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Old 4th Jul 2009, 04:05
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2 things, 1- do you really think they(FD) care what the pilots think 2- do you think they are having a hard time finding pilots at the moment? It is not going to get better for some time, welcome to the Middle East all you are is a laborer with a skill
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 08:35
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Artisan,

No my pay has not been cut and from what I am told is not going to be. I don't have any regrets joining FD at this time. As far as financial strife, I don't think they are. The pay cut was in response with how they percieve the cost of living is here in Dubai, since the cost ol living is down they feel there is no longer a need for the higher rates, doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it. Passenger loads are full going out of dubai and light coming back in. Ask me in about a years time how I like it here, we are to new to have know for sure if FD was a good move or not, hopefully the rosters change by then if not I will re-evaluate my options. Hope that helps.
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 18:53
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With no disrespect to you or any of the other pilots at FD and I know you didnít make the decision but if I am to join FD I will be doing the same job as you right, the only difference is I will be getting paid 10% less.

This is not a good way to start off a company in my opinion, you are instantly dividing the work force and causing animosity among the pilots.

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Old 4th Jul 2009, 19:32
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"This is not a good way to start off a company in my opinion, you are instantly dividing the work force and causing animosity among the pilots."
Agree with the first part, however, after your comma the only animosity that could be, is that of the blokes that accept the deal AND THEN whine.

Unfortunately you are on their grounds, take it or DON'T TAKE IT, no biggie to them many more that would. Too bad we couldn't all band up and show enough unity for just a split second to show the dirty enough already...maybe the next generation.
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Fluffy,

I am by no means endorsing the 10% cut. However, I was taught a long time ago that seniority is key in this line of work and the most junior pilot does the same job as the most senior pilot, but the senior pilot is making an additional $60,000 per year. This doesn't divide the pilots or create any anymosity between them. This 10% pay cut shouldn't do the same for you, if you think that it will then maybe you should really consider whether or not it's worth the stress. Your right, the pilots here had nothing to do with this decision. The only way it would change is if they have a hard time recruiting pilots to come out for the wages offered. The company is still in the early stages of development and it will take some doing to iron out all the wrinkles. Should you decide to take this offer, please don't join with animosity towrds the pilots already here, a 4 hour flight with another pilot pi$$ed at you for something beyond your control is unpleasent for everyone. Remember that unions are illegal here and there is only so much you can do about these kind of changes. All I can say to anyone is you can give it a shot and if you don't like it, leave when you can. Maybe if they know there is going to be a mass exidist, they might provide some incentive for people to stay. This is just my opinion. Good luck with your decision.
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Old 4th Jul 2009, 23:55
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Don't worry too much, it's the UAE, they'll eventually take the 10% from all the pilots! But of course it's in the contract......
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I donít really want this to be a tit for tat thing he said she said conversation.

I wasn't saying it would cause me to have animosity if I was to join and accept the new conditions, I just felt that the actions taken could cause this type of response, and yes like someone pointed out, that scenario will only apply to pilots that join knowing about the 10% drop but still join and then bitch about it afterwards.

I do also agree with your comment that in general a senior pilot will get more money than a junior pilot (with less experienced)

I based my comment about doing the same job for less money on the amount of hours/experience I am lead to believe most of the pilots at FD have (10,000+ hrs), and know that my experience is equally on a par to that of the majority already there. So senior pilot to senior pilot.

Maybe itís a good thing that FD has shown its true colours early on.

I really do wish all that are at FD a happy time and I do honestly believe it will be a nice outfit to work for.
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 05:33
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For all you folks thinking your grandfathered in...why should they continue to pay for your housing at yesterday's rate when today is a minimum 10% less? We all know what contracts mean after 30 seconds in the sun...

Now before the beatings begin. I don't agree with what they are doing, especially this soon. But how sound of a BUSINESS decision is it to allow a higher living allowance for some than others? There is the right thing to do, and then there is always managements way to do. However, if you are already settled in, just start readying yourself...
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 08:18
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Passenger loads are full going out of dubai and light coming back in.
You should see the N. American flights. The only thing that's keeping the loads high is the low yield fares and low frequency.

Maybe itís a good thing that FD has shown its true colours early on.
Exactly! I'm actually surprised they've shown their hands so early. The usual MO is to get you here, THEN roll it back. Well, maybe the intended cut is actually 20% or whatever so they're getting half of it out of the way before you sign...who knows. Or maybe 10% cut up front, then the rest through arbitrarily raising the productivity threshold and decreasing the TOS in every other area...

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None of the pilots here are to happy about the 10% cut and now the CFO is making it difficult to get the advance housing allowance. We were all brought over under good faith that we could get the 6 month advance, that we would have about 18 days off per month and pay is what it is and as you say they are starting to show their true colors sort of speak, and undoubtly this will create a recruitment problem, and honestly I hope it does. If you guys voice your opinions about the changes and the lack of faith to uphold their end of the bargain, let your voices be heard before you come and keep looking for other options. Trust goes a long way. For those of us already here, we have to ride it out and try to fix the problems for guys like you coming in behind us. You will find that the ones that will be the most help to you (as a pilot) is the other pilots. If they don't fix the issues they are creating, they will have a hard time keeping and recuiting pilots.
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Well Old King coal
should be a merry old soul
suerly, shouldnt he be.
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Old 5th Jul 2009, 17:00
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Tell that to the CFO
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Old 6th Jul 2009, 14:34
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i can understand people arent ever going to be happy getting less money that they were previously on, but you are really kidding yourself if you think rents havent decreased in dxb. I dont know about you, but a good percentage of my monthly take goes on accommodation - so if you have renewed your lease you would noticed this surely?

A bog standard 2 bed villa in Springs or AA has gone from about 160k a year down to about 100k... similar kind of reductions in apartments at the Marina and so on

i'd have to question the CFOs choices a whole lot more if he didnt react to the new market conditions. We are talking about a startup LCC arent we?

Just wondering - honestly speaking now - whats your priority as you see it...? long term job security and career advancement - or squeeze every last fil out of the airline...
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Old 6th Jul 2009, 18:40
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flymetodubai,

Its not only a cut in housing alowance. Its a cut in BASIC SALARY. What has that go to do with the rents in DXB
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Old 6th Jul 2009, 20:07
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Job security in the airline business are you new? Right now it would be nice to know we will get something out of uprooting our family to the other side of the world. It would also be nice if the transition was as easy as possible, but when your dealing with any management, their word is worth as much as ocean front property in arizona.
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Old 6th Jul 2009, 22:06
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I see what your saying and I agree, and maybe when people decide not to come to Fly Dubai and they have trouble filling pilot seats, then maybe they will reconsider their policy. For right now they are cutting pay and they believe they are right in doing so, as much as we disagree with it, we can't change their way of thinking. People refusing the job offer will have more influence on that aspect than us. I hope things will work out here, there is a lot of potential, but they are starting to stray down the wrong path, time will tell. I am here to help the potential pilots the best I can whether it be good or bad news for pilots. Good luck.

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Old 7th Jul 2009, 11:25
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Don't get fooled... Say no thanks!

Cost of living in Dubai. From today paper. I'm just passing the info. Do what you want.

Gulfnews: Cost of living rises for expats in Abu Dhabi and Dubai

Keep Discovering
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Old 8th Jul 2009, 21:50
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Gulf News: Dubai remains expensive place to live: survey

I can pre-warn any newcomers that although rental prices have dropped, Dubai is still not a cheap place to live. Dont be blinded by the attraction of a tax free lifestyle. Rents and mortgages will soak up a large amount of your salary. General cost of living is higher here than in the UK. Local banks typically offer home loans at 6-7% APR

Gulfnews: Dubai remains expensive place to live: survey

If you decide to join FD, join because you want to and because you know that you and your family will be 100% happy here. This place is not for everyone! It's a small place to live and the extreme temperatures during the summer months limit your daytime activities.
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Old 10th Jul 2009, 10:42
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What's their callsign? Is it flydubai or skydubai?
It's actually "Skidubai"
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Skydubai !!!!!!
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