Gulf Jet Dubai - BANKRUPT
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Gulf Jet Dubai - BANKRUPT
A friend of mine who is living in Dubai and was employed by Gulfjet just told me that he was layed off as well as all of the pilot who worked at Gulfjet.
The owner of the company, has absolutlely NO CASH FLOW and cannot pay the pilot's salaries. All of the pilots are owed 3 months salaries and 3 month per diems.
My friend who recently joined that company (1 month) was told that his contract could no longer be honored... What a joke these people in the Middle East... They sign a contract and then they just simply say..."I changed my mind..." and they just think that with that they no longer have to pay the pilots what they owe them.
Sadly but true, this is the way the whole Middle East (owners and operators) think. Their word has ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE. They can promise you the world and have it in writing and in your contract, but at the end IT MEANS NOTHING TO THEM... There is no law that protects the expat and they will screw everyone who they emply.
That is why I am staying here in the US that even with the finincial crisis that were are facing, I much rather pay taxes on my salary and have a decent life and get paid... than to go to the fancy "show off world" of the Middle East and get screwed over by some greedy bastard, who thinks just because of the fact that he is paying you, he can do whatever it pleases with you and your time... and of course not paying you at the end.
The owner of the company, has absolutlely NO CASH FLOW and cannot pay the pilot's salaries. All of the pilots are owed 3 months salaries and 3 month per diems.
My friend who recently joined that company (1 month) was told that his contract could no longer be honored... What a joke these people in the Middle East... They sign a contract and then they just simply say..."I changed my mind..." and they just think that with that they no longer have to pay the pilots what they owe them.
Sadly but true, this is the way the whole Middle East (owners and operators) think. Their word has ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE. They can promise you the world and have it in writing and in your contract, but at the end IT MEANS NOTHING TO THEM... There is no law that protects the expat and they will screw everyone who they emply.
That is why I am staying here in the US that even with the finincial crisis that were are facing, I much rather pay taxes on my salary and have a decent life and get paid... than to go to the fancy "show off world" of the Middle East and get screwed over by some greedy bastard, who thinks just because of the fact that he is paying you, he can do whatever it pleases with you and your time... and of course not paying you at the end.
Last edited by CL604-Pilot; 4th Feb 2009 at 09:44.
Good for you, hope you enjoy yourself safe in yr land of protection.
It isn't just the Middle East where this sort of thing happens. I know of a lot of people in a UK company who were laid off and never saw the terms of their contract honoured........................and I am sure there are many others around the world with similar experiences.
Very sad to hear about yr friend but for heavens sake get out more and realise that when the money runs out .....................that's it!!
It isn't just the Middle East where this sort of thing happens. I know of a lot of people in a UK company who were laid off and never saw the terms of their contract honoured........................and I am sure there are many others around the world with similar experiences.
Very sad to hear about yr friend but for heavens sake get out more and realise that when the money runs out .....................that's it!!
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Well I think it's not nice to name people on forums and Gulfjet is the worst example you could name. I would even say that your friend should have spotted the management which has more to do with circus than aviation. It's easy to blame the company but when you deal with such bad ones I wouldn't say your friend was very smart on that move. Before signing you have to do your homework. Sorry about that.
If the aircraft owner didn't pay Gulfjet for some time, I understand they might have some problems paying salaries of crews operating managed aircrafts.
If the aircraft owner didn't pay Gulfjet for some time, I understand they might have some problems paying salaries of crews operating managed aircrafts.
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Gulf Jet...ex-partner in crime of Prestige Jet
The owner of Gulf Jet is a thief... He has been abusing pilots for the longest time. I also know the guy you are talking about. He is such a great guy and comes from Prestige Jet where he was screwed over by another group of thieves.... NO WONDER PRESTIGE JET AND GULF JET were once partners in crime, until one stole from the other and they split up...
Prestige Jet will be the next victim of the World Financial Crisis and they will go down owing more than 3 months salaries to all of their pilots. These poor guys will never see their contracts honored and they will be screwed once again by Prestige Jet.
PEOPLE LEARN FROM US THAT ARE HERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.... The only thing that you have to remember by these people in the Middle East is that if their mouths are moving while they talk...THEY ARE LYING... I need to clarify that I am refering ot owners and operators of companies... I have met extraordinary Middle Eastern people who are truly good people...
Prestige Jet will be the next victim of the World Financial Crisis and they will go down owing more than 3 months salaries to all of their pilots. These poor guys will never see their contracts honored and they will be screwed once again by Prestige Jet.
PEOPLE LEARN FROM US THAT ARE HERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.... The only thing that you have to remember by these people in the Middle East is that if their mouths are moving while they talk...THEY ARE LYING... I need to clarify that I am refering ot owners and operators of companies... I have met extraordinary Middle Eastern people who are truly good people...
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I think things must be clarified. First of ll Gulfjet doesn't belong to a single owner. I think it is totally wrong to name people in the forum, especially when you are in the US with no clue of what really happened (it would be nice if you could remove the name of this man that you don't know).
If it's true that worked salaries are due, you have to know that your friend like many of us did sign a contract with a probation period during which he could have been terminated without any notice. This is the labor law in UAE and everybody knows it. Of course legal action can be undertaken by your friend to get his salaries back but I admit it's not gonna be easy.
The company has been loosing a lot of money during the last 2 years, backed up by the owners investing more and more while the management was just doing the poorest job it could.
If it's true that worked salaries are due, you have to know that your friend like many of us did sign a contract with a probation period during which he could have been terminated without any notice. This is the labor law in UAE and everybody knows it. Of course legal action can be undertaken by your friend to get his salaries back but I admit it's not gonna be easy.
The company has been loosing a lot of money during the last 2 years, backed up by the owners investing more and more while the management was just doing the poorest job it could.
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Instant Hooligan I think you misunderstood me. Of course he should be paid for what has been worked. CL604 Pilot was having the following statement:
This is not a joke, your friend signed this contract which clearly mentioned that he could be terminated without notice during probation. Of course your friend still has to be paid for what he worked.
Have you read the terms of your friend's contract? Have a look at it and let us know if it wasn't clearly written that he could be terminated without notice during his probation. This is legal and there IS a law to protect your friend, this is why he can take legal action against Gulfjet to get paid for what he worked. Of course this is NOT the way it should be and this is simply shameful. However CL 604 Pilot, I would suggest that you get some more information on how the things really are in this country before making such statements and naming people whom you don't know. After all, we don't know your name...
What was the aircraft your friend was supposed to fly?
My friend who recently joined that company (1 month) was told that his contract could no longer be honored... What a joke these people in the Middle East... They sign a contract and then they just simply say..."I changed my mind..."
Their word has ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE. They can promise you the world and have it in writing and in your contract, but at the end IT MEANS NOTHING TO THEM... There is no law that protects the expat
What was the aircraft your friend was supposed to fly?
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With thanks to AME Info
'Due to the advanced travel facilities world has become a global village, where traveling between different countries has turned into extremely flexible every day affair. A private jet is a necessity in such a period and that has pushed us to start a venture like Gulf Jet.' added Al Abbar
From his side Khalid Al Mulla Said, 'Leader Capital and Al Abbar are well trusted names and we are proud to mutually launch Gulf Jet in our best interests. Although a concept of a private jet is not new but we assure that Gulf Jet will be unique in its own way. And to work towards that Gulf Jet will provide best of luxury, customer service and speed to its passengers but with the highest standards of safety. A professional team of captain, qualified engineers and well trained commercial staff will serve our guests with international services but behind all that safety will be of prime priority.'
Hussein Mohammed Al Meeza said, 'According to our experience in the business atmosphere here we completely understand the requirement of private jet facility. In the world where time is money and here we are to give a prefect solution to save time but in cost effective manner. And we are extremely glad to come into a joint agreement with Al Mulla Group to make this project a success.'
From his side Khalid Al Mulla Said, 'Leader Capital and Al Abbar are well trusted names and we are proud to mutually launch Gulf Jet in our best interests. Although a concept of a private jet is not new but we assure that Gulf Jet will be unique in its own way. And to work towards that Gulf Jet will provide best of luxury, customer service and speed to its passengers but with the highest standards of safety. A professional team of captain, qualified engineers and well trained commercial staff will serve our guests with international services but behind all that safety will be of prime priority.'
Hussein Mohammed Al Meeza said, 'According to our experience in the business atmosphere here we completely understand the requirement of private jet facility. In the world where time is money and here we are to give a prefect solution to save time but in cost effective manner. And we are extremely glad to come into a joint agreement with Al Mulla Group to make this project a success.'
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Having good intentions doen't make you an honorable person. Yet you steal and keep salaries from your personnel. You treat them like dirt as you please and think they owe the world to you.
Owner of Gulf jet who is identified in the news article is a common white collar thief who wants to take advantge of honest guys like Cl604Pilot's friend who like many of us come to the Middles East to try to make a decent living and try to save some money.
I am glad that this compnay is going down the tubes and I hope that the owner does not recover from this to start another company and continue stealing and screwing other people.
You get what you deserve...
Owner of Gulf jet who is identified in the news article is a common white collar thief who wants to take advantge of honest guys like Cl604Pilot's friend who like many of us come to the Middles East to try to make a decent living and try to save some money.
I am glad that this compnay is going down the tubes and I hope that the owner does not recover from this to start another company and continue stealing and screwing other people.
You get what you deserve...
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I think the situation is much more complex than this. First of all this company probably never generated any profit and as such should not have been running for so many years. I'd say that owners were too proud to go for bankrupt and preferred to feed the company from their own pockets. The problem comes when these guys gets suddenly broke because of the crisis: they can no more feed the company.
In a normal business operating costs (including salaries) should be covered by profits and shareholders should only help at some particular occasions. In this case this company has been running for ages on the back of shareholders without making any profit. I don't really think these guys were really interested in "stealing" money from their employees as this money was nothing to compare with the amounts they used to deal with in other businesses. They have been supporting this company and these salaries for long time on their own and I'd say that if they suddenly can't move on it has more to do with the fact that their real fortune was at the wrong place and that they simply suddenly can't go on. Your way of thinking is absolutely too simplistic.
As salaries should be logically paid form profits, I'd first blame the management which was not capable of generating any income due to its lack of competencies and dishonest behaviors. When the big boss calls himself captain (with how many hours?) and holds a fake Phd there is no surprise to see where the ship is going. I'm not worried for him as he must be busy running his other businesses...(which probably made some money on Gulfjet's back).
As per CL604's friend, things are not as simple as they may look. If it's absolutely true that he should get paid, terms of the contract have to be known before any comment. Was there any bond? Any paid Type Rating which should be paid back by the pilot? Under which conditions? it might seems very logical to you, but it's not always that easy in front of a court. Naming and insulting on this forum is not the way and I would suggest to be careful with terms and conditions before accepting... again, before signing with these guys it would have been a good idea to check how they work. When the Fleet Manager attends meetings with clients in Jeans and flip flop you should think twice before relying on the company...
In a normal business operating costs (including salaries) should be covered by profits and shareholders should only help at some particular occasions. In this case this company has been running for ages on the back of shareholders without making any profit. I don't really think these guys were really interested in "stealing" money from their employees as this money was nothing to compare with the amounts they used to deal with in other businesses. They have been supporting this company and these salaries for long time on their own and I'd say that if they suddenly can't move on it has more to do with the fact that their real fortune was at the wrong place and that they simply suddenly can't go on. Your way of thinking is absolutely too simplistic.
As salaries should be logically paid form profits, I'd first blame the management which was not capable of generating any income due to its lack of competencies and dishonest behaviors. When the big boss calls himself captain (with how many hours?) and holds a fake Phd there is no surprise to see where the ship is going. I'm not worried for him as he must be busy running his other businesses...(which probably made some money on Gulfjet's back).
As per CL604's friend, things are not as simple as they may look. If it's absolutely true that he should get paid, terms of the contract have to be known before any comment. Was there any bond? Any paid Type Rating which should be paid back by the pilot? Under which conditions? it might seems very logical to you, but it's not always that easy in front of a court. Naming and insulting on this forum is not the way and I would suggest to be careful with terms and conditions before accepting... again, before signing with these guys it would have been a good idea to check how they work. When the Fleet Manager attends meetings with clients in Jeans and flip flop you should think twice before relying on the company...
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SFLY, I personally know CL604-Pilot and the friend he is talking about.
This pilot signed on gith Gulfjet after they called him needing another pilot for their Citation Soverein. This guy had a job already lined up with Dana Jet flying as an FO on a Challenger 604 for more money, but he decided to stay in Dubai ratjer than go to RAK and live there...His choice....not the best one, but his choice nonetheless...
He was already typed int he Sovereign and flying as a captain for Prestige jet. Gulfjet paid absolutely no money in his training or getting him to the UAE. He was simply taken advantage of, and being the super nice guy that he is he probably not made any issue of it.
I have flown with this guy before and his ethics are top notch. Even if he would owe moeny to the company he would pay up if it was the case. But I know for a fact that he was typed on the aircraft and was current.
I do not personally know the fleet manager from Gulfjet, but have seen him and in fact you are right about him conducting business in jeans and not in a professional manner. But that is out of the question and case... the fact is that Gulfjet regardless of losing money or making money, owes all of its pilots money and shall be liable for it... sadly the laws in this country only protect the greedy UAE bastard that hides behind his robe and pretends to be an ethical individual while he is the most devious crook that can exist.
This pilot signed on gith Gulfjet after they called him needing another pilot for their Citation Soverein. This guy had a job already lined up with Dana Jet flying as an FO on a Challenger 604 for more money, but he decided to stay in Dubai ratjer than go to RAK and live there...His choice....not the best one, but his choice nonetheless...
He was already typed int he Sovereign and flying as a captain for Prestige jet. Gulfjet paid absolutely no money in his training or getting him to the UAE. He was simply taken advantage of, and being the super nice guy that he is he probably not made any issue of it.
I have flown with this guy before and his ethics are top notch. Even if he would owe moeny to the company he would pay up if it was the case. But I know for a fact that he was typed on the aircraft and was current.
I do not personally know the fleet manager from Gulfjet, but have seen him and in fact you are right about him conducting business in jeans and not in a professional manner. But that is out of the question and case... the fact is that Gulfjet regardless of losing money or making money, owes all of its pilots money and shall be liable for it... sadly the laws in this country only protect the greedy UAE bastard that hides behind his robe and pretends to be an ethical individual while he is the most devious crook that can exist.
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the fact is that Gulfjet regardless of losing money or making money, owes all of its pilots money and shall be liable for it... sadly the laws in this country only protect the greedy UAE bastard that hides behind his robe and pretends to be an ethical individual while he is the most devious crook that can exist.
Did he at least go to the labor office to fill in a report? Let us know how things are going with this and if he needs help.
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GulfJet was way overdue to closing its doors... They were never making any money and the little money that was comin gin was being robbed by the Indian MD.
As far as the chairman, he is the BIG CROOK, that while having his pilots fly him all over the world would not pay them. He hides behind the World Financial Crisis excuse... He has been having a World FInancial Crisis since two years ago. He simply does not like paying what he owes...Typical Middle Eastern mentality that they think that with money and power they can do whatever they want.
I know for a fact that thier piltos are owed their money allowances, salaries, per diems, and other expenses. Poor guys will never see this money and the big boss will continue as if nothing happened. When these piltos leave, he will magically recover, hire some new unsuspecting victims and screw them over just like he did the other ones...
Same vicious cycle... Rotten arab never changes...he just gets wealthier...
As far as the chairman, he is the BIG CROOK, that while having his pilots fly him all over the world would not pay them. He hides behind the World Financial Crisis excuse... He has been having a World FInancial Crisis since two years ago. He simply does not like paying what he owes...Typical Middle Eastern mentality that they think that with money and power they can do whatever they want.
I know for a fact that thier piltos are owed their money allowances, salaries, per diems, and other expenses. Poor guys will never see this money and the big boss will continue as if nothing happened. When these piltos leave, he will magically recover, hire some new unsuspecting victims and screw them over just like he did the other ones...
Same vicious cycle... Rotten arab never changes...he just gets wealthier...
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Same vicious cycle... Rotten arab never changes...he just gets wealthier..
Please stop this classic song of the poor exploited expat. Going to work for Gulfjet is as stupid as investing in real estate when everybody knows there will be no end users and crooks are all around the world. Is Maddoff a UAE national? Come on get a brain.
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Well your friend is a crock, and he has a bad personality, and he was caught steeling beers and perfume from Prestige jet Fleet, where they have kicked him out of the company, after they have spend money on his type rating for the Sovereign and Challenger CL604
As per our knowledge Prestige Jet has a reserve where they can pay salaries to their employees for 1 year, if all there fleet is grounded. So my friends do your home work before talking about people you dont know, and they wont recruit such guys.
if you need to know more about Bill Crock or Bill Deck please ask me
As per our knowledge Prestige Jet has a reserve where they can pay salaries to their employees for 1 year, if all there fleet is grounded. So my friends do your home work before talking about people you dont know, and they wont recruit such guys.
if you need to know more about Bill Crock or Bill Deck please ask me
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Can discuss who is smart and who is not, no matter what you say i wil NEVER go back and fly in the USA i can be honest and say i kindly mailed my Greencard back to the US government. I have never been in a country before with so many backstabbing low level compagnies as u can find there, just go through a Reccurent class at either Flight safety or Simuflite and u can find nothing but people with bad operator experience.....I enjoy living in the Middle East, great climate good food and low if any TAX job security in most compagnies are HIGH much higher then the rest of the world, most operators here are backed by multi billion$ operators who do not have to go and borrow money to buy their airplanes but buy the right out.
And in my way of thinking, HOW IN THE WORLD would anywone stay more then a month without getting paid sorry but thats just stupid dont matter where in the world u are, in AVIATION if ur Paycheck aint comming ontime u better get our before u get burned ;-)
But Please tell me about jobs in the US that gives me more then $140.000usd per month (tax free please ) and a schedule giving 2 month on 1 month off and per diem of $125 per day... and i gladly consider going back to the US and begg for my greencard back ;-) but we both prob know's that wont happen.....
All im saying know ur facts before giving out the worst about something....
THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER
And in my way of thinking, HOW IN THE WORLD would anywone stay more then a month without getting paid sorry but thats just stupid dont matter where in the world u are, in AVIATION if ur Paycheck aint comming ontime u better get our before u get burned ;-)
But Please tell me about jobs in the US that gives me more then $140.000usd per month (tax free please ) and a schedule giving 2 month on 1 month off and per diem of $125 per day... and i gladly consider going back to the US and begg for my greencard back ;-) but we both prob know's that wont happen.....
All im saying know ur facts before giving out the worst about something....
THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GREENER
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All people Gulf Jet is not Prestige Jet. We no asociated with them. They close down because of no money. Prestige Jet have more than 200 million in the bank to continue for more office in the world. Gulf Jet have stealing money all the time and that why it close. Bad management and stealing.
Prestige Jet is no them. All rubish about Prestige Jet is Gulf Jet is no true. Send me mesage and I will say the facts. Prestige have reserve so no go bankrupt. We have good manager and no stealing. So dont talk the rubish and say lie about Prestige Jet.
Prestige Jet is no them. All rubish about Prestige Jet is Gulf Jet is no true. Send me mesage and I will say the facts. Prestige have reserve so no go bankrupt. We have good manager and no stealing. So dont talk the rubish and say lie about Prestige Jet.