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always been one of the most vocal Airlines, opposing State subsidies and promoting open skies.
By a massive stroke of good fortune, this lot enjoy a geographical position which is made for hub and spoke operations. The only serious competitors are QR and the bunch who wont let anyone discuss them. It's very easy to claim Open Skies For All when they own the hub and the concept suits them down to the ground and they know most of these airlines won't operate a flight to/from at the drop of a hat or if they do then the cost advantage and economy of scale will negate the impact.
As for state subsidies they are happy to decry this too since they only had the one little subsidy themselves (for 100% of their start-up capital). Since then they have made money off the back of low wages (slave labour if you like) for their army of blue collar airport workers as well as favoured treatment at their home airport but you can rest assured that if they had needed more capital, they would have been given it.
Better deals on Boeings in return for COTW cooperation? Who would ever know? But nothing is on a level playing field so any self-flagellating about fair play by them is to be laughingly taken with a large dose of salt.
Instead of pulling themselves about not receiving regular capital injections (apart from that teensy little one at the start) when other airlines do, they should take a look out how other airlines around the world (are forced to) treat their staff. Imagine a US airline paying their army of baggage handlers a few dollars a day. No unions, no overtime, no holiday loading, etc.
Anything they say in the POV has foundations in BS.
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Bunk ...the only BS going on is your weak attempt at Economics..
Every global commercial entity takes advantage of inherent advantages...DAL takes advantage of an incredibly wealthy domestic market.
Coca Cola takes advantage of labor costs in the Philippines.
GM takes advantage of Mexican labor costs.
CX takes advantage of 1.4bn Chinese
That the geographic location of DXB is connecting all the worlds cities with one stop ..,lies next to a 1.2bn labor market where average earnings are $2 per day...is no-ones fault.
The problem is when the perpetual moral auditors like yourself try to take a higher platform yet will continue to use whatever advantage comes your way...
The long haul global airline business (just like LCCs) has changed...getting from Newcastle to Conakry just isn't done like it used to be.
The Dubai boom has done a lot more positives for the economies thats send labor here than if it did not exist....as to Utopia...the middle classes in these third world countries with vast labor pools continue to rise at a significant pace...any shock therapy at creating new Americas overnight in the third world is as close to reality as a Disney movie...and recent history surely underscores the point
Comparing it to a burger flipper in the US that gets paid $9 per hour is irrelevant ...that's there and here is here ....two different worlds ...but the wealth convergence continues...
...and to that end connecting the dots has never been more important.
Hello Tomorrow
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Every global commercial entity takes advantage of inherent advantages...DAL takes advantage of an incredibly wealthy domestic market.
Coca Cola takes advantage of labor costs in the Philippines.
GM takes advantage of Mexican labor costs.
CX takes advantage of 1.4bn Chinese
That the geographic location of DXB is connecting all the worlds cities with one stop ..,lies next to a 1.2bn labor market where average earnings are $2 per day...is no-ones fault.
The problem is when the perpetual moral auditors like yourself try to take a higher platform yet will continue to use whatever advantage comes your way...
The long haul global airline business (just like LCCs) has changed...getting from Newcastle to Conakry just isn't done like it used to be.
The Dubai boom has done a lot more positives for the economies thats send labor here than if it did not exist....as to Utopia...the middle classes in these third world countries with vast labor pools continue to rise at a significant pace...any shock therapy at creating new Americas overnight in the third world is as close to reality as a Disney movie...and recent history surely underscores the point
Comparing it to a burger flipper in the US that gets paid $9 per hour is irrelevant ...that's there and here is here ....two different worlds ...but the wealth convergence continues...
...and to that end connecting the dots has never been more important.
Hello Tomorrow
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BTW
The UAE just approved last night (Saudi even more) by Washington for huge arms deal (advanced cruise missiles etc) worth over $5bn dollars.
Good for American jobs and strategic regional security.
Get ready for a blowout Boeing order that will probably be the largest commercial airline transaction in history.
Great for American jobs.
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The UAE just approved last night (Saudi even more) by Washington for huge arms deal (advanced cruise missiles etc) worth over $5bn dollars.
Good for American jobs and strategic regional security.
Get ready for a blowout Boeing order that will probably be the largest commercial airline transaction in history.
Great for American jobs.
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What should EK do?
Pay US average wage to their workers.
It's purely demand and supply.
Stop being emotionally dramatic by using the word 'slave'.
It invalidates your position.
Companies take advantage of their geographic positioning. No one is forced to stay at EK. I'm not comparing it to working at Google (who have their intl tax base in Ireland - inherent geographic advantage - sound familiar?)
It's a regional economic model taking advantage of the supply curve...no press gangs in the streets of Calcutta wearing red and beige my friend.
As for EK pilots with StockSyn. Plenty of jobs available to us at $240k + per year out there in Utopia but we can't leave because we are held prisoner in the Polo Club.?..riiighhht.
I never say this place is perfect...NEVER...but I am free to go.
We can call our sister ugly not you...because we live it.
And if you are at EK and consider it slavery.... Then FCUKn leave whydontcha
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What should EK do?
Pay US average wage to their workers.
It's purely demand and supply.
Stop being emotionally dramatic by using the word 'slave'.
It invalidates your position.
Companies take advantage of their geographic positioning. No one is forced to stay at EK. I'm not comparing it to working at Google (who have their intl tax base in Ireland - inherent geographic advantage - sound familiar?)
It's a regional economic model taking advantage of the supply curve...no press gangs in the streets of Calcutta wearing red and beige my friend.
As for EK pilots with StockSyn. Plenty of jobs available to us at $240k + per year out there in Utopia but we can't leave because we are held prisoner in the Polo Club.?..riiighhht.
I never say this place is perfect...NEVER...but I am free to go.
We can call our sister ugly not you...because we live it.
And if you are at EK and consider it slavery.... Then FCUKn leave whydontcha
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Stex, good to see you back. 
Fliion, while stating a lot of plainly obvious realities, you've managed to miss the point of the thread and the point of many of the posts.
But then having an American expound on geo-political economics and global corporate realities is a bit like listening to Kanye West holding court on the virtues of Luciano Pavarotti!
Maybe that's why they don't have pilots in upper management of airlines anymore. 
Statements such as "The Dubai boom has done a lot more positives for the economies thats send labor here than if it did not exist"..... it's hard to know where to begin with that. You are careless with the statements you make AND don't seem to pay attention to what's going on in the country and the world, MSM or otherwise.
Morals? You're confusing me with someone who g.a.s! That's okay, I don't care but please do try reading the entire thread again and try to follow the theme or if you prefer, continue with your incomplete, dis-jointed, contradictory and random "observations" and maybe someone will take it half-seriously. But only if you work on your sentence structure!
Cheers,
Bunk
Fliion, while stating a lot of plainly obvious realities, you've managed to miss the point of the thread and the point of many of the posts.
But then having an American expound on geo-political economics and global corporate realities is a bit like listening to Kanye West holding court on the virtues of Luciano Pavarotti!
Maybe that's why they don't have pilots in upper management of airlines anymore. Statements such as "The Dubai boom has done a lot more positives for the economies thats send labor here than if it did not exist"..... it's hard to know where to begin with that. You are careless with the statements you make AND don't seem to pay attention to what's going on in the country and the world, MSM or otherwise.
Morals? You're confusing me with someone who g.a.s! That's okay, I don't care but please do try reading the entire thread again and try to follow the theme or if you prefer, continue with your incomplete, dis-jointed, contradictory and random "observations" and maybe someone will take it half-seriously. But only if you work on your sentence structure!
Cheers,
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A Stex fan huh?
Says it all...you too can reapply in two years..
You don't work here... Now go luck up Stockholm syndrome again...
Maybe the French girls who had their heads shaved in '45 will be a better visual for your intellect.
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Says it all...you too can reapply in two years..
You don't work here... Now go luck up Stockholm syndrome again...
Maybe the French girls who had their heads shaved in '45 will be a better visual for your intellect.
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Fellas, let's just remember this, we are all just pilots who fly airplanes trying to make money to provide for our families. None of us make policy for any of the airlines we work for. So who really cares who flies where, or what companies do? Everyone makes decisions based on personal preference and what they deem to be best for their career. Every airline has it's good and bad. All this this bickering amongst ourselves is exactly what they want. So continue to argue if you want, I'm guilty of it sometimes as well, but it will change nothing. Emirates will continue to exploit whatever advantage it can and the other airlines will continue to whine about it. It makes no difference to what we all do on a day to day basis which is to get people from A to B as safely, efficiently, and professionally as possible. If any of us were that smart or had all the answers we would be running airlines not flying airplanes.
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If we look at the MXP-JFK arguement it doesn't hold water.
There is competition on that route. DL, AA and AZ all fly that route. All three of the above airlines fly that route with 3 pilots, three highly paid pilots who are not slaving 93 hard time hours a month. EK is flying the route with 2 pilots who stay at the airport hotel. DL and AA are downtown.
While EK 777 pilots are some of the lowest paid 777 pilots in the world Delta and AA are Industry Leading even with AA coming out of bankruptcy and again they are not working over 90 hours a month.
Filon you are such an idiot. We all know you are not flying your Furlough Jet anymore and EK is the best job you ever had or ever will have. But look around and see how Ek stacks up against other 777 operators. It sucks! Look who they are recruiting, 2600 hr narrowbody LCCs. If EK was such a great airline they would be getting top line pilots from top-tier airlines not RJ pilots happy to be flying big jets.
There is competition on that route. DL, AA and AZ all fly that route. All three of the above airlines fly that route with 3 pilots, three highly paid pilots who are not slaving 93 hard time hours a month. EK is flying the route with 2 pilots who stay at the airport hotel. DL and AA are downtown.
While EK 777 pilots are some of the lowest paid 777 pilots in the world Delta and AA are Industry Leading even with AA coming out of bankruptcy and again they are not working over 90 hours a month.
Filon you are such an idiot. We all know you are not flying your Furlough Jet anymore and EK is the best job you ever had or ever will have. But look around and see how Ek stacks up against other 777 operators. It sucks! Look who they are recruiting, 2600 hr narrowbody LCCs. If EK was such a great airline they would be getting top line pilots from top-tier airlines not RJ pilots happy to be flying big jets.
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While EK 777 pilots are some of the lowest paid 777 pilots in the world Delta and AA are Industry Leading even with AA coming out of bankruptcy and again they are not working over 90 hours a month.
Filon you are such an idiot.
Filon you are such an idiot.
Don't really care about this debate, but when reading this I just have to respond.
Cash in pocket after taxes and monthly expenses would be how I measure income. By that method I would argue that EK pilots make more than Delta and AA pilots and are some of the highest paid in the world. For an EK Captain to leave EK and return to the USA with a comparable after tax income he/she would have to have a salary in excess of $300,000/year.
It sucks! Look who they are recruiting, 2600 hr narrowbody LCCs. If EK was such a great airline they would be getting top line pilots from top-tier airlines not RJ pilots happy to be flying big jets.
That would be the minimum qualification to join as a new hire F.O.. Remind me again what the minimums are at the U.S. majors? EK has no shortage of former U.S. legacy pilots, European legacy pilots (to include British Airways, SAS, Swiss, Austrian, Lufthansa), as well as Cathay, Singapore, South African Airways, Qantas, and Air New Zealand pilots.
I would argue the average experience and competency of the new hire pilot at EK is far higher than the average one at a U.S. major.
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"...EK 777 pilots are some of the lowest paid 777 pilots in the world..."
Really? Firstly, Emirates only operates widebody aircraft so there is no cutting of teeth on the shorthaul narrowbody. That's done with previous Airlines. You join, therefore, as a junior pilot earning x amount which is probably more than your previous Company or else you wouldn't be here. Granted, there are a lot more RJ drivers as are half of Ryanair. Result is a mixed bag for sure so I don't disagree that it's Utopia for some. However, as a ten year veteran in the Company, my take home is greater than a B777 training Captain in BA. I doubt many would take home 12,000 sterling each month and BA are hardly renowned as low payers! As for the 92 hours, some months are easy, some are harder. I may not get as many days off as my colleague in BA or have the union 'protection' but I have to live with that. 10-14 OFF a month works for me and trips are short so more quality time with family. I don't commute, my family and my life are here.
As for comparing Delta or AA, they would need $19,000 each month, net regardless of aircraft type? I wonder what percentage of pilots fly these widebodies and how long did they have to wait? As for the route structure, how many B777 operators offer the choice of 40min DOH to 16 hour SFO.
Finally, Stockholm syndrome? call it what you will. Is there a shame to feeling either some loyalty or pride to the Company we work for. Judging by the frequent posts, maybe there is. I'd hardly call myself sycophantic but at least I enjoy working here. I do a job that I always wanted to do as a kid, see new places almost every month, fly with pretty young girls (
) meet new and mostly enthusiastic people, my own boss in a fantastic aircraft that's sometimes only weeks old with the best view and, I get paid each and every month by a financially strong Company. Am I not allowed to be happy with that?
Really? Firstly, Emirates only operates widebody aircraft so there is no cutting of teeth on the shorthaul narrowbody. That's done with previous Airlines. You join, therefore, as a junior pilot earning x amount which is probably more than your previous Company or else you wouldn't be here. Granted, there are a lot more RJ drivers as are half of Ryanair. Result is a mixed bag for sure so I don't disagree that it's Utopia for some. However, as a ten year veteran in the Company, my take home is greater than a B777 training Captain in BA. I doubt many would take home 12,000 sterling each month and BA are hardly renowned as low payers! As for the 92 hours, some months are easy, some are harder. I may not get as many days off as my colleague in BA or have the union 'protection' but I have to live with that. 10-14 OFF a month works for me and trips are short so more quality time with family. I don't commute, my family and my life are here.
As for comparing Delta or AA, they would need $19,000 each month, net regardless of aircraft type? I wonder what percentage of pilots fly these widebodies and how long did they have to wait? As for the route structure, how many B777 operators offer the choice of 40min DOH to 16 hour SFO.
Finally, Stockholm syndrome? call it what you will. Is there a shame to feeling either some loyalty or pride to the Company we work for. Judging by the frequent posts, maybe there is. I'd hardly call myself sycophantic but at least I enjoy working here. I do a job that I always wanted to do as a kid, see new places almost every month, fly with pretty young girls (
) meet new and mostly enthusiastic people, my own boss in a fantastic aircraft that's sometimes only weeks old with the best view and, I get paid each and every month by a financially strong Company. Am I not allowed to be happy with that?
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TP & BYMONEK have covered it in a nicer way than I would...so I will leave it at that.
Getting hired at EK is based on merit...not aircraft size...
And on the RJ (furlough jet? :> ) note...what the US Majors don't hire RJ or narrowbody LCC pilots?
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TP & BYMONEK have covered it in a nicer way than I would...so I will leave it at that.
Getting hired at EK is based on merit...not aircraft size...
And on the RJ (furlough jet? :> ) note...what the US Majors don't hire RJ or narrowbody LCC pilots?
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Let's put the slave "thing" away:
EK crew apply to join, are selected, and are able to leave any time. When I've had enough, or a better/more suitable offer appears, I'm outta here! Halas.
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As one of the repressed low-paid EK pilots, I tug my forelock and avert my eyes in shame as I reveal the fact that I received $27,412 from Emirates last month. This is a normal pay check but the amount stated includes the $2438 dollars that magically appeared in my Provident Fund and the accomodation allowance. The value-added of my kid's school fees, medical cover, life insurance and loss of licence insurance is not included in the figure.
I make that $330,000 a year, in hand, with six weeks holidays.
I await the posting revealing the salary details from one of the highly-paid pilots.
I make that $330,000 a year, in hand, with six weeks holidays.
I await the posting revealing the salary details from one of the highly-paid pilots.
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Delta Minimums
For what it's worth (and someone asked)... Delta - Pilot Basics
Delta - Pilot Basics
General Requirements
- Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a recognized accredited organization
- Postgraduate education will be given favorable consideration.
- Current passport or other travel documents enabling the bearer to freely exit and re-enter the U.S. (multiple reentry status) and be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents)
FAA Requirements
- FAA commercial fixed-wing pilot license with an instrument rating
- Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
- Passing score on FAA ATP written exam preferred
Flight Time Requirements
- Minimum of 1,200 hours of total documented flight time
- Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time
And just for a matter of fun.... I looked up Mesa Airlines (example of regional airline in US)
- 1500 hours Total Flight Time
Delta - Pilot Basics
General Requirements
- Graduate of a four-year degree program from a college or university accredited by a recognized accredited organization
- Postgraduate education will be given favorable consideration.
- Current passport or other travel documents enabling the bearer to freely exit and re-enter the U.S. (multiple reentry status) and be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents)
FAA Requirements
- FAA commercial fixed-wing pilot license with an instrument rating
- Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
- Passing score on FAA ATP written exam preferred
Flight Time Requirements
- Minimum of 1,200 hours of total documented flight time
- Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time
And just for a matter of fun.... I looked up Mesa Airlines (example of regional airline in US)
- 1500 hours Total Flight Time
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Originally Posted by new tomcat
AA are Industry Leading even with AA coming out of bankruptcy
And I agree with Dropp, Fliion, TP, and BYMONEK; all well said!
I think this is one of the most ironic statements I've seen for a long time!!!! Good salary at the expense of the company's creditors
Chapter 11 is a glaring example of a Government imposed commercial advantage.
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Chapter 11 is a glaring example of a Government imposed commercial advantage.
I wonder how the US airline scene would look today if it were not for Chapter 11 protectionism that occurred, more than once for some carriers, throughout the 2000s?
Well, virtually every major would have ceased to exist, and the entire scene would be dominated by what are now second level players.
Tom likes to spruke how good things are at Delta. Jet Blue, Spirit, Virgin America, and Trans Air (Before the SW takeover) pay NOTHING like what the legacy carriers do- and THEN there's what the US regionals pay!
BUT protected by their archaic Government protectionist bankruptcy laws, the Unions insist the Majors pay through the nose, knowing they can go broke on Friday, but will still be flying on Saturday.
Introduce a TRUE level playing field- even in the US Domestic market- and see who long Toms gravy train lasts!!
Tom likes to spruke how good things are at Delta. Jet Blue, Spirit, Virgin America, and Trans Air (Before the SW takeover) pay NOTHING like what the legacy carriers do- and THEN there's what the US regionals pay!
BUT protected by their archaic Government protectionist bankruptcy laws, the Unions insist the Majors pay through the nose, knowing they can go broke on Friday, but will still be flying on Saturday.
Introduce a TRUE level playing field- even in the US Domestic market- and see who long Toms gravy train lasts!!
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It is always nice to hear from pilots that think they have it good. I will leave my comments for Wiz to the end of my post.
Yes I have a lot to do with Chapter 11. Almost as much as you have to do with your non existent contract. Notice I said almost.
First let's go to pay. A Delta 777 FO makes $184 an hour. Since he is flying for a real airline that honors unions, right to work, rule of law and contracts he only flies 75 hours a month. That is $13,800 a month at 75 flying hours of which a portion would be credit. Do you know what credit hours' means? Probably not since EK pilots do not enjoy a contract of any significance.
Even though the FO gets paid for 75 flying hours he only probably flies anywhere from 65-75 hours a month. What a concept?
In addition he would get paid for sim, vacation, sick time, over water and night pay further lowering his 75 hour requirement. If he wants to pick up a trip on his days off he gets 1 1/2 or even double time. Wow! Let's throw in Equipment Substitution Pay, Cancellation Pay and Trip Credit which you have no idea what I am talking about but you can look it up.
The same EK captain would get in the neighborhood of $12,500 a month. That would be for 92-95 hours of hard time. NO CREDIT WHATSOEVER not even for his Sim or Vacation. So for potentially flying 30% more the EK captain gets 10% less pay. Has anyone noticed that a I compared a Delta FO to an EK Capt? A Delta 777 Capt would make $270 an hour!
Another Wow factor is the Delta FO only works 9-12 days a month. Yes that is work days and not Off days. What does the EK Capt work, 12-15 days Off? Yeah that is a close comparison.
Yes I know the EK pilot gets a house. I have seen the houses in Dubai. It is hard to complain about a free house but most houses are rather small with no yard to speak of.
Most American pilots spend 1-2 months to educate their kids in the UAE but we won't deduct that.
Also Americans have to pay US taxes when living abroad so their low salary at EK compared to other 777 pilots is taxed at the high rate in the US further lowering the advantage of working overseas. I don't have anything to do with that concept either.
Are you really comparing Delta to EK for pilots?
EK pilot lives in a world where he does not know what the company is going to take away next. How is your bidding system? What are they going to take away from you next? Do you think EK is going to steal your Bonus for the 3rd year in a row? I would bet Wiz a month salary that EK steals it again for a Three-Peat.
If it is so good there why are you getting the pilots you are getting? Yes I know. Someone pointed out Delta's mins. Yes that is the minimum. Again I would bet Wiz that our new hire classes are filled with pilots with over 10,000 flying hours. There isn't a snowball chance in hell that EK will get a pilot, any pilot with even 5,000 hours. 2,500 hour Ryan Air pilots are the norm and you know it.
Also if it is so good there why does our Training Dept have over 225 inquires from EK pilots about getting hired at Delta? Word is UAL has about the same with numerous EK pilots wanting to leave for DL, UAL, AA or SWA. Sorry Wiz I like to compare apples to apples, you can take your REX airlines and take Spirit and the Furlough Jets. Noticed how I compared widebody pilots to widebody pilots? But EK is good for you Wiz. Not many airlines would hire a Twice Taken
especially in Aus.
Yes I have a lot to do with Chapter 11. Almost as much as you have to do with your non existent contract. Notice I said almost.
First let's go to pay. A Delta 777 FO makes $184 an hour. Since he is flying for a real airline that honors unions, right to work, rule of law and contracts he only flies 75 hours a month. That is $13,800 a month at 75 flying hours of which a portion would be credit. Do you know what credit hours' means? Probably not since EK pilots do not enjoy a contract of any significance.
Even though the FO gets paid for 75 flying hours he only probably flies anywhere from 65-75 hours a month. What a concept?
In addition he would get paid for sim, vacation, sick time, over water and night pay further lowering his 75 hour requirement. If he wants to pick up a trip on his days off he gets 1 1/2 or even double time. Wow! Let's throw in Equipment Substitution Pay, Cancellation Pay and Trip Credit which you have no idea what I am talking about but you can look it up.
The same EK captain would get in the neighborhood of $12,500 a month. That would be for 92-95 hours of hard time. NO CREDIT WHATSOEVER not even for his Sim or Vacation. So for potentially flying 30% more the EK captain gets 10% less pay. Has anyone noticed that a I compared a Delta FO to an EK Capt? A Delta 777 Capt would make $270 an hour!
Another Wow factor is the Delta FO only works 9-12 days a month. Yes that is work days and not Off days. What does the EK Capt work, 12-15 days Off? Yeah that is a close comparison.
Yes I know the EK pilot gets a house. I have seen the houses in Dubai. It is hard to complain about a free house but most houses are rather small with no yard to speak of.
Most American pilots spend 1-2 months to educate their kids in the UAE but we won't deduct that.
Also Americans have to pay US taxes when living abroad so their low salary at EK compared to other 777 pilots is taxed at the high rate in the US further lowering the advantage of working overseas. I don't have anything to do with that concept either.
Are you really comparing Delta to EK for pilots?
EK pilot lives in a world where he does not know what the company is going to take away next. How is your bidding system? What are they going to take away from you next? Do you think EK is going to steal your Bonus for the 3rd year in a row? I would bet Wiz a month salary that EK steals it again for a Three-Peat.
If it is so good there why are you getting the pilots you are getting? Yes I know. Someone pointed out Delta's mins. Yes that is the minimum. Again I would bet Wiz that our new hire classes are filled with pilots with over 10,000 flying hours. There isn't a snowball chance in hell that EK will get a pilot, any pilot with even 5,000 hours. 2,500 hour Ryan Air pilots are the norm and you know it.
Also if it is so good there why does our Training Dept have over 225 inquires from EK pilots about getting hired at Delta? Word is UAL has about the same with numerous EK pilots wanting to leave for DL, UAL, AA or SWA. Sorry Wiz I like to compare apples to apples, you can take your REX airlines and take Spirit and the Furlough Jets. Noticed how I compared widebody pilots to widebody pilots? But EK is good for you Wiz. Not many airlines would hire a Twice Taken
especially in Aus.
I've recently trained pilots into the RHS that have over 10 000hrs, most of it heavy Jet, Tom.
You spout about credit hours- because, of COURSE the US system is the ONLY system that exists.
Ask most European, Australian, or Asian Pilots about that. But HEY! The US is the ONLY system that counts, right??
And my compatriots make up most of the flight management of three of the five biggest airlines in Australia, with others happily employed by the other two.
What would a 7 year Delta pilot earn, Tom? That's where I am, and my last pay was 20,500US including provident fund- but NOT including the approximately 33K the company pays per year to school my kids, nor the rent free house. If I opted out, it would have been 25K- get that after 7 years at Delta do you?
But all of this is totally irrelevant.
I have no doubt you are a typical hypocritical Yank who is all about the free market and good 'ol competition- RIGHT UP till it might effect you.
Then, suddenly, we are a Union thumping, Protectionism pushing socialist.
ARE YOU SAYING companies with a commercial advantage should be prevented from exercising the same?
If so, please tell me where your car, computer, phone, shirt and shoes are made, and what rights the workers who made them enjoyed.
You have seriously no idea what the hell you are talking about.
You spout about credit hours- because, of COURSE the US system is the ONLY system that exists.
Ask most European, Australian, or Asian Pilots about that. But HEY! The US is the ONLY system that counts, right??
And my compatriots make up most of the flight management of three of the five biggest airlines in Australia, with others happily employed by the other two.
The same EK captain would get in the neighborhood of $12,500 a month
But all of this is totally irrelevant.
I have no doubt you are a typical hypocritical Yank who is all about the free market and good 'ol competition- RIGHT UP till it might effect you.
Then, suddenly, we are a Union thumping, Protectionism pushing socialist.
ARE YOU SAYING companies with a commercial advantage should be prevented from exercising the same?
If so, please tell me where your car, computer, phone, shirt and shoes are made, and what rights the workers who made them enjoyed.
You have seriously no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Last edited by Wizofoz; 21st Oct 2013 at 19:06.