Saudia
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Vamy,
We shall see..... Seems like open rebellion against the new CEO. If you think that a low cost airline guy from Europe is going to remain standing, then you Sir, need to pull your head of your ass.
I wish him luck, but reality is something different here.
The only change I have noticed over the last year or so is the number of expats b1thcing and moaning publicly on how bad things are here.
We shall see..... Seems like open rebellion against the new CEO. If you think that a low cost airline guy from Europe is going to remain standing, then you Sir, need to pull your head of your ass.
I wish him luck, but reality is something different here.
The only change I have noticed over the last year or so is the number of expats b1thcing and moaning publicly on how bad things are here.
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In addition.... If you have been around as long as you say, you should know that without a doubt, GM's, VP's and EVP's get changed around on average every 2 years like clock work. The EVP position was only created a few years ago, so none were actually "long serving" in their current position. Having a few removed recently doesn't really tell us anything.
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LEI
777AV8R, you are correct. The lack of a properly implemented and functioning FDM program is indeed considerd a very serious transgression of ICAO Annex 6-Doc. 8335. The more germane question is why it has not been implemented? I believe the answer to that question is obvious to many and certainly to the CEO.
Metro301, with respect, you need to "pull your head out of your ass" and have a good look at what is going on around you. I first came to Saudi Arabia in 1982, so I too have a long experience of this place. Without doubt the Kingdom is certainly on the change. I'd suggest you take the 2020 Transformation initiative and the 2030 programs seriously. They are both run by the Deputy Crown Prince and the Crown Prince. As long as they are controlling these programs the changes will move ahead.
Why do you think so many long serving EVP's and VP's have been removed from their positions recently and with such stronge criticism from Higher management?
Metro301, with respect, you need to "pull your head out of your ass" and have a good look at what is going on around you. I first came to Saudi Arabia in 1982, so I too have a long experience of this place. Without doubt the Kingdom is certainly on the change. I'd suggest you take the 2020 Transformation initiative and the 2030 programs seriously. They are both run by the Deputy Crown Prince and the Crown Prince. As long as they are controlling these programs the changes will move ahead.
Why do you think so many long serving EVP's and VP's have been removed from their positions recently and with such stronge criticism from Higher management?
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From: Saudi Arabia
FLying school / academy / university Saudi Arabia & UAE
Hi All i am planning to train with Saudi flying academy located in Riyadh www.saflightacademy.com and or the prince sultan aviation academy also i am looking for Alpha aviation academy , can some one tell me any chances if trained with Saudi flight academy ?
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Most if not all of the posters here are expatriate pilots, therefore they came to Saudi as qualified pilots rather than initial trainees, so its not a good place to ask your questions. However we all train with PSAA for airline required training, PSAA doesn't train people to obtain a licence.
You need to find some ex-students of SAFA and see if they school actually delivered as expected and in the time expected.
Good Luck.
You need to find some ex-students of SAFA and see if they school actually delivered as expected and in the time expected.
Good Luck.
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Saudia B747 incident at Jeddah, where the crew had a double engine failure and emergency return after they shut down the wrong engine. A serious engine fire occurred and a very serious accident was narrowly avoided, definitely more by luck than judgement.
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Vamy,
Your pedigree is certainly formidable.
The initial information you post is also very accurate.
I have issues with the conclusions that you draw. I believe you to be wrong on many counts.
When this CEO doesn't have his contract re-newed, or he departs early, I will gladly accept a drink on your tab.
As for 2020/2030, I don't think there is any sane expat rooting against success. It would be lovely to see the country advance to a more sophisticated level. That being said, the resistance to the winds of change are pretty strong. Rather than having unbridled optimism, I hold a more realistic outlook with a strong dose of hopefulness.
Your pedigree is certainly formidable.
The initial information you post is also very accurate.
I have issues with the conclusions that you draw. I believe you to be wrong on many counts.
When this CEO doesn't have his contract re-newed, or he departs early, I will gladly accept a drink on your tab.
As for 2020/2030, I don't think there is any sane expat rooting against success. It would be lovely to see the country advance to a more sophisticated level. That being said, the resistance to the winds of change are pretty strong. Rather than having unbridled optimism, I hold a more realistic outlook with a strong dose of hopefulness.
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Slightly off topic I did a Haj many moons ago with Laker and was staying in the Sands Hotel in Jeddah. We arrived in the middle of the night. The next morning I got up went to the pool and "bombed" one of our staff. I slightly misjudged though and I'm told I managed to "hit" someone next to the pool - One Idi Amin.... Fortunately there was not enough meat on me for him to eat me...
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Vamy, surprisingly close timing on this article to help make my point:
http://www.economist.com/news/middle...-saudi-arabias
Change does not come easily nor rapidly here.
http://www.economist.com/news/middle...-saudi-arabias
Change does not come easily nor rapidly here.
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