Life after EK
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From: Terra Firma
There might be "NEWS" of the new Swedish airlines name looking for pilots. I can confess that there are resign's happening but suprisingly appear to be very quiet about it at the moment. (sorry its not a geology continuance of the resignations thread)! 
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From: The Dark side
May I direct you attention to the thread on QR looking for low houred pilots as cadets. On promotion to FO you get $6800 US.
Interesting figure $6800..exactly the same as an EK Captain earns after a year in the left seat!!
And you are going to buy a house in Europe feed and educate you kids and live a resonable life in Dubai on that...get real!!!
1US=3.65 DHMs
And still they stay!! Why wait for a command for that kind of insulting salary? This time the Euro exchange rate is not a factor.
Interesting figure $6800..exactly the same as an EK Captain earns after a year in the left seat!!
And you are going to buy a house in Europe feed and educate you kids and live a resonable life in Dubai on that...get real!!!
1US=3.65 DHMs
And still they stay!! Why wait for a command for that kind of insulting salary? This time the Euro exchange rate is not a factor.
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From: The Dark side
Global it does not actually say that but if you are sure I won't argue the toss.
Even compared with an EK FO the experience differencial of the two is enormous and tends to lend further support to the undeniable fact that EK are grossly underpaid. I find it hard to accept that my salary, the yardstick of my success in my career has me on level pegging with a cadet FO!!
I am so glad that witthin a few months I will be able to put this behind me and rebuild a career. For those of you frantically swimming in the pool. Learn from it!!
For those awaiting upgrade read quarefellas post on good news and bad news.
Even compared with an EK FO the experience differencial of the two is enormous and tends to lend further support to the undeniable fact that EK are grossly underpaid. I find it hard to accept that my salary, the yardstick of my success in my career has me on level pegging with a cadet FO!!
I am so glad that witthin a few months I will be able to put this behind me and rebuild a career. For those of you frantically swimming in the pool. Learn from it!!
For those awaiting upgrade read quarefellas post on good news and bad news.
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From: Middle East
Going back to the original thread, I know of 3 B777 resignations and 2 A330. I would say that is just the start. The ball will start rolling and IMHO we will loose about 10% of the pilot force. Trouble is where do you go. There is not alot out there. You get people going to Ryanair but they are passing guys coming the other way. I have a colleague in SQ who is not a happy man and he is not alone. The disturbing news as in other threads on the forum is concerning rumours about T & C's being changed. This will definitely be a breach of contract and I think it will get interesting. As to people joining, if the T & C's are changed then that just might put the nail in the coffin for expansion plans.
Have to just wait and see.
Have to just wait and see.
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From: Canada
Etihad New Management New Contract
Allegedly EH now has LH management. New contract basic sal skip 35k. As opposed to 26.4k (highest achievable salary for a line skip) plus duty
day 700. When I had a chat with the QA mngr there (ex recruitment EH) he said they don't know where to get the 777 drivers from, absolutely no idea. That was a month ago. Some local FO I had with me the other day said, changes @ EH under way, better contract. Reshuffle in MNGMT. Well, that guy was right. Details yet to be confirmed. Stay tuned. EK will improve the pay? Don't hold your breath, budd. EH news is brandnew. A lot of guys complained about the "old" management. No SOPs etc. Lots of Malaysian A drivers happy as pigs, though. Some local EK FOs about to jump ship. All from AUH. Again, when I talked with the QA mngr, he said all EH pilots do 95 hours every month, period. Q: can one bid days off back to back for commuting abroad? A: your kidding, right? That was a month ago. Now I hear LH management is in charge. They don't stand for wrecking pilots. Never have. Let's hope it's all true. Some other news bit: EH A346 will fly to MEL and other Oz dest in 06.
day 700. When I had a chat with the QA mngr there (ex recruitment EH) he said they don't know where to get the 777 drivers from, absolutely no idea. That was a month ago. Some local FO I had with me the other day said, changes @ EH under way, better contract. Reshuffle in MNGMT. Well, that guy was right. Details yet to be confirmed. Stay tuned. EK will improve the pay? Don't hold your breath, budd. EH news is brandnew. A lot of guys complained about the "old" management. No SOPs etc. Lots of Malaysian A drivers happy as pigs, though. Some local EK FOs about to jump ship. All from AUH. Again, when I talked with the QA mngr, he said all EH pilots do 95 hours every month, period. Q: can one bid days off back to back for commuting abroad? A: your kidding, right? That was a month ago. Now I hear LH management is in charge. They don't stand for wrecking pilots. Never have. Let's hope it's all true. Some other news bit: EH A346 will fly to MEL and other Oz dest in 06.
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From: The Palm
I think cosmozapper03c meant EY instead of EH. He seems to be well informed.
Being German doesn't mean LH just like being British doesn't mean BA.
There is a lot of uncertainty. The amount of information circulating is amazing. A new Company always has all these rumours flying around. It seems to be difficult for the guys there to know what really is going on and the future plans.
Let's see what happens in the next 2 to 3 months. Testing waters... The management "refinement" will happen by itself. It takes years and in some cases it never ends. Management Gurus, with less than desired records, will fall by the road side as the time goes on. The problem is that some usually do or cannot wait. I just said my wish list...
Being German doesn't mean LH just like being British doesn't mean BA.
There is a lot of uncertainty. The amount of information circulating is amazing. A new Company always has all these rumours flying around. It seems to be difficult for the guys there to know what really is going on and the future plans.
Let's see what happens in the next 2 to 3 months. Testing waters... The management "refinement" will happen by itself. It takes years and in some cases it never ends. Management Gurus, with less than desired records, will fall by the road side as the time goes on. The problem is that some usually do or cannot wait. I just said my wish list...
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From: North of Equator
6100, what are you getting at ? New to the forum or to this desert space ? What significance will that bring ?
BTW, back to the thread. Those boyz from AUH are planning to go home, not jumping ship as you wud hav said. Can't blame them. I would do the same given the circumstances. Same pay ( cud be more too...! ), staying in your own house and getting the allowance at the same time and can stop sreaming down the SZR to go to work , at least from Jebel Ali onwards. For expats, forget it!! Schools, medicals, etc, etc will take a big chunk out of your pay besides the house rental which we all know already. Yeah, only 1 Capt from 777, two co-pilots from the same fleet have resigned. 1 f/o from the bus resigned (or ......) we all know about that one. Heard one or two more Capts from the bus will or have put in their 3 months notice. Thats about all at the moment. Off to check the wadis, it rained last nite !!!
BTW, back to the thread. Those boyz from AUH are planning to go home, not jumping ship as you wud hav said. Can't blame them. I would do the same given the circumstances. Same pay ( cud be more too...! ), staying in your own house and getting the allowance at the same time and can stop sreaming down the SZR to go to work , at least from Jebel Ali onwards. For expats, forget it!! Schools, medicals, etc, etc will take a big chunk out of your pay besides the house rental which we all know already. Yeah, only 1 Capt from 777, two co-pilots from the same fleet have resigned. 1 f/o from the bus resigned (or ......) we all know about that one. Heard one or two more Capts from the bus will or have put in their 3 months notice. Thats about all at the moment. Off to check the wadis, it rained last nite !!!
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Just to correct an earlier point - I heard a talk by a geologist who works for the US Geological survey seconded to the UAE. He was saying they have recently come to the conclusion that the area is much more prone to geological activity than was previously believed.
Interestingly Dubai used to design buildings to earthquake codes- not sure if it still does.
Interestingly Dubai used to design buildings to earthquake codes- not sure if it still does.
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From: Not here any more.
Lots of the posts on Etihad, Gulf, Qatar and Emirates are a bit dated. Which one of them is the best to work with. I'm a 340 skipper, three years on type and 1500 hrs left seat. 14,000 total, 11,000 command, mainly DC-9, MD-83 and 737 NG.
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From: UK
GN,
Thats a good one!
A 737 mate, say Joe, with 10,000 hrs and 3,000 in command can have a DEC at EK. However an EK A330 F/O, say Bill, with 11,000hrs and 5,000 in command (3,000 of which was on the 330) and 2 years at EK can't.
Why? Because there are people in EK management that will say but Joe is a Captain and Bill is an F/O.
Then it is patiently explained that Bill was a Captain, has been outstanding at EK and has more experience than Joe. To further press the point it is added that we actually know nothing about Joe apart from his interview. What response is forthcoming?..........but Joe is a Captain!
Scary really. EK must be one of the few airlines where time spent in the company can actually be detrimental to your command prospects. It will be interesting to see what happens when they run out of upgradeable 777 F/Os. Will they ignore the 330 guys that have been around for 4 years or so in favour of more DECs. Couldn't happen..............could it??
Cerberus
Thats a good one!
A 737 mate, say Joe, with 10,000 hrs and 3,000 in command can have a DEC at EK. However an EK A330 F/O, say Bill, with 11,000hrs and 5,000 in command (3,000 of which was on the 330) and 2 years at EK can't.
Why? Because there are people in EK management that will say but Joe is a Captain and Bill is an F/O.
Then it is patiently explained that Bill was a Captain, has been outstanding at EK and has more experience than Joe. To further press the point it is added that we actually know nothing about Joe apart from his interview. What response is forthcoming?..........but Joe is a Captain!
Scary really. EK must be one of the few airlines where time spent in the company can actually be detrimental to your command prospects. It will be interesting to see what happens when they run out of upgradeable 777 F/Os. Will they ignore the 330 guys that have been around for 4 years or so in favour of more DECs. Couldn't happen..............could it??
Cerberus
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Laugh or cry...don't know which...
...when I read some of the comments here.
My, how the picture changes.
Just a couple of years ago, it was 'life is great, company is great, command just 'round the corner...'
And now it's...'boo hoo, life is terrible, the company has screwed us left, right and center, time to leave, as they can't operate without us, so we'll teach 'em a lesson'.
A rather large group of naive chaps, I must say.
By leaving, you will teach 'em absolutely nothing, as management, whether you like it or not (and I guess some certainly don't) will do it 'their way'...make no mistake.
As PT Barnum opined years ago...there's a sucker born every minute.
And, so there is...
My, how the picture changes.
Just a couple of years ago, it was 'life is great, company is great, command just 'round the corner...'
And now it's...'boo hoo, life is terrible, the company has screwed us left, right and center, time to leave, as they can't operate without us, so we'll teach 'em a lesson'.
A rather large group of naive chaps, I must say.
By leaving, you will teach 'em absolutely nothing, as management, whether you like it or not (and I guess some certainly don't) will do it 'their way'...make no mistake.
As PT Barnum opined years ago...there's a sucker born every minute.
And, so there is...