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now word is 16 wide body a/c for GF. already people resigning and more on the way, only 2 e jets for this year on trial basis and 22 a320s, it seems M Majary doesn't know what the f*****k he doing or hes just not in control of anything.
Bah cant afford to sack one more CEO so soon and no replacement available to take the job with the mess GF is in right now.
the way things are going and to continuous plan Cheng's is just causing many disruptions that GF cant afford. good people wont stay for the unknown even if it means take a break at home for a few months till they get a solid career somewhere else. this M Majary is just gambling with GF and its great staff who are GFs only good asset right now.
i spent some wonderful years at GF and its all because of the people that i work with nothing els, it hearts to see thing reach to what they are because of bad management.
Peace........
Bah cant afford to sack one more CEO so soon and no replacement available to take the job with the mess GF is in right now.
the way things are going and to continuous plan Cheng's is just causing many disruptions that GF cant afford. good people wont stay for the unknown even if it means take a break at home for a few months till they get a solid career somewhere else. this M Majary is just gambling with GF and its great staff who are GFs only good asset right now.
i spent some wonderful years at GF and its all because of the people that i work with nothing els, it hearts to see thing reach to what they are because of bad management.
Peace........
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Brass!
When you retired, we thought that we got rid of an absolute grumpy old man but seems like you have found a perfect new plate form to play your old VHS tape again and again and now you have recorded some new misinformation on it just to provoke the expate F/Os.
My advise is to relax and live on beautiful Amwaj Island Happily ever after.
When you retired, we thought that we got rid of an absolute grumpy old man but seems like you have found a perfect new plate form to play your old VHS tape again and again and now you have recorded some new misinformation on it just to provoke the expate F/Os.
My advise is to relax and live on beautiful Amwaj Island Happily ever after.
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Well said Hunter320.
Gulf air has some real loyal pilots that have stuck around when the airline needed them badly..Now the airline is rewarding them by putting them in dire straits which they cant take anymore. Patience has run out and everyone i know is leaving, local and expat. By the looks of it this f #
n Majary dipstick has screwed up big time. He couldnt get a deal finalised during the airshow (even tough he has a share in Embraer which is a fact), and is now trying to prove something. These embraers are nothing but merely a waste of money just like the 777s. They will end up paying more money ( which they cant afford now) and then realise that the idea of embraers was a total shamble.
Many of the good loyal and hardworking pilots have already resigned, some of them new captains due to this crisis. It would be an investment for other airlines to get hold of them. Does'nt the management realise what is happening. I'm pretty sure they all do, but no one has the balls to stand up and talk. Everybody is scared to lose their seats..Soon they will have no seats and then it wud be tooooooo late.
Majary thinks that the problem of GF is the same as RJ. GF has different pax with different demands, has different geographic location, has a different history..By the looks of it, it seems that Majary has been paid by a third party to put the final nail in Gulf air's coffin, which with the help of our current managers, is succeeding..
Gulf air has some real loyal pilots that have stuck around when the airline needed them badly..Now the airline is rewarding them by putting them in dire straits which they cant take anymore. Patience has run out and everyone i know is leaving, local and expat. By the looks of it this f # n Majary dipstick has screwed up big time. He couldnt get a deal finalised during the airshow (even tough he has a share in Embraer which is a fact), and is now trying to prove something. These embraers are nothing but merely a waste of money just like the 777s. They will end up paying more money ( which they cant afford now) and then realise that the idea of embraers was a total shamble.Many of the good loyal and hardworking pilots have already resigned, some of them new captains due to this crisis. It would be an investment for other airlines to get hold of them. Does'nt the management realise what is happening. I'm pretty sure they all do, but no one has the balls to stand up and talk. Everybody is scared to lose their seats..Soon they will have no seats and then it wud be tooooooo late.
Majary thinks that the problem of GF is the same as RJ. GF has different pax with different demands, has different geographic location, has a different history..By the looks of it, it seems that Majary has been paid by a third party to put the final nail in Gulf air's coffin, which with the help of our current managers, is succeeding..
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i am unapologetic for being the conspiracist or sciolist but just listen to yourselves. gf has really stuffed this up, in particular management. if the effect of my comments causes f/os to retėnk where gf is taking their careers, then i am extremely unapologetic! as is correctly mentioned, even bahrainis are leaving! how reassuring must that be for the expat looking for a stable career so far from home?
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Gulf Air must reduce its costs. We operate 30 ish aircraft with around 5000 thousand employees. We were a legacy carrier at one point but the time is now to reduce costs. The flight crew are operating at the maximum. Ryan air for example (although they are a low cost carrier) operate 32 employees per aircraft. We have to shift from a legacy carrier mentallity to a low cost carrier mentallity (we must have a network to take the regional pax somewhere). The fact of the matter is we have to reduce managment. The embraer aircraft are cheap to purchcase... dont know about maintenence or durability in the desert. Generally speaking, a low cost carrier runs with fleet commonality... for a variety of reasons (training, sims, parts maint etc.) We cannot afford to run with deep pockets like Abu Dahbi and Qatar. We could however, keep fleet commonanity and remain airbus with all pilots CCQ on all types which would maximise air crew utilization and minimize training costs. Run with 319 LRS to develope potentional markets in Europe and Africa in line with the "Bahrain business friendly" model. Rebuild the airline and the country.
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couldn't agree with you more. factual, impassionate, reasonable arguement.
all the more reason for expat f/os to leave the company. it's a dead end for their careers.
couldn't agree with you more. factual, impassionate, reasonable arguement.
all the more reason for expat f/os to leave the company. it's a dead end for their careers.
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Majali and the new strategy.
When Majali took the office in RJ, it was a typical over staffed, under achieving government venture. The key word at the time was privatization. He was brought in to turn the airline to profitability as a first step towards privatization, the strategy he employed at the time worked, RJ stopped loosing money, started making profit, and was privatized.
At the time , I was not able to see that it can be done in Jordan, It was done, it worked.
Now I can not see that the same strategy is going to work in Bahrain; for many deferent reasons but, it seems that I am not the only one who can see that, the entire pilot community in Gulf air seems to agree on this one.
One of the key elements of his strategy was to get red of the excess load. In Jordan , he took the bull by the horns, his tactics were aggressive, open, and direct. In Bahrain, he is taking a moor scuttle approach. The result is just the same, pilots are fleeing Gulf air just as fast.
As pilots, each one of us has his own limits, when he pushes me up to my limit, I quit.
There was a good book called : who moved my cheese, a nice little read about changes life throws at us, an un welcomed change that we have to deal with, it basically teaches us how to deal with changes that we dont like.
I would love to work for an airline that is heading in the right direction, is gulf air going in that direction? I dont think so but, I was wrong before and I can be wrong now. The question now is not wither or not gulf air is heading in the right direction, at this stage of my career, I have deferent worries, if I was a f/o in my twenties, by all means, I will not take chances, I will do whatever is in the best interest of my career and family. I am approaching my retirement, I can afford to make mistakes of judgment at this stage of my life, so, I will stay until he pushes me up to my limit.
Good luck every one, safe flying.
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Fantastic MKDar... U said it. In other words his tactics are not working here and pilots are fleeing as easy as running water. Soon he wont have anyone flying and this already ailing airline will have grounded aircrafts due to shortage of pilots.............
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I kind of figured out Majali. An autocrat coming from the Hashimate Royal family ( well , close enough) , pampered to take the CEO of Jordanian at some stage of his career (which he eventually did) , intelligent man , hard worker and sensible enough to understand the politics of his job. I was tempted to believe that he very well be the RIGHT MAN for the job in GF and might very well turn the fortunes of this ailing airline. A few short months later, I regret to say , Not Really !!.
It is not his plans to turn the airline into regional, (although I personally disagree with it) that is the problem . Whatever the others attempted, did not work, so , he has to take change strategy , and take some risks . After all , isnt that why is he here ? for change ?
The major problems are much bigger than one CEO. It is Gulf Air culture created by those people around it. From the owners (the Government) , to the ill-functioning management and the demoralized (not to mention those excess loads) staff. What future does an organization has while it is politically manipulated, where the majority of the staff have little or no confidence in the airlines future, bad mouth the management and each other, corrupt elements still roam around the corridors and held hostage by some incredibly deep pocketed filthy rich neighbors ??
Hell, the Operations department was always immune from the politics of the country, but even in that sensitive area the managers are politically appointed. I guess the expat staff would be excused for NOT noticing that. Apparently, to run an Operations dept in Gulf Air , you need to be politically acceptable , supported by the right party and be the right religion!! Regrettably, a single Majali cannot or is not willing to do anything about that.
It is not his plans to turn the airline into regional, (although I personally disagree with it) that is the problem . Whatever the others attempted, did not work, so , he has to take change strategy , and take some risks . After all , isnt that why is he here ? for change ?
The major problems are much bigger than one CEO. It is Gulf Air culture created by those people around it. From the owners (the Government) , to the ill-functioning management and the demoralized (not to mention those excess loads) staff. What future does an organization has while it is politically manipulated, where the majority of the staff have little or no confidence in the airlines future, bad mouth the management and each other, corrupt elements still roam around the corridors and held hostage by some incredibly deep pocketed filthy rich neighbors ??
Hell, the Operations department was always immune from the politics of the country, but even in that sensitive area the managers are politically appointed. I guess the expat staff would be excused for NOT noticing that. Apparently, to run an Operations dept in Gulf Air , you need to be politically acceptable , supported by the right party and be the right religion!! Regrettably, a single Majali cannot or is not willing to do anything about that.
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once again, great comments. but not reasons for f/os to hang around. maybe that is exactly majali's plans....get rid of expat pilots on their own free will without having to play the bad guy and firing them. rather, blame it on natural attrition. but guess what? even the locals are leaving the sinking ship. who in the right mind would want to fly for gf based on the current restructuring plans that unfortunately make sense but counterproductive to their flying careers? consider the ambitious expansion plans of the neighbouring airlines. how wrong could the timing be?
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Interview with Talal Al-Zain on Youtube.
Last question at the end is about Gulf Air.
YouTube - Talal Al-Zain Discusses Bahrain Wealth Fund, Gulf Air: Video
Last question at the end is about Gulf Air.
YouTube - Talal Al-Zain Discusses Bahrain Wealth Fund, Gulf Air: Video
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Too many to count..He's done a great job so far. NOT.
what surprises me the most, is that the fleet office doesnt even have a word in all this mess. They are just being lead along.
Unless of course there is a surplus, then in that case their mission is getting accomplished wonderfully.
So sad to see all these good pilots, locals and expats leaving.
what surprises me the most, is that the fleet office doesnt even have a word in all this mess. They are just being lead along.
Unless of course there is a surplus, then in that case their mission is getting accomplished wonderfully.
So sad to see all these good pilots, locals and expats leaving.
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TOGA i agree with your sentiments. but i am tired of hearing about the poor fleet office. they choose to be there and are choosing to participate in this in a way that reduces communications lines and pisses everyone off even more. also i heard from one FO forced to go on EMB that they are telling people if they refuse they resign. not sure how true this is but that does not sound like they are being led along to me! anyone can confirm this????
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Desert i heard that as well, that if they dont go, they resign. when i meant led, i didnt mean it in that sentiment. all i meant is that the Fleet Office is witnessing a big amount of resignations and none of them has the courage to stand up for their pilots, who have sacrificed a lot during their long tenure with GF. I do feel sympathetic with the fleet office as they are merely following orders, but in this present day and age, a fair and a just manager wouldnt follow any orders blindly, knowing that the outcome is severely destroying people's livelihood.