EK Pay review
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10,000 dhm increase, good, but
Flight pay removed (around 5000 on average PCM, loss)
Overtime limit removed! Block hours up to FTL limits, 100hrs per 28days, but that could mean upto 115/120 hrs as you can start a flight eg 16.5hrs to SFO on 99.5 hrs in your 28 days and still be legal!
Flight pay removed (around 5000 on average PCM, loss)
Overtime limit removed! Block hours up to FTL limits, 100hrs per 28days, but that could mean upto 115/120 hrs as you can start a flight eg 16.5hrs to SFO on 99.5 hrs in your 28 days and still be legal!
If anything it would be a lower salary in return for much higher flight pay a la Ryanair.
That way they reward high productivity and discourage sickness.
Anyway, time will tell I suppose.
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Have a look at HR Direct...on the intro page (at 'Proceed to HR Direct'), there's a picture of HH with 'I cannot thank you enough for your contribution. I promise to keep investing in your future'. I know it's pretty sketchy evidence for anything, but that seems a little unusual doesn't it?
Anyone think maybe that, pay review aside (cue tangent from thread), there is a hint of changes coming from the top? Could be the start of a charm offensive. Not sure how much will be charm and how much will be offensive of course...
Anyone think maybe that, pay review aside (cue tangent from thread), there is a hint of changes coming from the top? Could be the start of a charm offensive. Not sure how much will be charm and how much will be offensive of course...
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Similar message at the bottom of May pay statement.
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...an EK recruitment roadshow banner just appeared on PPRUNE...(SIN JNB roadshows)...was told by someone who knows someone in Recruitment (here we go again) that those roadshows have been a failure as of late....anybody knows differently?
One would have hoped so Craggen, but its still under review by the muppets ... Oh I mean grown ups.
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Go that extra mile.
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Isn't it perhaps as simple as AAR refusing to give us what has been proposed to him and discussions are still on going until they can see eye to eye?
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The purser on my flight this morning says they (all the cabin) got a very similar email stating that salary and accommodation allowances are still under review, with a picture of a bunch of fingertips held together, turned upwards.
He thought it was because they will hold out the accomm fund until after the current cycle thus putting off an expense for a short term. This doesn't quite make full financial sense but then a lot of what they do makes little financial sense - eg the entire A380 program!
He thought it was because they will hold out the accomm fund until after the current cycle thus putting off an expense for a short term. This doesn't quite make full financial sense but then a lot of what they do makes little financial sense - eg the entire A380 program!
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JAA...
Give it a rest mate!! We pack the planes, the people love them and we no doubt make money!! So please, stop your whining regarding the A380 program.
You sound like a jealous kid at times. Get over it... it's a money maker just like the B777. Look no further then our yearly profits. And if you try and say all the profit comes from the B777 fleet... I'll question your intelligence even more then I am right now.
Rant over. Back to the topic please...
Give it a rest mate!! We pack the planes, the people love them and we no doubt make money!! So please, stop your whining regarding the A380 program.
You sound like a jealous kid at times. Get over it... it's a money maker just like the B777. Look no further then our yearly profits. And if you try and say all the profit comes from the B777 fleet... I'll question your intelligence even more then I am right now.
Rant over. Back to the topic please...
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Rim, calm down princess, it was a joke, I didn't think anyone would actually bite... should I go back and put a smiley in it for you?
Jesus, why is it you can take a shot at any type or fleet but it's always the 380 guys who get their undies in the biggest twist as a result? Why so sensitive and defensive?? Was that a tender nerve?
Nice to see you using "we" and "our" - part of the team hey... good to see!
Jesus, why is it you can take a shot at any type or fleet but it's always the 380 guys who get their undies in the biggest twist as a result? Why so sensitive and defensive?? Was that a tender nerve?
Nice to see you using "we" and "our" - part of the team hey... good to see!
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Just to calm the waters about increasing the limit to 1000 hours - the 2014 regs state the following:
CAR-OPS 1.1125 Absolute Limits on Flying Hours
(a) No person shall act as an operating crew member of the flight crew of an aircraft if at the beginning of the flight the aggregate of all his previous flight times;
(1) during the period of 28 (twenty eight) consecutive days expiring at the end of the day on which the flight begins exceeds 100 (one hundred) block hours: or during the period of 12 (twelve months) expiring at the end of the previous month exceeds 900 (nine hundred) block hours
CAR-OPS 1.1125 Absolute Limits on Flying Hours
(a) No person shall act as an operating crew member of the flight crew of an aircraft if at the beginning of the flight the aggregate of all his previous flight times;
(1) during the period of 28 (twenty eight) consecutive days expiring at the end of the day on which the flight begins exceeds 100 (one hundred) block hours: or during the period of 12 (twelve months) expiring at the end of the previous month exceeds 900 (nine hundred) block hours
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Unless the plan has changed, EK will comply with EASA flight time limitations when they come into force on 18th Feb 2016.
The finalised version of the FTLs can be found here:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2014:028:0017:0029
N:PDF
What they do between now and then is anyone's guess.
The finalised version of the FTLs can be found here:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2014:028:0017:0029
N:PDFWhat they do between now and then is anyone's guess.
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For those with an attention span like mine, here is a comparison between the new EASA FTLs and the current Brit FTLs, on which EKs OM-A is based (so I am led to believe)....
http://www.balpa.org/getdoc/1b37bae1...A-Opinion.aspx
The "BALPA" mnemonic relates to their pilot union.
http://www.balpa.org/getdoc/1b37bae1...A-Opinion.aspx
The "BALPA" mnemonic relates to their pilot union.
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FTL's? Mmm......wonder why every ASR that refers to rest issues with cabin crew on ULR operations responds with something like;
"We do not follow the normal FDP for ULR ops and our rest strategy has been approved outside of CAAP14. There is no legal requirement for rest on ULR ops as a rest strategy has been put in place for individual pairings. The Purser has discretion on the day to reduce or increase rest depending on flight time. Crew must have equal rest but at no time must service or customer interaction be compromised blah blah blah"
So, it's ok to have completely knackered crew falling asleep on the jumpseat during landing just as long as there was good customer interaction throughout the 16hour flight. Let's not even take into account the time they're required to report.
I wonder if it had been EK instead of Asiana at SFO whether these hidden concerns would be highlighted and changed.
Harry
"We do not follow the normal FDP for ULR ops and our rest strategy has been approved outside of CAAP14. There is no legal requirement for rest on ULR ops as a rest strategy has been put in place for individual pairings. The Purser has discretion on the day to reduce or increase rest depending on flight time. Crew must have equal rest but at no time must service or customer interaction be compromised blah blah blah"
So, it's ok to have completely knackered crew falling asleep on the jumpseat during landing just as long as there was good customer interaction throughout the 16hour flight. Let's not even take into account the time they're required to report.
I wonder if it had been EK instead of Asiana at SFO whether these hidden concerns would be highlighted and changed.
Harry
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Harry,
Well said in the comparison "what if it was EK and not Asiana". I think that recording of words here are very important about some issues so that it can never be said that the crew were not concerned should anything ever happen.
There are rules and there is reality, the rules of rest and fatigue DO NOT match with reality and alertness.
If it was not for the determination of the crews and their profesional attitudes to cope with what they are dealt with, there would be, without doubt, major problems. Sadly many are trapped in a system where the need to provide for the family and to not uproot them and cause chaos to go back home due to studies etc. Personally, I have never known how dire fatigue could be until I operated with EK, it's fatigue on a whole new level.
Jack
Well said in the comparison "what if it was EK and not Asiana". I think that recording of words here are very important about some issues so that it can never be said that the crew were not concerned should anything ever happen.
There are rules and there is reality, the rules of rest and fatigue DO NOT match with reality and alertness.
If it was not for the determination of the crews and their profesional attitudes to cope with what they are dealt with, there would be, without doubt, major problems. Sadly many are trapped in a system where the need to provide for the family and to not uproot them and cause chaos to go back home due to studies etc. Personally, I have never known how dire fatigue could be until I operated with EK, it's fatigue on a whole new level.
Jack
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Back to reality and a much needed pay raise….
UAE cost of living will continue to rise... as economy booms - Emirates 24/7
UAE cost of living will continue to rise... as economy booms - Emirates 24/7