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Ronaldo (post 56) wrote:
A330 man also (post 57) had good points.
Allow me to add 1 point, if the TREs are held against their will on the 320 they would resign the training to move to other types (one already did) the financial result is to send the trainees to a foreign TRTO to conduct the company training and perform the LPC/OPC to keep our pilots flying and avoid grounding planes.
What is cheaper?
Flt Ops management…. Please wake up and realize that the pilots interest goes along with the company interest, we all in one boat, please don't rock it too hard, otherwise we will jump and swim to another boat in the big ocean.
When world pilots see people jumping off a ship I don't think it will look attractive for others to jump on.
Live and let live is much more worthy than live and let die policy.
If there is no movement from A320 to A330 there will be more resignations. Which one will save more money??
Allow me to add 1 point, if the TREs are held against their will on the 320 they would resign the training to move to other types (one already did) the financial result is to send the trainees to a foreign TRTO to conduct the company training and perform the LPC/OPC to keep our pilots flying and avoid grounding planes.
What is cheaper?
Flt Ops management…. Please wake up and realize that the pilots interest goes along with the company interest, we all in one boat, please don't rock it too hard, otherwise we will jump and swim to another boat in the big ocean.
When world pilots see people jumping off a ship I don't think it will look attractive for others to jump on.
Live and let live is much more worthy than live and let die policy.
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Oryxbollocks,
dont worry mate...so far I am still far away from the dark side!
Which is why I asked for the benefit of the doubt under certain conditions! So far, I have to agree with you, not much good has come out of the illustreous duo, but only time can/will tell!
Something had to be done in flight ops for a long time as it is a mess, with only 1 fleet working more or less descently. Lets see if this was the right change!
We should all stay very allert! What is very certain is that it will get much worse before it gets any better. First proof to that...OCT rosters!
dont worry mate...so far I am still far away from the dark side!
Which is why I asked for the benefit of the doubt under certain conditions! So far, I have to agree with you, not much good has come out of the illustreous duo, but only time can/will tell!
Something had to be done in flight ops for a long time as it is a mess, with only 1 fleet working more or less descently. Lets see if this was the right change!
We should all stay very allert! What is very certain is that it will get much worse before it gets any better. First proof to that...OCT rosters!
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A320 man et al,
Dont get too complacent with the we'll go elsewhere atitude.There are now queues to get in all the major Middle and far eeastern carriers consistently full of brits and yanks amongst others.
The places to go are getting less.Economies are suffering. Pretty soon you may be glad to get stuck on a 320 in an oil rich company.
An example (not me)
Senior captain rated as capt on all the major jets including 777 and 330.
Tri/Tre/re -tre all on a licence thats travels and converts with the minimum of fuss.
Good provenance, outstanding contacts and references.Hrs well above all minimums, looking for a good home. Currently looking due to to loss of job. Camels or noodles equally accepted.Left or right seat.
If you can compete with that sort of quals , swim away.The ocean is surely big but not many places to beach up on.
I think the world job market is changing and petulant moves may not be the best tactic.
Good luck
Dont get too complacent with the we'll go elsewhere atitude.There are now queues to get in all the major Middle and far eeastern carriers consistently full of brits and yanks amongst others.
The places to go are getting less.Economies are suffering. Pretty soon you may be glad to get stuck on a 320 in an oil rich company.
An example (not me)
Senior captain rated as capt on all the major jets including 777 and 330.
Tri/Tre/re -tre all on a licence thats travels and converts with the minimum of fuss.
Good provenance, outstanding contacts and references.Hrs well above all minimums, looking for a good home. Currently looking due to to loss of job. Camels or noodles equally accepted.Left or right seat.
If you can compete with that sort of quals , swim away.The ocean is surely big but not many places to beach up on.
I think the world job market is changing and petulant moves may not be the best tactic.
Good luck
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Jobs are available everywhere
Wee one,
I don't think that your friend of a TRE/TRI experience should have any problem finding a job all over the world, simply let him check these sites below.
54 current opportunities available in varied types from Rishworth Aviation.
http://www.rishworthaviation.com/opportunities/oppslist.asp?cat=1
More from Parc Aviation
http://www.parcaviation.aero/aviation/FlightcrewJobs.asp
Try also, Air Asia, Air Arabia, Al Jazeera, NAS Air and Bahrain air.
Jobs are everywhere for the time being, ask our flt ops manager about the latest numbers of resignations, you will see how many are leaving, I understand it is a personal choice, but let us try to cut that unnecessary cost of re-training replacement pilots ALL the time
Just a point of clarification; I don't think anyone have a problem with Brits or any nationality in particular, it is the sorry fact of blocking some pilots off certain company types while hiring the DEC (non type rated) on these types.
As for the 320 man, I guess many of us see it his way.
I don't think that your friend of a TRE/TRI experience should have any problem finding a job all over the world, simply let him check these sites below.
54 current opportunities available in varied types from Rishworth Aviation.
http://www.rishworthaviation.com/opportunities/oppslist.asp?cat=1
More from Parc Aviation
http://www.parcaviation.aero/aviation/FlightcrewJobs.asp
Try also, Air Asia, Air Arabia, Al Jazeera, NAS Air and Bahrain air.
Jobs are everywhere for the time being, ask our flt ops manager about the latest numbers of resignations, you will see how many are leaving, I understand it is a personal choice, but let us try to cut that unnecessary cost of re-training replacement pilots ALL the time
Just a point of clarification; I don't think anyone have a problem with Brits or any nationality in particular, it is the sorry fact of blocking some pilots off certain company types while hiring the DEC (non type rated) on these types.
As for the 320 man, I guess many of us see it his way.
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wee one
wee one, you surly speak like one of the management, are you sure that your initials are not B.W.?
Sorry but you sound like you are promoting the idea of the new management team, : keep quiet...be thankful that you have a job, let us get CCQ for ourselves and our friends too who did not join QA "yet" !
Sorry but you sound like you are promoting the idea of the new management team, : keep quiet...be thankful that you have a job, let us get CCQ for ourselves and our friends too who did not join QA "yet" !
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Dear Wee One,
Thank you for your advice, I would like to ask: will you be happy if you are working for 5 years, then they pass you to hire DECs over your shoulder? (Based on sudden change of rules by a new management team).
Allow me to clarify these points:
1- I have many friends and colleges from the UK, they all have my respect, (so when you say many places are full of Brits, it doesn't really matter to me)
2- Whatever the nationality of my manager, it is not an issue, the issue is: Do I feel that his/her decisions are fair to both parties (company/employee) or do many pilots feel these decisions are designed to serve a certain agenda? E.g. hiring certain individuals with better privileges over the long serving 320 captains.
3- Let me use your TRE/TRI and RE-TRE example: I think he is from the UK (the term RE-TRE is a UKCAA), will he accept to join the 320 fleet for 4 or 5 years while others are hired as DEC on the 330/777 without type rating? (I can tell you that we have many like him on the 320 and 300 fleet.
4- The reason of writing here is not wining or threatening, but to attract the higher management attention for a public opinion situation, warning of possibility of a chaos in the Flt. Ops. And saving a lot of money by reducing the high turnover numbers.
5- Don't you think it would be more fair, if the decision to change the fleet transfer rules was written this way:
I am not a manager, but I guess if the management team would sit together and make this kind of formula, we would not have such a high no. of pilots opposing.
Just read the other pilots point of view, you will notice it is not only me.
I saw many pilots complaining about the latest fleet transfer plans, I understand their concern.
I will be happy to stay on the 320 forever in these cases:
A- If my airline stops expanding.
B- If I receive the same income/roster duty as per the 330/340.
C- If the company doesn’t hire 320 pilots directly to the 330 while denying me the same right.
Regards.
Thank you for your advice, I would like to ask: will you be happy if you are working for 5 years, then they pass you to hire DECs over your shoulder? (Based on sudden change of rules by a new management team).
Allow me to clarify these points:
1- I have many friends and colleges from the UK, they all have my respect, (so when you say many places are full of Brits, it doesn't really matter to me)
2- Whatever the nationality of my manager, it is not an issue, the issue is: Do I feel that his/her decisions are fair to both parties (company/employee) or do many pilots feel these decisions are designed to serve a certain agenda? E.g. hiring certain individuals with better privileges over the long serving 320 captains.
3- Let me use your TRE/TRI and RE-TRE example: I think he is from the UK (the term RE-TRE is a UKCAA), will he accept to join the 320 fleet for 4 or 5 years while others are hired as DEC on the 330/777 without type rating? (I can tell you that we have many like him on the 320 and 300 fleet.
4- The reason of writing here is not wining or threatening, but to attract the higher management attention for a public opinion situation, warning of possibility of a chaos in the Flt. Ops. And saving a lot of money by reducing the high turnover numbers.
5- Don't you think it would be more fair, if the decision to change the fleet transfer rules was written this way:
[ Fleet transfers from the 320 to the wide body types will require a min. Total time of xxxx hours, including PIC time on heavy jet not less than yyyy hrs, preferences will be given to pilots with previous wide body rating. Pilots should have a clean record with QA]
Just read the other pilots point of view, you will notice it is not only me.
I saw many pilots complaining about the latest fleet transfer plans, I understand their concern.
I will be happy to stay on the 320 forever in these cases:
A- If my airline stops expanding.
B- If I receive the same income/roster duty as per the 330/340.
C- If the company doesn’t hire 320 pilots directly to the 330 while denying me the same right.
Regards.
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QR = Trashcan of the middle east!
Is this it?
Did they finally manage to degrade QR 100% to the second league in the Middle East, after EK/EY/GF/...
Morale is at an all time low in all levels of employees
Management very busy deploying an auto-destruction program
More pilots/cabin crew leaving than joining
Traffic loads are down at their lowest level since a long time
Skytrax ratings ( for what they are worth) are down
I dont know about you guys, but I am getting a bit fed up with the feeling that I am working for the gulf's dumpster-airline!
Last night I met up with some EY friends, and I felt like they where almost feeling sorry for me, the poor QR pilot!
Bad news is that EK does not want us and at EY the DEC hiring has been stopped for now. I am afraid pretty soon QR's reputation is going to catch up with all of us, leaving us no descent option where to go..
How is it possible it ever came this far???? An airline with all the potential in the world. And yet a start up airline such as EY, remember they only started up end 2003, managed with an eary ease to catch up and jump over us!
And now all the dark clouds hanging over flight ops....makes me almost depressed!
Did they finally manage to degrade QR 100% to the second league in the Middle East, after EK/EY/GF/...
Morale is at an all time low in all levels of employees
Management very busy deploying an auto-destruction program
More pilots/cabin crew leaving than joining
Traffic loads are down at their lowest level since a long time
Skytrax ratings ( for what they are worth) are down
I dont know about you guys, but I am getting a bit fed up with the feeling that I am working for the gulf's dumpster-airline!
Last night I met up with some EY friends, and I felt like they where almost feeling sorry for me, the poor QR pilot!
Bad news is that EK does not want us and at EY the DEC hiring has been stopped for now. I am afraid pretty soon QR's reputation is going to catch up with all of us, leaving us no descent option where to go..
How is it possible it ever came this far???? An airline with all the potential in the world. And yet a start up airline such as EY, remember they only started up end 2003, managed with an eary ease to catch up and jump over us!
And now all the dark clouds hanging over flight ops....makes me almost depressed!
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Emotions are running high at the moment and many people are, rightfully, very disappointed with what is going on. But I would not go exactly as far as for example schneidertrophy...
Things are far from perfect overhere, but I still think that besides EK who are playing in a league of their own, all other carriers are pretty much the same!
They work you hard, brake promisses and change policies more often than you hopefully change your underwear, but after all it is just a job!
The money will be in the account exactly when it should be and you will get a proper type rating and very good worldwide experience if you need that!
Regarding which company to join, that is a personal choice I would say, mostly dictated by the type of lifestyle you are looking for.
All I can say is "do your research and than do it once more". A middle eastern airline is a far cry away from the company you are probably used to, and this on ALL levels. The same goes for the private life you copuld expect here.
And networks should be part of that research but take it with a pinch of salt. Many people here will only speak up when unhappy, the happy ones are sitting by the pool getting pissed.
People come and people go. I have seen many people leave over the last few years but on the other hand, there still are quiet a few western expats here who have been here for a loooong time and who have no plans to leave!
Good luck!
Things are far from perfect overhere, but I still think that besides EK who are playing in a league of their own, all other carriers are pretty much the same!
They work you hard, brake promisses and change policies more often than you hopefully change your underwear, but after all it is just a job!
The money will be in the account exactly when it should be and you will get a proper type rating and very good worldwide experience if you need that!
Regarding which company to join, that is a personal choice I would say, mostly dictated by the type of lifestyle you are looking for.
All I can say is "do your research and than do it once more". A middle eastern airline is a far cry away from the company you are probably used to, and this on ALL levels. The same goes for the private life you copuld expect here.
And networks should be part of that research but take it with a pinch of salt. Many people here will only speak up when unhappy, the happy ones are sitting by the pool getting pissed.
People come and people go. I have seen many people leave over the last few years but on the other hand, there still are quiet a few western expats here who have been here for a loooong time and who have no plans to leave!
Good luck!
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What efforts?
Dont even want to try to stop what is coming, as it is inevitable. Just want to keep it a fair game till the end, this can only contribute to the finesse of the end result, if you know what I am saying!
Exagerations and lies will not help us a to get an inch further....
Dont even want to try to stop what is coming, as it is inevitable. Just want to keep it a fair game till the end, this can only contribute to the finesse of the end result, if you know what I am saying!
Exagerations and lies will not help us a to get an inch further....
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QA not Qatar...
HI,
From my point of view i see that Qatar,Doha is not a bad place to stay,but everyone have to understand that Doha is a family oriented place,very safe...
plus everybody should know that it is still a new city trying to catch up,but at the end its OK to stay in...for sure there are some things that the city is missing,,but it should be known thing before joining the company.
From my point of view i see that Qatar,Doha is not a bad place to stay,but everyone have to understand that Doha is a family oriented place,very safe...
plus everybody should know that it is still a new city trying to catch up,but at the end its OK to stay in...for sure there are some things that the city is missing,,but it should be known thing before joining the company.
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Quote:
"more pilots/cabin crew leaving than joining.."
Well this might be the reason why we are flying more and more, and our roster is getting bad to worse every month..!?..Saving cost well maybe but it's not the only reason...
Otherwise i don't think it's in the benefit of the company to make the life of the crew more miserable...!Probably they don't have that much option available!
"more pilots/cabin crew leaving than joining.."
Well this might be the reason why we are flying more and more, and our roster is getting bad to worse every month..!?..Saving cost well maybe but it's not the only reason...
Otherwise i don't think it's in the benefit of the company to make the life of the crew more miserable...!Probably they don't have that much option available!
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Any 320 CCQ?
It is Eid holidays; it will be quiet in the flt ops for few days. Let me ask if any 330 instructor got 320 CCQ training during October?
This will indicate if the MFF is really happening or is it just a mirage.
This will indicate if the MFF is really happening or is it just a mirage.
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CCQ 330 to 320
Yes 320 man, I can tell you that (4) 330 TREs are rostered for their 320 CCQ during October.
I think it means the wheel is turning, let us see if any 320 to 330 movement will happen during November?
I think it means the wheel is turning, let us see if any 320 to 330 movement will happen during November?
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Indeed, four 330 TREs are planned for CCQ 320 this month, but beware, they will be only SFEs!! so they will do the 320 sim sessions.
In other words: 320 TREs congratulations: you became 320 Line instructors with TRE salary (enjoy the double rotations)
In other words: 320 TREs congratulations: you became 320 Line instructors with TRE salary (enjoy the double rotations)
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Ronaldo 330 said:
Ronaldo, well said, I hope someone is listening to sound of reason.
Who is manipulation system ?? Rostering with rules like climatazed and unclimatazed in India , new bond system its ok for new but bad for seniors , B.W and I.M can jump DEC to A330 but want to stop transferes as it cost money , CEO who press his own capt top brake the rules of part A by forcing crew to fly with knife in cabin , terminations without valid reasons , you have to report fit by 20 h for next day as if you are Dr , senior Capt cant get villa becaouse CEO told him to add money but new Capt gets it , people get failed on intervew for not knowing why the sky is blue , that ACN has more restriction then Alcatraz