EK Pay review
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That's it! Had enuf!
I'm officially looking for a new job,back home, where I can breathe in the fresh air, feel the wind,cold and the rain not the sand and dust plus all this BS comes with it. Not a place where we feel that somebody always trying to kill us on the roads.
I'll never take an expat job again. China, even if they offer me 50K a month never ever....
I rather take a pay cut,fly a 733 or even a kite but at least I'm happy!
I'm officially looking for a new job,back home, where I can breathe in the fresh air, feel the wind,cold and the rain not the sand and dust plus all this BS comes with it. Not a place where we feel that somebody always trying to kill us on the roads.
I'll never take an expat job again. China, even if they offer me 50K a month never ever....
I rather take a pay cut,fly a 733 or even a kite but at least I'm happy!
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Is it not clear folks that the delay in announcement is likely because the changes will be legislative......waiting on the GCAA to approve some ridiculous hair brained slave driving FTL scheme in return for a carrot that isn't quite as good as it seems??? I can't work anymore hrs, otherwise the work life balance moves way off centre.
Likewise my Aunts cousin tells me recruitment have gone straight to the top to advise of lack of interest/suitability. The answer was "we'll sort it.....don't lower the standard!"
If I didn't mention it.....my Aunt knows some great people......
Likewise my Aunts cousin tells me recruitment have gone straight to the top to advise of lack of interest/suitability. The answer was "we'll sort it.....don't lower the standard!"
If I didn't mention it.....my Aunt knows some great people......
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@ Oldaircrew
I think you have hit the nail on the head! They don't want to demotivate the already " lead swinging flight deck ". So make sure they keep dangling the carrot whilst the NRR goes on 
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Well EK colleagues, the erosion will continue, you have/will been/be pushed to your personal/family limit and you will need to make that decision. All the best and good luck to you all.
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Well put Mr Kennedy....
Rumour going round at the moment is not great,
10,000 dhm increase, good, but
Flight pay removed (around 5000 on average PCM, loss)
Overtime limit removed! Block hours up to FTL limits, 100hrs per 28days, but that could mean upto 115/120 hrs as you can start a flight eg 16.5hrs to SFO on 99.5 hrs in your 28 days and still be legal!
Using 30 day month, 12 'free' hours productivity now for the company, 12 x600dhms =7200 dhms loss
Also talk of 1000 hrs per rolling yr total!
Bend over boys (and girls), here comes the rogering!
Well, if they're really that dumb-ass, it's time to dust off the CV...
+10 000 AED
-5 000 flight pay
-6 500 overtime for 10 hours ( to 100 )
-1 200 give or take, step increase
Equals 2 700 AED LESS than I was earning for a genuine life of a labourer.....
Think hard about it if you have applied.
10,000 dhm increase, good, but
Flight pay removed (around 5000 on average PCM, loss)
Overtime limit removed! Block hours up to FTL limits, 100hrs per 28days, but that could mean upto 115/120 hrs as you can start a flight eg 16.5hrs to SFO on 99.5 hrs in your 28 days and still be legal!
Using 30 day month, 12 'free' hours productivity now for the company, 12 x600dhms =7200 dhms loss
Also talk of 1000 hrs per rolling yr total!
Bend over boys (and girls), here comes the rogering!
Well, if they're really that dumb-ass, it's time to dust off the CV...
+10 000 AED
-5 000 flight pay
-6 500 overtime for 10 hours ( to 100 )
-1 200 give or take, step increase
Equals 2 700 AED LESS than I was earning for a genuine life of a labourer.....
Think hard about it if you have applied.
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Really...we are being a little too pilot centric here. There are thousands awaiting word from upon high. Thousands world wide not just the 3700 rowers. But I would love to see the repercussions if all of the office dwellers were made to stay until 1630 everyday to become more efficient. But we know the heartbeat of this place is the IT department, and they hold all departments hostage. Won't see them increasing their productivity for a few pieces of silver.
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I find it difficult to believe that educated upper managers are lost on the negative effects of such actions...should they prove to be true, especially at a time when they need to both retain the experience they have and attract quality people.
Reading between the lines and despite all the "hype", I suspect there are bigger problems than we are aware of at hand.
What goes up, comes down...perhaps sooner than we might think.
I'm not holding out for any news from the higher floors that would reverse my decision to move to "greener" pastures where your contributions are made because you have the company interests at heart, not because you are legislated to do so while being stripped of your dignity and self respect.
Reading between the lines and despite all the "hype", I suspect there are bigger problems than we are aware of at hand.
What goes up, comes down...perhaps sooner than we might think.
I'm not holding out for any news from the higher floors that would reverse my decision to move to "greener" pastures where your contributions are made because you have the company interests at heart, not because you are legislated to do so while being stripped of your dignity and self respect.
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Habibis, as long as people keep lining up at the door, the beatings will continue.
When our masters start parking planes due to pilots telling them to go f**k themselves, that's when things will change.
Until that happens... EXPO2020!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!! HAMDULLAH!!!! STUNNING 450 sq.ft. 1 BD IN MARINA FOR RENT... ONLY 250,000 AED - ONE CHEQUE.
When our masters start parking planes due to pilots telling them to go f**k themselves, that's when things will change.
Until that happens... EXPO2020!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!! HAMDULLAH!!!! STUNNING 450 sq.ft. 1 BD IN MARINA FOR RENT... ONLY 250,000 AED - ONE CHEQUE.
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The reason for the delay is obvious.
They are not going to announce something negative during the period of runway closures when they need everyone to pull together and go the extra mile... If they lose goodwill during this period it could seriously screw the operation up.
It's the same reason we got a small bonus when we didn't even meet the target - they can't afford the loss of goodwill from ANY staff until the 20th July.
They are not going to announce something negative during the period of runway closures when they need everyone to pull together and go the extra mile... If they lose goodwill during this period it could seriously screw the operation up.
It's the same reason we got a small bonus when we didn't even meet the target - they can't afford the loss of goodwill from ANY staff until the 20th July.
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Absolutely correct, this time be prepare to swallow the biggest carrot ever...It time to fresh up our CV as this place is dead and forever.....
It is so obvious that something horrible is on this way
It is so obvious that something horrible is on this way
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I'm sure the "cost neutral pay adjustment" is sorted, otherwise they couldn't calculate a profit share target. Only thing that makes sense is waiting for regulatory approval for some sort of changes (1,000hrs? 6 days off a month, specially for the 330 guys.) As has been said, they have had a year to sort this but you can't rush the GCAA.
Whatever the GCAA rubber stamp it won't be for our benefit.
Whatever the GCAA rubber stamp it won't be for our benefit.
Can whoever made up the rumour about the extra 10k for selling your life change it to "an extra 10k to the base captain salary". As I don't think those on the top salary scale will be happy to receive an increase of 2/3rds the percentage as a newbie capt.
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Al, quite probable...
..I would say that they have a deal or 3 ready to go and are waiting to see what happens and throw the appropriate carrot/deal out there as appropriate.
..I would say that they have a deal or 3 ready to go and are waiting to see what happens and throw the appropriate carrot/deal out there as appropriate.
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Isn't it perhaps as simple as AAR refusing to give us what has been proposed to him and discussions are still on going until they can see eye to eye?
If this is the case then with all the childish face saving antics that the locals love, they will make the wrapping paper look nice but after a closer look, the present itself will be pretty 5hite.
If this is the case then with all the childish face saving antics that the locals love, they will make the wrapping paper look nice but after a closer look, the present itself will be pretty 5hite.