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Word from a reputable source is that the delay is due to a possible imminent agreement vis-a-vis the purchase of a sizable percentage of a certain battered red-tailed airline.
I think the pay delay is due more to the muppet factor than the airline buying factor.
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Glofish; good one 
however.. Doesn't fly fishin involve elaborate fake lures? Sort of what we face day to day isn't it? Pay review postponed etc..
Back to the topic.. Where's the money??
however.. Doesn't fly fishin involve elaborate fake lures? Sort of what we face day to day isn't it? Pay review postponed etc.. Back to the topic.. Where's the money??
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EK will wait until they know what impact the runway closure has to the profits, as usual the employees have to pay for it
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Here goes the last bit of respect I held for the company. Be man enough to say whatever it is: rise or nothing. Childish, disrespectful and irresponsible. They bring you and your family half way around the world and then once you here keep you hostage to whatever game they're playing. This is not the poker, it is real people with real needs and they are not unreasonable this time around. If you can't handle this just be men enough to admit it.
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Fatbus, it is not the question of what we're going to do about it, but what THEY are going to do about it. And the signs are already al over the wall. Upset by unbelievable display of disrespect and ignorance by the company local FOs leaving in droves to go to the unmentionable airline, massive amount of Captains working on the exit strategy and that is not to mention people who already jumped the ship in the last 12 months, causing rise in attrition rate.
Honestly, good luck to them trying to hire qualified pilots, we are not blind, deaf or stupid. Yes we're slow to react, because of various reasons such as family, schooling, financial commitments, but once the ball is rolling it is not going stop. For me it is not the matter of money any more, but the matter of respect and there is none left and that is mutual. Time to look elsewhere, where things such as pride, honour, respect actually mean something. Good luck to those staying as this ship is done. When you remove the pillars that people's society lived upon for hundreds of years what you get in return? Chaos. And it will take a long long time to get it back on its feet.
Honestly, good luck to them trying to hire qualified pilots, we are not blind, deaf or stupid. Yes we're slow to react, because of various reasons such as family, schooling, financial commitments, but once the ball is rolling it is not going stop. For me it is not the matter of money any more, but the matter of respect and there is none left and that is mutual. Time to look elsewhere, where things such as pride, honour, respect actually mean something. Good luck to those staying as this ship is done. When you remove the pillars that people's society lived upon for hundreds of years what you get in return? Chaos. And it will take a long long time to get it back on its feet.
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As you apparently can't do zilch about squat, work to the minimum, no extra mile or extension, to all other times switch off your brain for company matters.
Oh what a relief it is!
As to the apparent lack of quality for recruitment, just read the latest safety report ... The erosion has already nicely settled in.
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Oh what a relief it is!
As to the apparent lack of quality for recruitment, just read the latest safety report ... The erosion has already nicely settled in.
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In response to glofish. I am feed up with the company too. Managment continues to erode our working conditions and treats us with more and more disdain. All that is true. However our new pilots are not any less quality than before. There has been no drop in the requirement of entry. Rather I believe the longer I have been here the more experience I have. As time goes by I imagine that what I know now is what I have always known. Which is not true. New joiners always need time to settle and learn as I, and I imagine all of us had to. The old always think the new is useless . Just ask my grandmother . She is still suspicious of that odd metric system.
In short the company has not had to accept lesser quality recruits. I sadly imagine that they will never have to. I tell people to think long and hard about coming here, but they still come. The so called difficulty in finding people I believe comes from the fact that the company was hard pressed to find guys going directly to A 380 as they needed 1500 hours in an airbus. They are finding guys, and if they fail too they will just change the requirement.
The ship is sinking only in regard to our conditions.
Where is my pay rise dammit
In short the company has not had to accept lesser quality recruits. I sadly imagine that they will never have to. I tell people to think long and hard about coming here, but they still come. The so called difficulty in finding people I believe comes from the fact that the company was hard pressed to find guys going directly to A 380 as they needed 1500 hours in an airbus. They are finding guys, and if they fail too they will just change the requirement.
The ship is sinking only in regard to our conditions.
Where is my pay rise dammit
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We all are asking ourselves where our not only deserved, but bitterly needed pay rise is.
As there is a correlation between supply and demand with the required quality, the observation that recruitment has become more difficult, should raise our attention. Any lowering of the quality bar has an impact on pressure to the managers about t&c's. This means that if they can still feed the ranks by paying less (no inflation, no raise, no step), they accept the B, or C-team. So we lose on two ends: In our wallets and in our jobs, with lesser qualified/trained colleagues. Even if you accept that most are still adequately skilled, where do you draw the line?
By reading the safety bulletin, at least to me, the line is below what i consider adequate. Be it that most rather silly contributions are to cover their @$$', there are quite disturbing other ones.
Like the one where GS capture from above was attempted with FLCH (never heard of the ASIANA accident?), or AP engagement mis-switched with APP and (at least according to the ASR) not realised by both on the FMA at all!
That shows what kind of quality we seem to have flying our metal today. We all make mistakes, but some reading is painful and way off standard.
I might sound harsh, but if we accept and defend such standards, they are our buddies after all, they all need a job and we all make mistakes, then we should not complain about the race to the bottom of our t&c's.
We all are asking ourselves where our not only deserved, but bitterly needed pay rise is.
As there is a correlation between supply and demand with the required quality, the observation that recruitment has become more difficult, should raise our attention. Any lowering of the quality bar has an impact on pressure to the managers about t&c's. This means that if they can still feed the ranks by paying less (no inflation, no raise, no step), they accept the B, or C-team. So we lose on two ends: In our wallets and in our jobs, with lesser qualified/trained colleagues. Even if you accept that most are still adequately skilled, where do you draw the line?
By reading the safety bulletin, at least to me, the line is below what i consider adequate. Be it that most rather silly contributions are to cover their @$$', there are quite disturbing other ones.
Like the one where GS capture from above was attempted with FLCH (never heard of the ASIANA accident?), or AP engagement mis-switched with APP and (at least according to the ASR) not realised by both on the FMA at all!
That shows what kind of quality we seem to have flying our metal today. We all make mistakes, but some reading is painful and way off standard.
I might sound harsh, but if we accept and defend such standards, they are our buddies after all, they all need a job and we all make mistakes, then we should not complain about the race to the bottom of our t&c's.
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Why would they tell us now when they have till June pay closure?
On the basis that closure of the June salaries is the 18th I expect they will not announce any 'contract adjustment' till the Thursday prior (at 3pm) - that is 12th June.
Why? Operations don't care about intangibles such as morale and motivation and never will until the supply-demand equation forces them to re-evaluate. Lets face it, they address the demand whilst HR address the supply. Whilst we have people whom accept discretion needlessly (ex Dubai) and other such self-damaging practices demand will continue to be satisfied. So Ops, I believe are content. I reckon they look to Pre-ops for immediate crewing levels and get the 'thumbs up'.
Question - whom out there has received payment for working on a day off?? I know of no-one!
Further, why would they announce any change now? Once they missed the May deadline they most likely sat back and said "okay now we have a window till 18th; lets get it sorted out by then". No need to do it sooner!
HR look to recruitment for feedback and from that evaluate the supply equation.
In an environment and company the size of ours attrition and lack of job satisfaction can only (by bean counters) realistically be measured in an analytical way. As much as I disagree with it I am sure they don't give a rats ar$e about individualized negativity and the rumor crap found on pprune. They look at the other packages and make a suitable package themselves. 'Careless and irresponsibly wrong I believe!'
In fact I think our HR department have become very insensitive to emotive responses and focus solely on the monetary package.
In short, IMHO talk of 8000-10000 increases are examples of Chinese whispers and I'll be amazed if the actual adjustment is anything near this. As for our desire to know the monetary increases sooner or later - I think we have no hope.
I really wish to be proven wrong but I'm nowadays a very cynical bar$tard!
Vietnam and CSA although entertaining still fall short of the tabled offer her at EK. There may well be a LOT of better lifestyle choices out there but again - I don't believe HR look at this - it's too subjective.
Rant over!
Why? Operations don't care about intangibles such as morale and motivation and never will until the supply-demand equation forces them to re-evaluate. Lets face it, they address the demand whilst HR address the supply. Whilst we have people whom accept discretion needlessly (ex Dubai) and other such self-damaging practices demand will continue to be satisfied. So Ops, I believe are content. I reckon they look to Pre-ops for immediate crewing levels and get the 'thumbs up'.
Question - whom out there has received payment for working on a day off?? I know of no-one!
Further, why would they announce any change now? Once they missed the May deadline they most likely sat back and said "okay now we have a window till 18th; lets get it sorted out by then". No need to do it sooner!
HR look to recruitment for feedback and from that evaluate the supply equation.
In an environment and company the size of ours attrition and lack of job satisfaction can only (by bean counters) realistically be measured in an analytical way. As much as I disagree with it I am sure they don't give a rats ar$e about individualized negativity and the rumor crap found on pprune. They look at the other packages and make a suitable package themselves. 'Careless and irresponsibly wrong I believe!'
In fact I think our HR department have become very insensitive to emotive responses and focus solely on the monetary package.
In short, IMHO talk of 8000-10000 increases are examples of Chinese whispers and I'll be amazed if the actual adjustment is anything near this. As for our desire to know the monetary increases sooner or later - I think we have no hope.
I really wish to be proven wrong but I'm nowadays a very cynical bar$tard!
Vietnam and CSA although entertaining still fall short of the tabled offer her at EK. There may well be a LOT of better lifestyle choices out there but again - I don't believe HR look at this - it's too subjective.
Rant over!
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How can anyone say the standard has not accepted lesser quality pilots?
Have you seen what is coming through?
Forget all the statistics. When you lower the hourly requirements you lower your experience level. No one can deny that.
Where is my pay raise dammit!
Have you seen what is coming through?
Forget all the statistics. When you lower the hourly requirements you lower your experience level. No one can deny that.
Where is my pay raise dammit!