get boh sides of the story, the good AND the bad.
As for this type rating issue, it's a raw deal, but what are we going to do about it? I think I'm in the same boat with you. We're not American, we don't have a type rating on same a/c and we don't have jobs, ....well at least I don't. The best thing we can do is to try our very best to keep each other informed as best as possible. In the end, I don't have 8500 sterling. So if that is what it's going to take to put me back to work, well then I'm REALLY screwed!!
I hear ya dude. But don't forget, the best part about these forum is that you get all types of different opinions which sometimes will shed light onto a side of the situation that you had not realized before. The point is that you get boh sides of the story, the good AND the bad.
As for this type rating issue, it's a raw deal, but what are we going to do about it? I think I'm in the same boat with you. We're not American, we don't have a type rating on same a/c and we don't have jobs, ....well at least I don't. The best thing we can do is to try our very best to keep each other informed as best as possible. In the end, I don't have 8500 sterling. So if that is what it's going to take to put me back to work, well then I'm REALLY screwed!!
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JoeCo, youre right, thats is what great about pprune, sometime you have people you dont even know helping you out 
So whats the verdict, better to spend buckaroos on a B1900 rating or on B737 rating, or A320 or GIV or a Lear or a....C206? Might help if you actually have something to aim for.Logic would dictate its better to spend money on a rating that is widely accepted like B737 or CRJ or A320 or such, especially if you are aiming for the heavy metal , otherwise its keep poling those Grandvans, bru!
So whats the verdict, better to spend buckaroos on a B1900 rating or on B737 rating, or A320 or GIV or a Lear or a....C206? Might help if you actually have something to aim for.Logic would dictate its better to spend money on a rating that is widely accepted like B737 or CRJ or A320 or such, especially if you are aiming for the heavy metal , otherwise its keep poling those Grandvans, bru!
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Skaz,
Man, I do not know. I personally am of the opinion that a pilot should not have to pay for their rating. That pilots should be hired on their merits and ability to do the work and not on whether they have 8500+ sterling in the bank and willing to pay for the rating. I am all for a training bonds. You train me and help me advance my career, I'll give you a garanteed year or two. I don't believe in pilot gets loan, company pays loan. That's just to risky in todays markets. Plus, what if the pilot can't GET the loan, then what? I lose a job opportunity because the bank didn't approve my loan request??? Where's the fairness in that?? What are we too do though?? The company won't hire you unless you're type rated. No other company is interested in you. It's like a circle, where did it start. WHERE does it END??? But this is a WHOOOOOLE different can of worms which I am NOT trying to open up here in this thread. Sorry Skaz, I can't answer your question. However, if money was no issue, I kinda like that CRJ, .....I guess I'd go for it. That ERJ145 is slick looking too, but it ain't made in the homeland, so....... Maybe a Gulfstream? Have ALWAYS loved them, plus I'm very interested in the corporate side of the industry, but so far no luck. Ahhhhh, I LOVE this industry!!!
Man, I do not know. I personally am of the opinion that a pilot should not have to pay for their rating. That pilots should be hired on their merits and ability to do the work and not on whether they have 8500+ sterling in the bank and willing to pay for the rating. I am all for a training bonds. You train me and help me advance my career, I'll give you a garanteed year or two. I don't believe in pilot gets loan, company pays loan. That's just to risky in todays markets. Plus, what if the pilot can't GET the loan, then what? I lose a job opportunity because the bank didn't approve my loan request??? Where's the fairness in that?? What are we too do though?? The company won't hire you unless you're type rated. No other company is interested in you. It's like a circle, where did it start. WHERE does it END??? But this is a WHOOOOOLE different can of worms which I am NOT trying to open up here in this thread. Sorry Skaz, I can't answer your question. However, if money was no issue, I kinda like that CRJ, .....I guess I'd go for it. That ERJ145 is slick looking too, but it ain't made in the homeland, so.......
Maybe a Gulfstream? Have ALWAYS loved them, plus I'm very interested in the corporate side of the industry, but so far no luck. Ahhhhh, I LOVE this industry!!!
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JoeCo....
your absolutely right. This is an awsome site for collecting info. I have found out so much without even asking.
this indusrty is one of the few (exceptions noted) that you have to pay for your own training, after you have paid a gazillion bucks for a your ATP (or commercial)
There seems to be a lot of different notions going around as to how to get a type rating in the states. I look forward to reading a definitive answer on what you have to do! I do beleive however that the requirement for getting a type at FS or wherever else is that you must have been 'trained' on an A/C above 12500lbs.....no rating needed. so that I would presume includes being SIC rated.
This cant be too far off the mark. I upgraded to captain in the 1900 after the act went into effect. and I am not even close to being a yanky citizen!
like you suggested joe. this may not be the situation youre in but maybe someone else is......good luck all.
btw.......8500sterling jeezus H.
If ya have less than 1000 hrs tt come over the states for a month or so and buy around 300hrs of Apachy time or something......
just a thought.....
hold on, i think you advertised around 1700/300 in the mideast forum......never mind
Oh yeah....... i think you will find a G-iv/v type is around US$30,000
your absolutely right. This is an awsome site for collecting info. I have found out so much without even asking.
this indusrty is one of the few (exceptions noted) that you have to pay for your own training, after you have paid a gazillion bucks for a your ATP (or commercial)
There seems to be a lot of different notions going around as to how to get a type rating in the states. I look forward to reading a definitive answer on what you have to do! I do beleive however that the requirement for getting a type at FS or wherever else is that you must have been 'trained' on an A/C above 12500lbs.....no rating needed. so that I would presume includes being SIC rated.
This cant be too far off the mark. I upgraded to captain in the 1900 after the act went into effect. and I am not even close to being a yanky citizen!
like you suggested joe. this may not be the situation youre in but maybe someone else is......good luck all.
btw.......8500sterling jeezus H.
If ya have less than 1000 hrs tt come over the states for a month or so and buy around 300hrs of Apachy time or something......
just a thought.....
hold on, i think you advertised around 1700/300 in the mideast forum......never mind
Oh yeah....... i think you will find a G-iv/v type is around US$30,000
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Im afraid that the new lost cost carriers which I might add are surviving the current deperate times much better than the conventional carriers.
By the way United, US airways are allready in Bankruptcy Court
I heard today American and continental are recruiting Bankruptcy Lawyers as we speak.
So self sponsored typeRatings, SouthWest,RYAN AIR, not sure on Jetblue are more common. In Australia Virgin blue has a similair policy allthought they refund you over 2years. They are now having difficulties, due to the US DOJ crackdown.
1900 is not a waste if you have a gauranteed job at the end of it
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Im afraid that the new lost cost carriers which I might add are surviving the current deperate times much better than the conventional carriers.
By the way United, US airways are allready in Bankruptcy Court
I heard today American and continental are recruiting Bankruptcy Lawyers as we speak.
So self sponsored typeRatings, SouthWest,RYAN AIR, not sure on Jetblue are more common. In Australia Virgin blue has a similair policy allthought they refund you over 2years. They are now having difficulties, due to the US DOJ crackdown.
1900 is not a waste if you have a gauranteed job at the end of it
Regards
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mjbow2,
"hold on, i think you advertised around 1700/300 in the mideast forum......never mind"
If anyone posted those numbers, I don't think it was me?
Sheep Guts,
Good to see you again. Any luck on the DHC-6 stuff??
Ya I hear you loud and clear. Looks like the industry in going to hell in a hand basket, at least in the US, but that market is off limits to me.
"1900 is not a waste if you have a gauranteed job at the end of it"
True story, and I don't think the 1900 is waste. As a matter of fact I think it would be the best thing for me right now. However, the problem is that there IS NO garanteed job, PLUS even if I had the funds, it looks like I couldn't get the rating anyhow!?!?! So now what??
I tell ya, some days............
"hold on, i think you advertised around 1700/300 in the mideast forum......never mind"
If anyone posted those numbers, I don't think it was me?
Sheep Guts,
Good to see you again. Any luck on the DHC-6 stuff??
Ya I hear you loud and clear. Looks like the industry in going to hell in a hand basket, at least in the US, but that market is off limits to me.
"1900 is not a waste if you have a gauranteed job at the end of it"
True story, and I don't think the 1900 is waste. As a matter of fact I think it would be the best thing for me right now. However, the problem is that there IS NO garanteed job, PLUS even if I had the funds, it looks like I couldn't get the rating anyhow!?!?! So now what??
I tell ya, some days............
