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Shneidertrphy:
No need to leave immediatly...if we start to fill up ASR, and report unfit to fly due to fatigue(and it's definetly our right and responsability to do it!),believe me it will not take that long before they realize that they have to do something with the roster, other than flooding us with B.S. ACN telling us that roster will improve..!!
Don't forget QCAA is aware of this and is watching.....
No need to leave immediatly...if we start to fill up ASR, and report unfit to fly due to fatigue(and it's definetly our right and responsability to do it!),believe me it will not take that long before they realize that they have to do something with the roster, other than flooding us with B.S. ACN telling us that roster will improve..!!
Don't forget QCAA is aware of this and is watching.....
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5 stars airlines, low cost flt ops
I think we are starting the time of "good pilots" refusing to join QA simply because it is turning to low cost flight operations.
E.g. Unpaid duty time, unpaid DH, removing the days off allowance (if that is true), uniform every 18 months instead of yearly, 3 stars hotels instead of 4 or 5 stars, strict extra fuel policy.
E.g. Unpaid duty time, unpaid DH, removing the days off allowance (if that is true), uniform every 18 months instead of yearly, 3 stars hotels instead of 4 or 5 stars, strict extra fuel policy.
Do you remember the promise for a better roster starting Sep 2008? Better life style…etc.?
Well thank you very much Mr. P.M please let us have the old roster system, at least the 330 crew didn't have to get back DH (unpaid), and the 320 didn't have to fly 3 sectors before a short night stop in India, followed by another 3 sectors on the way back!
Well thank you very much Mr. P.M please let us have the old roster system, at least the 330 crew didn't have to get back DH (unpaid), and the 320 didn't have to fly 3 sectors before a short night stop in India, followed by another 3 sectors on the way back!
That is why any new joiner (who is able to work somewhere else) will think twice before joining QA, or may use it as a transition airlines, which will just keep this airline's flight ops stand still, just trying to catch up by replacing the resigning numbers (another high cost)
Question: are we creating an airline for pilots who have no where else to go to? Or for pilots who is transiting between jobs?
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What new system ??? Did you get nov roster ?? Its hell !!!!!!!
Smart roster management terminated R.P and hired system from Sweden and look what we got : roster full of DH + OFF days not payed + if you survive month maybe you can visit termination/resignation department .
Kick P.M from mananger roster position and kick Mr Mhd from what ever he do and put right people in right places .
O sorry i got to know that P.M cant sleep if R.P dont do roster so he was on knees asking him to help till Dec . what a mananger ha ha ha
Fatique,stress,less sleep and mixed night -day working are main reason for people beeing sick . So Mr. P.M YOU MAKE ME SICK
Smart roster management terminated R.P and hired system from Sweden and look what we got : roster full of DH + OFF days not payed + if you survive month maybe you can visit termination/resignation department .
Kick P.M from mananger roster position and kick Mr Mhd from what ever he do and put right people in right places .
O sorry i got to know that P.M cant sleep if R.P dont do roster so he was on knees asking him to help till Dec . what a mananger ha ha ha
Fatique,stress,less sleep and mixed night -day working are main reason for people beeing sick . So Mr. P.M YOU MAKE ME SICK
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Indeed, the new roster system is hell....for both types…330 and 320 !
Dead Heading is badly used on the 330 & minimum rest is widely used on the 320!
I saw 2 instructors in dispatch complaining of min rest between non training flights followed by training night flights
I couldn't help but wonder ....If the instructors are working like that, what quality of training do you expect?? I don't think it is even safe!
CPT should watch out, he should follow up this stuff.
Dead Heading is badly used on the 330 & minimum rest is widely used on the 320!
I saw 2 instructors in dispatch complaining of min rest between non training flights followed by training night flights
I couldn't help but wonder ....If the instructors are working like that, what quality of training do you expect?? I don't think it is even safe!
CPT should watch out, he should follow up this stuff.
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Well Guys never did get an email to attend sim in Doha.. Did my interview Oct 8th. 5000hrs 767 typed... ??? Find it kind of funny since they keep saying they need people so bad!!
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Airbus master: Wich CP are you talking about to help us...? The 320 one...?No comment..
Snam, that's indeed the only language they will understand here, ASR or report unfit to fly due to fatigue.And you are totally entitled to do it!(OM partA), i will even say that it's your responsability to do it.
i'm not talking about "lazy" guys who report sick simply because they have decided that today they are not in a mood to fly, or they don't want to fly to such a destination, or they don't want to fly wich such a Cpt ...),that different of course, i NEVER done this in Q.A and i will probably never do this kind of think.Yes for me those guys deserve to be threaten!
BUT regarding REAL fatigue, if it continue like that SOON, or later i will have to report unfit to flight,because at the end of the day that's a real safety issue.!
Being threatened...for What..?!
If they do that go straight to the QCAA.(same for fuel policy, when they used to send letter to pilots to intimidate them in order to take minimum fuel or to revise their extra fuel policy), if you still have such a letter ,you should handle it to the QCAA...
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Snam, that's indeed the only language they will understand here, ASR or report unfit to fly due to fatigue.And you are totally entitled to do it!(OM partA), i will even say that it's your responsability to do it.
i'm not talking about "lazy" guys who report sick simply because they have decided that today they are not in a mood to fly, or they don't want to fly to such a destination, or they don't want to fly wich such a Cpt ...),that different of course, i NEVER done this in Q.A and i will probably never do this kind of think.Yes for me those guys deserve to be threaten!
BUT regarding REAL fatigue, if it continue like that SOON, or later i will have to report unfit to flight,because at the end of the day that's a real safety issue.!
Being threatened...for What..?!
If they do that go straight to the QCAA.(same for fuel policy, when they used to send letter to pilots to intimidate them in order to take minimum fuel or to revise their extra fuel policy), if you still have such a letter ,you should handle it to the QCAA...
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Off course they are reading all the ASR, but if only a couple of guys fill up a ASR about fatigue, they will not take it into consideration...
I'm SURE a lot of pilots are tired because of roster issue, but a lot of them don't dare to fill up an ASR.Thats the big problem, because thinks will NEVER improve like that!
I'm SURE a lot of pilots are tired because of roster issue, but a lot of them don't dare to fill up an ASR.
Thats the big problem, because thinks will NEVER improve like that!
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SNAM, dont you think we tried that allready?
This is part of the "divide and conquer" strategy here, make sure a percentage big enough of your pilots have passports/licences whitout any other option so the ones with some more freedom loose their pulling strength!
Some guys can not afford to loose their job (bread and butter) over an issue like fatigue, and they will never write an ASR!
The sad truth in aviation my friend!
This is part of the "divide and conquer" strategy here, make sure a percentage big enough of your pilots have passports/licences whitout any other option so the ones with some more freedom loose their pulling strength!
Some guys can not afford to loose their job (bread and butter) over an issue like fatigue, and they will never write an ASR!
The sad truth in aviation my friend!
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According to OM, anyone can file an ASR.
11.6.1.
Air Safety Reports (ASR) may be submitted by any Company person whether a member of
flight crew or not.
11.6.1.
Air Safety Reports (ASR) may be submitted by any Company person whether a member of
flight crew or not.
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xaxa,
I don't know if you are working for QA or not, but you sure have the "QA attitude" why do we have to point fingers to each others and say things like...READ YOUR O.M.....
The guy just asked a simple question, maybe he doesn't fly for QA and his current company doesn't allow f/o's to file ASR!
Or maybe he is just a new joiner, or even a senior pilot but asking a legitimate question!
Calm down, don't act like some QA instructors and thank you for the answer.
I don't know if you are working for QA or not, but you sure have the "QA attitude" why do we have to point fingers to each others and say things like...READ YOUR O.M.....
The guy just asked a simple question, maybe he doesn't fly for QA and his current company doesn't allow f/o's to file ASR!
Or maybe he is just a new joiner, or even a senior pilot but asking a legitimate question!
Calm down, don't act like some QA instructors and thank you for the answer.
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Sure you can!
Any pilot can write an ASR. If your captain does not have the balls and you feel an ASR is in place, by all means, write one!
Just tell him about your plan.
Any pilot can write an ASR. If your captain does not have the balls and you feel an ASR is in place, by all means, write one!
Just tell him about your plan.
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QAW.
My friend told me about QAW.
One pilot was drinking water after long flight and CEO seen that, he instantly sacked him without explanation. That day outside temperature was 45'C and all passengers were disembarked and only crew was on aircraft.
in another incident CEO sacked one pilot as he was busy in performing cockpit checks and did not regard CEO, pilot was new and he didn't knew about CEO.
CEO sacked many british cabin crew girls who forgot name of single arabic dish.
The only reason this airline is not reaching in top two airlines in world is because crew and staff is always worring about job. No one is taking extra step to make airline better. This way I like Virgin Atlantic. Richard Branson sits, eats and drinks with staff.
My friend suggested same to QAW boss,
Result ..................My friend was sacked.
One pilot was drinking water after long flight and CEO seen that, he instantly sacked him without explanation. That day outside temperature was 45'C and all passengers were disembarked and only crew was on aircraft.
in another incident CEO sacked one pilot as he was busy in performing cockpit checks and did not regard CEO, pilot was new and he didn't knew about CEO.
CEO sacked many british cabin crew girls who forgot name of single arabic dish.
The only reason this airline is not reaching in top two airlines in world is because crew and staff is always worring about job. No one is taking extra step to make airline better. This way I like Virgin Atlantic. Richard Branson sits, eats and drinks with staff.
My friend suggested same to QAW boss,
Result ..................My friend was sacked.
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Ok this is getting way off subject but anyone can file an ASR, pilots, cabin crew, engineers, despatchers, refuellers. And you needn't possess balls to submit one!
Widebody (canadian pilot), in my opinion, perhaps they felt you were overqualified for their current needs for first officers? I went to Doha last week for sim assessment and was told by examiner that they are recruiting for 20 first officers for B777 fleet for courses starting in Nov/Dec. Not recruiting DECs on B777. I'm still waiting with fingers crossed.
Widebody (canadian pilot), in my opinion, perhaps they felt you were overqualified for their current needs for first officers? I went to Doha last week for sim assessment and was told by examiner that they are recruiting for 20 first officers for B777 fleet for courses starting in Nov/Dec. Not recruiting DECs on B777. I'm still waiting with fingers crossed.
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How to avoid crew migration to other airlines?
This is what was written in another thread about Emirates...maybe that is how some airlines should do to keep their staff.
Emirates . Nothing can compare in the Gulf . If you look at a total Package
Consideration Married with 3 children
Full Basic Salary from day One . Even when training
Competitive Salary increment each year however subject to approval ( read ;may not approve) upto 15 payscales
Accommodation provided ( furnished incluidng water power and local telephone)
Adddittional Flying allowance paid per hour .( not much and does'nt tempt you from not going on vacation) But every little helps
Transport to work and back ( Audi Estate) so no seocnd car and no reason to stay awake during late night pick ups and drops
Schooling assistance for upto 3 kids upto their 19th Birthday ( you pay apporx 10%) There is a maximumm cap
Medical for Self and family for inpatient and Insurance cover for Outpaitent provided by company for emplyee and discounted premimum paid by employee for family
Free uniform , suitcase shoes pajamas for ULR
Provident fund contirbution 12-15% based on service
Tickets for self and family and ( one set confirmed every year)
Retirement tickets plus
Medical cover insurance continues after retirement provided premimums paid by employee
Meal allowance abroad -not the highest allowance by a long short .Enough in most places
First class hotels ( most stations)
Rostering . A bidding system that generally works
6 weeks of leave Has to be split so as to afford more staff to go on leave in peak period
Emirates Pilots Club ( pilots organised and very succesfull club memebrship at choice clubs)
quicker connections when travelling on vacations
Great Equipment to fly
Great pilots to fly with
Great destinations
Rapid promotion prospect
Stable Upper Management
Profit Share program
Generally a reasonable fleet managment
Great training facilities
Still expanding
Consideration Married with 3 children
Full Basic Salary from day One . Even when training
Competitive Salary increment each year however subject to approval ( read ;may not approve) upto 15 payscales
Accommodation provided ( furnished incluidng water power and local telephone)
Adddittional Flying allowance paid per hour .( not much and does'nt tempt you from not going on vacation) But every little helps
Transport to work and back ( Audi Estate) so no seocnd car and no reason to stay awake during late night pick ups and drops
Schooling assistance for upto 3 kids upto their 19th Birthday ( you pay apporx 10%) There is a maximumm cap
Medical for Self and family for inpatient and Insurance cover for Outpaitent provided by company for emplyee and discounted premimum paid by employee for family
Free uniform , suitcase shoes pajamas for ULR
Provident fund contirbution 12-15% based on service
Tickets for self and family and ( one set confirmed every year)
Retirement tickets plus
Medical cover insurance continues after retirement provided premimums paid by employee
Meal allowance abroad -not the highest allowance by a long short .Enough in most places
First class hotels ( most stations)
Rostering . A bidding system that generally works
6 weeks of leave Has to be split so as to afford more staff to go on leave in peak period
Emirates Pilots Club ( pilots organised and very succesfull club memebrship at choice clubs)
quicker connections when travelling on vacations
Great Equipment to fly
Great pilots to fly with
Great destinations
Rapid promotion prospect
Stable Upper Management
Profit Share program
Generally a reasonable fleet managment
Great training facilities
Still expanding
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Well Emirates has probably understood since long time that if you have the ambition of building up a strong airlines, you HAVE TO invest in people and known how to motivate them!