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Saw an add for the MPL with Alpha, posted up just today. Looked ok until I skimmed through the posts on here.
Is the situation still the same there?
The MPL got me thinking. I have a casa cpl already, but what would one have to do with regards to theory to get a MPL theory credit in Australia. Some of the terms are below from Civil Aviation Order 40.1.8. My real question though, would be, Does a cpl holder need do all 7 subjects again due to the ''must pass all exams in 3 years part'', or does he just continue on to the atpls if not done as I know that they are needed passed within 3 years in traditional training...
1 MP(A)L theory examinations
The separate examination parts for a MP(A)L theory examination are as follows
with the relevant abbreviation:
(a) CNAV – Navigation;
(b) CMET – Meteorology;
(c) CHUF – Human Factors;
(d) CLW – Flight Rules and Air Law – Aeroplane;
(e) CADA – Aerodynamics – Aeroplane;
(f) AFPA – Flight Planning – Aeroplane;
(g) APLA – Performance and Loading-Aeroplane;
(h) AASA – Aerodynamics and Aircraft Systems – Aeroplane;
(i) ANAV – Navigation – Aeroplane and Helicopter;
(j) AMET – Meteorology – Aeroplane and Helicopter;
(k) AHUF – Human Factors – Aeroplane and Helicopter;
(l) AALW – Air Law – Aeroplane and Helicopter;
(m) IREX – Instrument Rating Examination;
(n) the type rating examination for the METPA on which the person’s MP(A)L
flight training is conducted.
2 MP(A)L theory examination pass marks
2.1 For a pass in the MP(A)L theory examination, a student must pass all of the
examination parts mentioned in subclause 1.1 within 3 years of passing the first
examination part
Is the situation still the same there?
The MPL got me thinking. I have a casa cpl already, but what would one have to do with regards to theory to get a MPL theory credit in Australia. Some of the terms are below from Civil Aviation Order 40.1.8. My real question though, would be, Does a cpl holder need do all 7 subjects again due to the ''must pass all exams in 3 years part'', or does he just continue on to the atpls if not done as I know that they are needed passed within 3 years in traditional training...
1 MP(A)L theory examinations
The separate examination parts for a MP(A)L theory examination are as follows
with the relevant abbreviation:
(a) CNAV – Navigation;
(b) CMET – Meteorology;
(c) CHUF – Human Factors;
(d) CLW – Flight Rules and Air Law – Aeroplane;
(e) CADA – Aerodynamics – Aeroplane;
(f) AFPA – Flight Planning – Aeroplane;
(g) APLA – Performance and Loading-Aeroplane;
(h) AASA – Aerodynamics and Aircraft Systems – Aeroplane;
(i) ANAV – Navigation – Aeroplane and Helicopter;
(j) AMET – Meteorology – Aeroplane and Helicopter;
(k) AHUF – Human Factors – Aeroplane and Helicopter;
(l) AALW – Air Law – Aeroplane and Helicopter;
(m) IREX – Instrument Rating Examination;
(n) the type rating examination for the METPA on which the person’s MP(A)L
flight training is conducted.
2 MP(A)L theory examination pass marks
2.1 For a pass in the MP(A)L theory examination, a student must pass all of the
examination parts mentioned in subclause 1.1 within 3 years of passing the first
examination part
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Is the situation still the same there?
what would one have to do with regards to theory to get a MPL theory credit in Australia?
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MPL, Multi-crew Pilot Licence (MPL), Multi crew Pilot training, Multi Pilot Training | Alpha Aviation Group
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download the course info from the AAG link.
Careers List | Air Arabia
download the course info from the AAG link.
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@ flyingdumbells and strato
You can get a MPL licence with a CPL. I should know, I already had a CPL when I entered into Clark Av (re branded Alpha Av Group), as did many other fellow students. With some of the students getting 100% free scholarship while the rest of us getting a 50% discount from Alpha.
What you cannot do is jump the core flying just because you have a CPL already. And just so you know, in some ATO's in certain countries that have the MPL in their CAR's there is a conversion process for MPL to CPL and visa versa.
Its not as black and white as strato mentions. then again almost everything strato has ever said is more in the spectrum of grey and blur.
You can get a MPL licence with a CPL. I should know, I already had a CPL when I entered into Clark Av (re branded Alpha Av Group), as did many other fellow students. With some of the students getting 100% free scholarship while the rest of us getting a 50% discount from Alpha.
What you cannot do is jump the core flying just because you have a CPL already. And just so you know, in some ATO's in certain countries that have the MPL in their CAR's there is a conversion process for MPL to CPL and visa versa.
Its not as black and white as strato mentions. then again almost everything strato has ever said is more in the spectrum of grey and blur.
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Note the contradiction:
This now A320 MPL pilot enrolled in the beginning of 2007 for what was to be a 12 to 18 month course, paid in full in advance and with promised employment........ 5 1/2 years later is still unemployed. Why?
What has AAG done to resolve this dramatic situation? What alternate qualification training (CPL/IR/TR) has AAG proposed or provided? What form of a refund or compensation was proposed by AAG?
It is easy to blame the cadets for dropping out for "running out of funds"..... Who would not run out of money, after the tremendous delays in the original schedule, other than the full sponsored students?
Strato must think that money grows in trees......
The MPL program is a competency based type training. How can anyone accept that so many were terminated after being assessed competent to undergo the program? Probably the selection process was not up to standard.... Makes you think, doesn't it? Again, it is easy to blame the students....
Finally, strato admits that wrongdoings were done in the past by the original management and subsequent top teams. He says that now it is different.... Is it?
When managers don't perform as required, the company changes the team to protect its good name and fulfill its objective profitably. AAG changed its team several times but always managed to get the same type of crooks. They did not resolve any issues. On the contrary.....
AAG has to come to the real world and admit that there will be no peace until the old issues are justly resolved.
Strato (an AAG manager) can continue to try to divert the attention from the scam that Clark Aviation is, but he cannot run away from the truth. Facts are facts and they don't change just because one says so.
The solution is totally in the hands of AAG and its owners top management.
Every student that completed their MPL Training in the Philippines was provided line training, either with Cebu Pacific, Air Arabia, Zest, AirPhil, PAL or Seair.
This leaves one European still seeking a job.
What has AAG done to resolve this dramatic situation? What alternate qualification training (CPL/IR/TR) has AAG proposed or provided? What form of a refund or compensation was proposed by AAG?
It is easy to blame the cadets for dropping out for "running out of funds"..... Who would not run out of money, after the tremendous delays in the original schedule, other than the full sponsored students?
Strato must think that money grows in trees......
The MPL program is a competency based type training. How can anyone accept that so many were terminated after being assessed competent to undergo the program? Probably the selection process was not up to standard.... Makes you think, doesn't it? Again, it is easy to blame the students....
Finally, strato admits that wrongdoings were done in the past by the original management and subsequent top teams. He says that now it is different.... Is it?
When managers don't perform as required, the company changes the team to protect its good name and fulfill its objective profitably. AAG changed its team several times but always managed to get the same type of crooks. They did not resolve any issues. On the contrary.....
AAG has to come to the real world and admit that there will be no peace until the old issues are justly resolved.
Strato (an AAG manager) can continue to try to divert the attention from the scam that Clark Aviation is, but he cannot run away from the truth. Facts are facts and they don't change just because one says so.
The solution is totally in the hands of AAG and its owners top management.
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Strato
There's nothing unique about me strato. If anything I could name at least 14 others that had a CPL before joining Clark Av (aka Alpha Av now).
And its not "this could only happen in the Philippines" its this can only happen in Alpha's Academies
Why, you know all to well why. none of us (the local Filipinos that is) ever paid the full amount. We either got the course 100% or 50% sponsored, either by Cebu Pac or Alpha Av. The things that Alpha does to make money....
@Taras B
As always your posts are a true reminder to everyone as to the countless errors and ruined futures that Alpha Aviation has caused on more than one continent.
Stormiscoming, if you truly had a CPL when you joined the MPL Programme then you are virtually unique and this could only happen in the Philippines.
And its not "this could only happen in the Philippines" its this can only happen in Alpha's Academies
why would anyone spend USD $40K on a CPL (TWICE THAT IN COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF THE PHILIPPINES) and then a further USD $100K + on an MPL? You gotta be crazy
@Taras B
As always your posts are a true reminder to everyone as to the countless errors and ruined futures that Alpha Aviation has caused on more than one continent.
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CebuPac has their own training centre Cebu Pacific Air
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this thread has been dead for ages!!
what is the current status at AAA?
I have a question..
Is the 1500hr base training with air arabia guaranteed?
and is the base training already included in the course fees or is it one of those 'hidden costs' .
I know that all the graduated of batch 1 have been inducted into AA, whats the status on the successive batches?
thanks and regards.
what is the current status at AAA?
I have a question..
Is the 1500hr base training with air arabia guaranteed?
and is the base training already included in the course fees or is it one of those 'hidden costs' .
I know that all the graduated of batch 1 have been inducted into AA, whats the status on the successive batches?
thanks and regards.
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AAA never ceases to amaze me.
can anyone shed some light on EK's integrated course? I talked to some people regarding their partner academy in lisbon, and I didnt get any good reviews about it. Dont tell me EAC is going down the same road as AAA!
can anyone shed some light on EK's integrated course? I talked to some people regarding their partner academy in lisbon, and I didnt get any good reviews about it. Dont tell me EAC is going down the same road as AAA!
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Heard that all of the graduates of Alpha are now with Air Arabia (or Type rating or Line training or actually flying) so no one is sitting at home with nothing.. But that is only what I've heard.. Someone wants to add something??
