Gulf Air Developments
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I hope you're right Skybeds . . . at least let me rephrase that, I hope that Gulf Air will be around for a long time.
A few observations that I would like to make.
1) The GDN (it looks like a quote from the GDN because you don't cite your source) makes for great packaging material or lining on the bottom of the bird cage. For reading it is not all that great, albeit slightly more informative than Mad comic books.
2) The announcements from the Government tend to run hot and cold. One week there is an announcement by a national leader that Bahrainis must face up to the realities of the World, shouldn't expect a welfare state and learn to stand on their own two feet, then a week later there is some announcement on a massive housing or other social project. This week the Government's backing is solid as concrete, who knows what the flavor is next month, next year, next decade? Governments tend to change their views.
3) Either way Gulf Air needs to change sooner or later.
A few observations that I would like to make.
1) The GDN (it looks like a quote from the GDN because you don't cite your source) makes for great packaging material or lining on the bottom of the bird cage. For reading it is not all that great, albeit slightly more informative than Mad comic books.
2) The announcements from the Government tend to run hot and cold. One week there is an announcement by a national leader that Bahrainis must face up to the realities of the World, shouldn't expect a welfare state and learn to stand on their own two feet, then a week later there is some announcement on a massive housing or other social project. This week the Government's backing is solid as concrete, who knows what the flavor is next month, next year, next decade? Governments tend to change their views.
3) Either way Gulf Air needs to change sooner or later.
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Either way Gulf Air needs to change sooner or later.
if the government is taking interest then the chances for gulf airs survival is more now.
i think we may look at another restructure program in near future as the situation is different now
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3) Either way Gulf Air needs to change sooner or later.
if the government is taking interest then the chances for gulf airs survival is more now.
i think we may look at another restructure program in near future as the situation is different now
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Brassplate,
Chill out buddy, every one is entitled for their opinion and they have the right to be wrong. You could be wrong with out being a fool , couldn’t you?
Gulf air is not making a fool of any one, if you think that I am using you and abusing you and you allow me to do so, then you are a fool by choice, aren’t you?
We are no kids in gulf air, we know, or at least have an idea what is going on, if we think that we are being tossed about, then what’s to keep us from getting out?
Last time I checked , there were no chains on my neck and hands.
I am no big fan of skybed or sky nannies to that matter but, if skybed makes sense then I have no problem relating to that.
Safe flying all.
Chill out buddy, every one is entitled for their opinion and they have the right to be wrong. You could be wrong with out being a fool , couldn’t you?
Gulf air is not making a fool of any one, if you think that I am using you and abusing you and you allow me to do so, then you are a fool by choice, aren’t you?
We are no kids in gulf air, we know, or at least have an idea what is going on, if we think that we are being tossed about, then what’s to keep us from getting out?
Last time I checked , there were no chains on my neck and hands.
I am no big fan of skybed or sky nannies to that matter but, if skybed makes sense then I have no problem relating to that.
Safe flying all.
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Consultants 'a Big Drain'
UNIONISTS have accused Gulf Air of wasting millions of dinars a month on consultancy firms.
They have now urged parliament to investigate the role of at least five companies that allegedly "did absolutely nothing" while bleeding the airline dry.
Gulf Daily News » Local News » CONSULTANTS 'A BIG DRAIN'
They have now urged parliament to investigate the role of at least five companies that allegedly "did absolutely nothing" while bleeding the airline dry.
Gulf Daily News » Local News » CONSULTANTS 'A BIG DRAIN'
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Can you substantiate this further?
CRUIZE
Can you provide further information with regards to your claim? It has always been my opinion that Bahrain (at this time) simply is not big enough to have two airlines competing with eachother on the same routes.
I am pro competition and in the long run it raises everyone's game (at least from the consumer's perspective). However, in this region markets are not perfectly competitive (look to EK, QR, EY and GF), hence it is suicidal to have a competitor on your home turf in the form of Bahrain Air. It just doesn't make sense as long as one airline gets subsidised and the other does not. It is better to simply roll them into one. If you are going to subsidise then you might as well monopolise (to make a return on your subsidy).
If I am not mistaken, I also believe it is the opinion of our current CEO that the setting up of Bahrain Air was a strategic mistake on Bahrain's part. I am not privvy to the loads, nor to how close they are to profitability. However, what I do see is half of their fleet parked on the ramp everytime I taxi out to Rwy30R. The amalgamation of Bahrain Air into Gulf Air would have, in my opinion, the following benefits;
1) Reduce point - to - point competition from Bahrain
2) Bring (relatively) new aircraft into Gulf Air's fleet (a refit would be necessary)
3) Consolidate loads on Gulf Air, reducing losses (this is not given, as other carriers in the region would also be looking to take market share left by Bahrain Air, although Gulf Air should be in a prime position
4) Promote Gulf Air as "THE" airline of Bahrain
I would be interested if anybody could add to the points I have made above (no silly comments please!)
Regards
B727-200
Can you provide further information with regards to your claim? It has always been my opinion that Bahrain (at this time) simply is not big enough to have two airlines competing with eachother on the same routes.
I am pro competition and in the long run it raises everyone's game (at least from the consumer's perspective). However, in this region markets are not perfectly competitive (look to EK, QR, EY and GF), hence it is suicidal to have a competitor on your home turf in the form of Bahrain Air. It just doesn't make sense as long as one airline gets subsidised and the other does not. It is better to simply roll them into one. If you are going to subsidise then you might as well monopolise (to make a return on your subsidy).
If I am not mistaken, I also believe it is the opinion of our current CEO that the setting up of Bahrain Air was a strategic mistake on Bahrain's part. I am not privvy to the loads, nor to how close they are to profitability. However, what I do see is half of their fleet parked on the ramp everytime I taxi out to Rwy30R. The amalgamation of Bahrain Air into Gulf Air would have, in my opinion, the following benefits;
1) Reduce point - to - point competition from Bahrain
2) Bring (relatively) new aircraft into Gulf Air's fleet (a refit would be necessary)
3) Consolidate loads on Gulf Air, reducing losses (this is not given, as other carriers in the region would also be looking to take market share left by Bahrain Air, although Gulf Air should be in a prime position
4) Promote Gulf Air as "THE" airline of Bahrain
I would be interested if anybody could add to the points I have made above (no silly comments please!)
Regards
B727-200
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RUIZE
Can you provide further information with regards to your claim? It has always been my opinion that Bahrain (at this time) simply is not big enough to have two airlines competing with eachother on the same routes.
I am pro competition and in the long run it raises everyone's game (at least from the consumer's perspective). However, in this region markets are not perfectly competitive (look to EK, QR, EY and GF), hence it is suicidal to have a competitor on your home turf in the form of Bahrain Air. It just doesn't make sense as long as one airline gets subsidised and the other does not. It is better to simply roll them into one. If you are going to subsidise then you might as well monopolise (to make a return on your subsidy).
If I am not mistaken, I also believe it is the opinion of our current CEO that the setting up of Bahrain Air was a strategic mistake on Bahrain's part. I am not privvy to the loads, nor to how close they are to profitability. However, what I do see is half of their fleet parked on the ramp everytime I taxi out to Rwy30R. The amalgamation of Bahrain Air into Gulf Air would have, in my opinion, the following benefits;
1) Reduce point - to - point competition from Bahrain
2) Bring (relatively) new aircraft into Gulf Air's fleet (a refit would be necessary)
3) Consolidate loads on Gulf Air, reducing losses (this is not given, as other carriers in the region would also be looking to take market share left by Bahrain Air, although Gulf Air should be in a prime position
4) Promote Gulf Air as "THE" airline of Bahrain
I would be interested if anybody could add to the points I have made above (no silly comments please!)
Regards
B727-200
Can you provide further information with regards to your claim? It has always been my opinion that Bahrain (at this time) simply is not big enough to have two airlines competing with eachother on the same routes.
I am pro competition and in the long run it raises everyone's game (at least from the consumer's perspective). However, in this region markets are not perfectly competitive (look to EK, QR, EY and GF), hence it is suicidal to have a competitor on your home turf in the form of Bahrain Air. It just doesn't make sense as long as one airline gets subsidised and the other does not. It is better to simply roll them into one. If you are going to subsidise then you might as well monopolise (to make a return on your subsidy).
If I am not mistaken, I also believe it is the opinion of our current CEO that the setting up of Bahrain Air was a strategic mistake on Bahrain's part. I am not privvy to the loads, nor to how close they are to profitability. However, what I do see is half of their fleet parked on the ramp everytime I taxi out to Rwy30R. The amalgamation of Bahrain Air into Gulf Air would have, in my opinion, the following benefits;
1) Reduce point - to - point competition from Bahrain
2) Bring (relatively) new aircraft into Gulf Air's fleet (a refit would be necessary)
3) Consolidate loads on Gulf Air, reducing losses (this is not given, as other carriers in the region would also be looking to take market share left by Bahrain Air, although Gulf Air should be in a prime position
4) Promote Gulf Air as "THE" airline of Bahrain
I would be interested if anybody could add to the points I have made above (no silly comments please!)
Regards
B727-200
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Bahrain air will not even think to merage with gulf air
all those A/C parked at the east appron , Are making profit to Bahrain air with out flying ,
so can gulf air do that ,
all those A/C parked at the east appron , Are making profit to Bahrain air with out flying ,
so can gulf air do that ,
they were trying to combine the combine with GF or something like that a couple of months ago.
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sky beds are old news. no wonder people who use GF first class have been greatly reduced, no AVOD (the TV screen is very unclear),the GF skybeds are outdated
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captainspeed
Sounds dubious, since recently cabin crew have taken a pay cut, unpaid forced leave on the table for flightdeck, a/c grounded in KTM for not paying months handling fees, Captain recently had to pay for his own fuel in MHD.
Doesn't really sound like an airline thats making nice tidy profits to me!?!?
all those A/C parked at the east appron , Are making profit to Bahrain air with out flying ,
so can gulf air do that ,
so can gulf air do that ,
Doesn't really sound like an airline thats making nice tidy profits to me!?!?
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all those A/C parked at the east appron , Are making profit to Bahrain air with out flying ,
so can gulf air do that ,
so can gulf air do that ,
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@Mephistopheles: I doubt the aircraft is grounded in KTM hence BAY is operating for Alpine Air (Instead of the A319) as negotiated before. Bahrain Air aircraft (BAP/BAS/BAT) which are parked are making money because these are not owned by the company but leased by a Sudanese company and operated by Bahrain Air (Blue Nile I think their name is) and they are still waiting for the AOC. Mind you, these aircrafts have an intra-gulf restriction with a maximum of 3 hours flying time. Mostly BAS on the BAH-DXB-KRT route.