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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 01:45
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cyrilroy21 very true that is the objective of the MPL to get low time pilot faster as a line FO; for a normal CPL it takes a lot of line training to release them as an FO.

With regards to paying for training this is a commercial issue and will be different from each airline. Mind you even BA and LH MPL cadets pay for their training.

Airlines now treat pilot training just like and MBA or engineering degree that the student must pay himself before he can be eligible for a job. Thats the hard fact.

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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 03:30
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MPL / ATPL Conversion

Hi guys, while flying back to Sharjah, one of the X-Clark MPL holder (an ABY FO) was with me as a Passenger & we discussed this matter, here is what I know as a fact:

Fact 1: Surprisingly, all of the MPL holders (X-Clark) who joined ABY 20 months ago, are converting their licenses to ATPL, so we might here the news in the coming few weeks.

Fact 2: For the guys who converted their foreign MPL license to a GCAA one (as in X-Clark case), in order to upgrade it to ATPL, they need to go through an ATPL Course & Examination(s) again. While if the MPL was originally issued from UAE GCAA (AAG Sharjah), there's no need to go through the ATPL ground school or exams again...the rest stays the same from my 3rd last post
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 03:31
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http://www.pprune.org/7305852-post531.html

See that link. That is one proof that MPL can be sponsored. If airlines do that then they will only take the number of students that they need.

I am sure that in the future at some point Air Arabia will be saturated with MPL students.

Airlines now treat pilot training just like and MBA or engineering degree that the student must pay himself before he can be eligible for a job. Thats the hard fact.
You cannot compare them! MBA and engineering degrees are MUCH cheaper! MBA in the US at the BEST unis only cost $40k and that includes the living costs.

IN AAG the course costs about $120k not including the extra money we need to spend when we sign on with Air Arabia. It also does not include any living costs!

So yeh AAG is more expensive than those programmes!

Hell it is as expensive as becoming a doctor and that course takes 6 years :S

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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 03:52
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Fact 1: Surprisingly, all of the MPL holders (X-Clark) who joined ABY 20 months ago, are converting their licenses to ATPL, so we might here the news in the coming few weeks.
These pilots will create history in aviation to be the worlds first MPL to full ATPL on A320
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 07:24
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with 44 a/c confirmed orders even if ABY decides for some strange reason to dump highly qualified future captains for their airline.. these MPLs will be welcomed with open arms back home in Philippines where there is a desperate shortage of sr FO with an ATPL on A320
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 13:07
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More news

Just to share this piece of Info...Just 10 Days ago we received the 11th NEW A320...the A6-ANK (Which was a Pleasure to fly) out of the 44 ordered...i.e. 33 to go...

Another Fact: Starting from next year, we are going to receive 2 A320s every Month...not any A320...it is the A320-neo & thus covering further Cities



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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 14:34
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No new ideas in Air Arabia? This was done long time ago by somebody else. Thomson were doing it in 2009!!
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 15:15
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Looking at the above comments, and my experience in the middle east dealing with certaine emirates and their proposed business ventures especially in aviation, and communicating on a regular bases with the GCAA.
Alpha aviation as Tara's B is pointing out is pretty much correct, the only reason these guys are still around is that certain people have certain contacts that allow them to operate in this manner, in the emirates.
As for air Arabia as the leading short haul airline, well forgive me that an airline is bank rolled large sums of money to not fail, for the present moment, and massive fuel discounts........ Well just another airline in the middle east.
As for Malrim, good for you and your determination, and now you are sitting in the right seat, hopefully you can gain time and experience to convert to a Atpl, we only comment on such matters is that we have seen it so many times before over the years. Now it is MPL , to bring in cadets to pay from their own pocket, years ago many different airlines thought of different strategies to bring in cadets at a cheap cost, all I hope for you now is that you reach to convert to an Atpl , before this airline pushes the button.


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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 16:03
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@fluffy

Why so bitter?

Air Arabia has proven time and time again that the low cost model has translated into success which has led to the expansion of its fleet. The customer never had a low cost option in the region and ABY has been a pioneer in driving this growth to pass on its cost savings to the customer.

I feel they haven't fallen short in the selection and training of crew, the interview process is grueling and the training standards during operations are set high.

AAG? Lots of mistakes have been made. Nobody doubts that but I do see improvements being made as the partner airline is getting more involved. I still see a LOT of grey areas where MPL is concerened and only time will tell what exactly the regulations will stipulate with regards to the ATPL conversion but as I have said time and time again its the fastest way to the airline. If I had the choice I would have gone the MPL route when I first started my training. ( Not to say that flying in the bush, instructing, corporate flying at low wages wasn't fun but the ultimate airline goal takes time in the traditional route)
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 17:23
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@ Fluffy5 & vfenext

@ Vfenext

I didn't mention that it wasn't done before !!! Even Air Arabia knows that

Check lines 3,4 & 5

News Details | Air Arabia

@ Fluffy5

Thanks for the Hopes & Wishes talking about the contacts in GCAA, well, that was the case until the End of 2010...then there were no contacts

As long as I am SATISFACTORILY doing my Job, I guess, I will stick around with ABY for a while, maybe a BIG while...only time can tell...when I joined AAG & thus ABY in 2009, I wasn't that sure about Airarabia's commitments to let us in...but getting in-touch with the Management (All Management) including the CEO, I felt there were no boundaries, with their Open Door Policy, I can raise my point(s)/Comment(s) on the spot & get an immediate reply...Which gives me a rough idea of what is awaiting us...MPL

Talking about fuel discounts...well, being a FO & thus one of the Authorized people to sign for Fuel Receipts...I guess it is not the case with Air Arabia PJSC, google "PJSC" you might be right...maybe it is done on the other side of the airport (in the accountants office)...

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 09:19
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Can anyone at Alpha aviation UAE tell me how is the quality of training (ground and flight training)? I don't want to spend money for a training which is not good, the life of many people will depend on me.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 08:03
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well that's new anything official from either side???
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Old 5th Aug 2012, 11:23
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Hi guys,
I've received some documents from Alpha Aviation, one of which states that we have to pay for line training ( not included in the US $140,000).

I've also received the schedule for selection:

Day 1 : Aptitude and personality tests
Day 2 : English/Maths/Physics tests and Personal Interview
Day 3 : Group exercises and Interview with Air Arabia pilots
The cost for selection is AED 1,500.

Initially I thought that all the ground and sim instructors are UAE nationals but I've read on other forums that they are Uk nationals, Is that true? It doesn't make any difference to me, just curious to know.
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Old 5th Aug 2012, 12:04
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Initially I thought that all the ground and sim instructors are UAE nationals but I've read on other forums that they are Uk nationals, Is that true? It doesn't make any difference to me, just curious to know.
just like every airline in UAE there is a good mix of UAE nationals and EU expats. best wishes for the assessment... pls practise your English v imp for the test.

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Old 5th Aug 2012, 12:14
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Thanks RP-C000

Do you know how much does the line training cost?
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Old 5th Aug 2012, 12:26
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I just finished an assessment over two days only. Is that normal or is it because of Ramadhan timings??
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Old 5th Aug 2012, 14:26
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Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL) | Alpha Aviation Group

you can download all the info from here.

Mr. R pls give your feedback how was the assessments...

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Old 5th Aug 2012, 14:39
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you can download all the info from here.
there is nothing about the cost of line training.
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Old 5th Aug 2012, 14:53
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Old 5th Aug 2012, 15:21
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just noticed the course page outline has changed and the references are from CAAP not GCAA

Overall the assessment was professional but not complete as I expected
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