Why do pilots Join EK??
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From: KUL
payload/range
There is also something called the payload/range diagram. Both the 345 and 388 can take their maximum payload farther than the 773ER. The shorter the design range for maximum payload, the higher the percentage of payload as part of MTOW. Examples to the extreme:
Pt.103 microlight: Payload >50% of MTOW.
Saturn V: Payload <1% of MTOW
Pt.103 microlight: Payload >50% of MTOW.
Saturn V: Payload <1% of MTOW
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From: Michigan
For all the talk of how heavy the A-380 is the bottom line is that those pilots get paid the same as the A-310 and every other airplane at EK. So the "heavy" pilots are doing it all for the same pay as the rest of us not including all the problems and delays they have.
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From: OZ
Mine's about an 11 when cold at the gate, gets to about, oh I don't know, maybe a 16 or 17 warmed up at the hold point. Could stay airborne for 45 mins or so when it's hours were low but these days alot less than that. Doesn't fly much actually but gets out now and then for re-certification. As it's an Airbus, its of course metric.. Love to have one of those Super Jumbos you guys talk about.....
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From: Michigan
Remuneration? Middle of the road at best. After all we don't see many LH, DL, AF, AA or CP pilots at EK. We do see a lot of UK charter, Canadians, and 50 seat jet pilots living the dream in the sand.
Wide body jets? Yes EK has a lot of them. But as I alluded to earlier it is not the size of your airplane but the size of your paycheck and EK is a middle of the road airline for pay at best.
Route structure? Emirates goes to a lot of places, some good some really bad. I have seen the world as has all of the pilots here and the world sucks. Except for wester Europe, OZ, and the US you can have the 3rd world !!!!e holes.
Time to command? Depends where you come from. Some airlines have better time to command some have worse. With EK going on 5-6 years and possibly longer if they hire the dreaded DECs your mileage may be longer than you think or hope.
EK better than 99% of other airlines? You got to be kidding us! Maybe better than 50% of the !!!!e airlines out there but like I said not better than truly world class airlines that actually honor contracts and treat their employees with respect and not like a commodity.
If you want to join Ek I guess it come down to two things. Where your passport is from and what airline you are flying for. But buyer beware at Ek and Dubai. It is not the shinny glitsy city or airline that they make it out to be. You will be disapointed if you do join.
Wide body jets? Yes EK has a lot of them. But as I alluded to earlier it is not the size of your airplane but the size of your paycheck and EK is a middle of the road airline for pay at best.
Route structure? Emirates goes to a lot of places, some good some really bad. I have seen the world as has all of the pilots here and the world sucks. Except for wester Europe, OZ, and the US you can have the 3rd world !!!!e holes.
Time to command? Depends where you come from. Some airlines have better time to command some have worse. With EK going on 5-6 years and possibly longer if they hire the dreaded DECs your mileage may be longer than you think or hope.
EK better than 99% of other airlines? You got to be kidding us! Maybe better than 50% of the !!!!e airlines out there but like I said not better than truly world class airlines that actually honor contracts and treat their employees with respect and not like a commodity.
If you want to join Ek I guess it come down to two things. Where your passport is from and what airline you are flying for. But buyer beware at Ek and Dubai. It is not the shinny glitsy city or airline that they make it out to be. You will be disapointed if you do join.
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From: UK
Guys,
I've been reading with interest the criticism that EK receives from a few people on here. What really baffles me [and it doesn't take alot] is how EK is considered bad in the eyes of many, but which other airlines in the world today offers a better over all package?
Let's take a quick look at the UK! Ryanair, Easy jet, BA,Virgin,Jet2,Flybe etc.............No!
Europe! Air france, KLM,LH, Iberia or how about Wizzair, Malev, Air Europa etc etc...............No!
USA.......................No
South/central America......Mexicana...oh no they ve just gone bust!
Asia...................... Maybe Cathay ??
Australia.................Maybe Quantas??
We talk about EK changing contracts without consultation with its employees. We have Balpa here in the UK and if the airline want to lay pilots off, they will whether you are being represented by Balpa, IPA or Rumpole of the Bailey. They may give you 30 or 90 days to get out but the end reult is still the same..........you are out!
Maybe and just maybe, they guys who hate life in Dubai and EK should do the decent thing and leave and head back to the wonderful seasonal contracts at Ryanair, or Easyjet and consider going to VS where it takes about 15 years to command with a few redundancies thrown in for good measure. I get the f*&king feeling with some people that no matter what they were getting paid, or no matter how good the aircraft are etc etc, they would still complain and moan about life there. Well fine...just leave then! End of!! Hand your notice in and head off to better T & C's else where and let the guys who are looking at making a life/career for themselves and their familes in the UAE go there without all this boll*&%ks all the time.
The next thing you'll be moaning about is its hot and got lots of sand there too....oh hang, on you do already!! Like I've said aviation is far from perfect and EK is no exception, but take a very hard look around and come back to me and tell everyone here which other airlines are offering a packakge that competes with Emirates? Genuine answers please based on facts and not because you are fed up with the sun and sand.
I've been reading with interest the criticism that EK receives from a few people on here. What really baffles me [and it doesn't take alot] is how EK is considered bad in the eyes of many, but which other airlines in the world today offers a better over all package?
Let's take a quick look at the UK! Ryanair, Easy jet, BA,Virgin,Jet2,Flybe etc.............No!
Europe! Air france, KLM,LH, Iberia or how about Wizzair, Malev, Air Europa etc etc...............No!
USA.......................No
South/central America......Mexicana...oh no they ve just gone bust!
Asia...................... Maybe Cathay ??
Australia.................Maybe Quantas??
We talk about EK changing contracts without consultation with its employees. We have Balpa here in the UK and if the airline want to lay pilots off, they will whether you are being represented by Balpa, IPA or Rumpole of the Bailey. They may give you 30 or 90 days to get out but the end reult is still the same..........you are out!
Maybe and just maybe, they guys who hate life in Dubai and EK should do the decent thing and leave and head back to the wonderful seasonal contracts at Ryanair, or Easyjet and consider going to VS where it takes about 15 years to command with a few redundancies thrown in for good measure. I get the f*&king feeling with some people that no matter what they were getting paid, or no matter how good the aircraft are etc etc, they would still complain and moan about life there. Well fine...just leave then! End of!! Hand your notice in and head off to better T & C's else where and let the guys who are looking at making a life/career for themselves and their familes in the UAE go there without all this boll*&%ks all the time.
The next thing you'll be moaning about is its hot and got lots of sand there too....oh hang, on you do already!! Like I've said aviation is far from perfect and EK is no exception, but take a very hard look around and come back to me and tell everyone here which other airlines are offering a packakge that competes with Emirates? Genuine answers please based on facts and not because you are fed up with the sun and sand.
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From: Post-Pit and Lovin' It.
??? what the???
Are you a bean counter or something? Of course you have figures to back your claims.
Are you a bean counter or something? Of course you have figures to back your claims.
None of which changes the fact that the thing is pretty repulsive to observe from the outside. I mean whether women or airplanes, having the biggest girth and weight is not usually considered desirable! lol
Best 380 joke circulating: it's kind of like a va-J-J...ugly to look at, but pretty comfortable once you're inside!
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From: UK
Im no expert on anything except porn, but by your tone, you are!! I've been through the selection and passed it and just wainting for a start date. I know an awful lot of pilots there who are loving it. So I hope that answers your question. I am not defending EK or claiming I am an expert.
I just simply dont get all these moaning t*ats that slag off the company and yet years later they are still there, or claiming it's crap, as if the other airlines elsewhere are so much better; or maybe there and I can't find them!
Maybe you can go go back to my original thread and give me your opinion on what I asked earlier?
I just simply dont get all these moaning t*ats that slag off the company and yet years later they are still there, or claiming it's crap, as if the other airlines elsewhere are so much better; or maybe there and I can't find them!
Maybe you can go go back to my original thread and give me your opinion on what I asked earlier?
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From: overthere
Too bloody right Si jet.
And of course all those other airlines you mentioned are making $1billion profit during the wolds worse ever financial crisis. Oh wait there, no they aren't!!! Good to see EK now compared to easyjet and ryanair. Oh how things have changed.
Should we sit back and watch our conditions erode without saying anything just because they may be better than the conditions you enjoy? Hmmmmm, that seems like pilot logic. Shouldn't we support each other, we fight for our conditions, and hopefully maintain a good remuneration package for you to join, wouldn't that eventually filter down to other airlines as well? Supply and demand and all. As long as pilots are willing to work for less and less the spiral will continue and the bean counters will smile as they bank their extra bonuses. What other profession would make a statement like yours? "Oi you lot...work for the same miserly amount as we do and stop your bitching!" Where will this stop? Will we all end up on a brand new flight instructor pay forever? If you have a lower limit of what you think we should all be reduced to please tell us your facts? If you can't find something wrong with this you need to take a cup of tea and a little lie down.
I know there is no intelligence test when deciding who can hold an ATPL, but sometimes the way pilots are ready to roll over and work for less than someone else to get ahead disappoints me.
As a wise man once said, pilot unions are there to protect pilots from pilots.
The Don
And if anyone really gives a sh@t what kind of metal they are locked into for hour after hour, you need to get a hobby!!!
Nolimit...you see these hundred extra seats that you say the 180 has are in the 1st and bussiness class cabins....you see they pay more for there tickets in these cabins than all those economy pax that the cripple 7 carries. That's how it makes more money. Cant draw the pictures here, but hope you understand all the same. And no i do not get locked in a 380 and could not care less what out preforms what.
And of course all those other airlines you mentioned are making $1billion profit during the wolds worse ever financial crisis. Oh wait there, no they aren't!!! Good to see EK now compared to easyjet and ryanair. Oh how things have changed.
Should we sit back and watch our conditions erode without saying anything just because they may be better than the conditions you enjoy? Hmmmmm, that seems like pilot logic. Shouldn't we support each other, we fight for our conditions, and hopefully maintain a good remuneration package for you to join, wouldn't that eventually filter down to other airlines as well? Supply and demand and all. As long as pilots are willing to work for less and less the spiral will continue and the bean counters will smile as they bank their extra bonuses. What other profession would make a statement like yours? "Oi you lot...work for the same miserly amount as we do and stop your bitching!" Where will this stop? Will we all end up on a brand new flight instructor pay forever? If you have a lower limit of what you think we should all be reduced to please tell us your facts? If you can't find something wrong with this you need to take a cup of tea and a little lie down.
I know there is no intelligence test when deciding who can hold an ATPL, but sometimes the way pilots are ready to roll over and work for less than someone else to get ahead disappoints me.
As a wise man once said, pilot unions are there to protect pilots from pilots.
The Don
And if anyone really gives a sh@t what kind of metal they are locked into for hour after hour, you need to get a hobby!!!
Nolimit...you see these hundred extra seats that you say the 180 has are in the 1st and bussiness class cabins....you see they pay more for there tickets in these cabins than all those economy pax that the cripple 7 carries. That's how it makes more money. Cant draw the pictures here, but hope you understand all the same. And no i do not get locked in a 380 and could not care less what out preforms what.
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From: West Country
Thread Starter
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From: In the clouds
Very interesting numbers here... both A380 and B777!! A320 ...well different story 
Anyways ... can anyone comment on the A330 and A340 routes, like destinations and layovers... stuff like that!
Also, how is life arround the appartment buldings for no kids guys like me...!!??? Shopping malls..anything for the wife to do while husband is "working" ...lol
Anyways ... can anyone comment on the A330 and A340 routes, like destinations and layovers... stuff like that!
Also, how is life arround the appartment buldings for no kids guys like me...!!??? Shopping malls..anything for the wife to do while husband is "working" ...lol
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
Also, (and it ain't rocket science) - If you have 517 people to cart to London. Which is it going to be cheaper to do. - use 1 x A380, or 2 x clapped out 777s?
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From: Anywhere there are cats to chase.
Wiz...
Use 1 380, carry all the pax and maybe all their bags, and no cargo.
OR
Use 2 777's, carry all the pax, all the bags, AND a $hitload of freight.
Would you still use a "Maybe"?
The yield is simply so much better on the Boeing.
How can AB market that thing as eco-friendly?
OR
Use 2 777's, carry all the pax, all the bags, AND a $hitload of freight
.Would you still use a "Maybe"?
The yield is simply so much better on the Boeing.
How can AB market that thing as eco-friendly?
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From: The Umm Ramool Flying Club: Proud Member
People are NOT where the money is 380-800. In FY 2009 the Airlines with the highest operating profit in the world were 1. FedEx and 2. UPS, both of whom do not carry people. Boxes require 0 cabin crew, 0 in flight meals, 0 Lav's and make an all around lighter aircraft and much lower operating cost. Not to mention the highest paid pilots in the world are 1. FedEx and 2. UPS.
Cargo is king
A380-800 you are starting to sound like a noob, lay off before you give yourself a bad rep.
Sources WSJ and Airlinepilotscentral.com
Cargo is king
A380-800 you are starting to sound like a noob, lay off before you give yourself a bad rep.
Sources WSJ and Airlinepilotscentral.com
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From: Post-Pit and Lovin' It.
A380-800,
holy crap..."cripple 7"...wow...that's about as funny as the "A-180"....*yawn* I'm thinking of changing my name to the a/c I fly...so I can be as cool...let me guess, big Airbus stickers on the flight bag, but won't admit your last job was the RJ out of Armpit, Wisconsin? My CC friends on the 380 have met a few of those types, I think it's a fair bet they've crossed paths with ya. Do say hello and don't forget to remind them about the takeoff and landing weights. They might act disinterested but deep down they're really just dying to hear more!
lol and don't worry....from my admittedly unscientific informal polling of fellow Crippled drivers, not a single one is exactly making a stampede over to join you. So you are safe to revel in your Super glory!
Sorry, but I'm hardly convinced that the A380 makes more than the thinnest of margins, if any, and THAT only due to massive discounts by a desperate manufacturer. Time will tell I suppose. It's not like economics (or anything else) about Emirates or the ME is transparent or honest.
holy crap..."cripple 7"...wow...that's about as funny as the "A-180"....*yawn* I'm thinking of changing my name to the a/c I fly...so I can be as cool...let me guess, big Airbus stickers on the flight bag, but won't admit your last job was the RJ out of Armpit, Wisconsin? My CC friends on the 380 have met a few of those types, I think it's a fair bet they've crossed paths with ya. Do say hello and don't forget to remind them about the takeoff and landing weights. They might act disinterested but deep down they're really just dying to hear more!
lol and don't worry....from my admittedly unscientific informal polling of fellow Crippled drivers, not a single one is exactly making a stampede over to join you. So you are safe to revel in your Super glory!
Sorry, but I'm hardly convinced that the A380 makes more than the thinnest of margins, if any, and THAT only due to massive discounts by a desperate manufacturer. Time will tell I suppose. It's not like economics (or anything else) about Emirates or the ME is transparent or honest.