Life after EK
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Resignations at EK
Well it would appear that the concerted efforts of Adel Al Retard and his old pal TCK are begining to pay off. At last we opening are eyes and voting with our feet. Emirates has forgotten who made this company a success and have decided that we are all expendible, replacable and, like the maids that they abuse, we will accept whatever crap they feel fit to deal out.
The ONLY way that things are going to improve for the remaining guys at EK is if more people leave. I have taken the plunge and believe me it has been for the better. There are SO many jobs out there with T&Cs that are respectable. I am surprised more have not resigned. Perhaps this is the start of the EK exodus!!
Can any one shed any light on the precise numbers of Capts and FOs that have resigned over the last 3-4 months. I will be interested to keep a tally.
Perhaps the recent decision to relocate guys to cheaper villas will push a few more over.
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The ONLY way that things are going to improve for the remaining guys at EK is if more people leave. I have taken the plunge and believe me it has been for the better. There are SO many jobs out there with T&Cs that are respectable. I am surprised more have not resigned. Perhaps this is the start of the EK exodus!!
Can any one shed any light on the precise numbers of Capts and FOs that have resigned over the last 3-4 months. I will be interested to keep a tally.
Perhaps the recent decision to relocate guys to cheaper villas will push a few more over.
There IS life after EK believe me
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AL- ??? Numbers who have resigned ? Not many, I wud say. The footprints that you left will soon dissapear, overwhelmed by the ones coming the opposite way. Why other pilots do not resign ? Thats the problem with most of us who are not happy here,...trying to put others in their same basket. Like you, all of us here are "al-tempo". The next opportunity comes by ( with significant plus sign on it ! ), we will take ours. The fact remains, if you were a Capt, the guys junior to you will take his upgrade before you can say Bye, bye. Facts of life. All the best to you.
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Sometimes we are our own worst enemies. When we have Captains leaving here to go to the right hand seat. Surely that sends out a message on the value of a command at EK.
We are in general far to keen to fly. Even though a company shafts us at every oportunity we still have bright eyed wannabees that just can't wait to get to the front of the queue and be shafted next?!. What happened to maturity and wisdom?
Are we REALLY professionals or are those days over. We act like a bunch of short sighted self centred blue collar workers at times.
If the position of Captain is so good at EK and so worth joining for, and enduring the errosion of T&Cs then why are these guys leaving?
We are in general far to keen to fly. Even though a company shafts us at every oportunity we still have bright eyed wannabees that just can't wait to get to the front of the queue and be shafted next?!. What happened to maturity and wisdom?
Are we REALLY professionals or are those days over. We act like a bunch of short sighted self centred blue collar workers at times.
If the position of Captain is so good at EK and so worth joining for, and enduring the errosion of T&Cs then why are these guys leaving?
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Don't think that Expats. leaving an airline is such a mystery, I've spent a large part of my working life as an expat in both the Middle and Far East.
When FOs leave it is either:
a). They have got what they came for, endorsements and hours, or
b). They didn't get the upgrade as quiclky as they had hoped and feel they are missing out, or,
c). Wife and/or himself don't actually like the expat life and would rather be at home, or
d). They got a better offer.
When Capts. leave it is usually,
a). Wife and/or himself don't actually like the expat life and would rather be at home.
b). The move to the bigger fleet didn't happen as planned and they feel they are missing out, or
c). No career structure is evident, the move to training/management didn't happen, or,
d). They got a better offer.
e). An inability to accept that staying the course of, say, twenty five years as an expat will see your kids through excellent education, buy you a nice house in the UK and give you the opportunity for a happy retirement.
The Gypsy/Millers Court You didn't stay the course so you need not respond.
When FOs leave it is either:
a). They have got what they came for, endorsements and hours, or
b). They didn't get the upgrade as quiclky as they had hoped and feel they are missing out, or,
c). Wife and/or himself don't actually like the expat life and would rather be at home, or
d). They got a better offer.
When Capts. leave it is usually,
a). Wife and/or himself don't actually like the expat life and would rather be at home.
b). The move to the bigger fleet didn't happen as planned and they feel they are missing out, or
c). No career structure is evident, the move to training/management didn't happen, or,
d). They got a better offer.
e). An inability to accept that staying the course of, say, twenty five years as an expat will see your kids through excellent education, buy you a nice house in the UK and give you the opportunity for a happy retirement.
The Gypsy/Millers Court You didn't stay the course so you need not respond.
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Mate, you might want to look at the housing market and cost of living in europe vs the salary in EK. after 25 years of comfortable living, putting your kids through school in the M.E. are you really going to have enough to retire to a nice house and live out retirement? It's better to stay with a charter airline and do the 25 year course with them, get free schooling, live in your own gaff and get a pension. My mates back in the UK are far better off than me, and their wives don't get harrased at the supermarket.
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White Knight - How do you KNOW? How many free schools in the U.K. have you attended? I think Prince Harry could confirm that all the private education in the world can still be an absolute waste of money. Didnt Richard Branson attend U.K. 'free' schooling?
Sorry - I was just passing and thought I would crash you party to say that
Feel free to bombard me your sarcastic quips or ignore me. byee
Sorry - I was just passing and thought I would crash you party to say that
Feel free to bombard me your sarcastic quips or ignore me. byee
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It's called having children old bean
Myself - I went to a jolly expensive school
By the way, Dicky Branson went to free school when discipline was an accepted way of life. These days the damn left wing do-gooders have wormed their way into every part of UK society including education - making it pretty useless...
Myself - I went to a jolly expensive school
By the way, Dicky Branson went to free school when discipline was an accepted way of life. These days the damn left wing do-gooders have wormed their way into every part of UK society including education - making it pretty useless...
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AL ( & also GN ), the point is ...as most of us have seen in this forum, EK is not everything and Dubai is not for everybody. Expats leaving, as someone mentioned, is a contineous thing in an outfit like EK. We have different tolerance level and we also have different avenues to go. Mind you, there are also a lot of Capts who left their previous job to come onto the right seat here in the desert. So, its not an unusual thing. Have you bother asking them about their previous Ts & Cs ? Exodus from EK ? Unlikely I think. A dozen or two from 1200 plus pilots will not be an exodus. ( we only had two this month !! ). I will throw my support for some of us whom are still putting a lot of effort to correct the wrongs in our Ts & Cs, and until such time I will stay put. Good luck to you and hope your plunge will be well rewarded. IMHO.
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I wonder what impact the Tsunami fever will have on the Dubai Economics 5 years hence. I mean the real estate market etc. and the permission for Expats to invest in property....most of which is by the shoreline and some expensive bits are well out into the water. I heard a swell last Tuesday caused some panic in Dubai and Ajman. As Emirates' success depends on the attraction ( artificially created ) of Dubai and vice versa, IMHO EK will not be as profitable or viable a couple of years hence, more so with some tough competition on account of Etihad and Qatar Airways. In such a scenario, obviously EK employees will have to feel the pinch as the management will be forced to cut costs in order for the company to remain viable. This may compel present flight deck and other employees to reconsider options and we may well see more movement out of EK.
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Hi,
Fair comment my Latin friend. The real kicker for those of us here is that the company in its infinite wisdom is getting those cost cutting measures in place NOW and apparently only on the flightcrew side of the operation.
Returning the thread to the original post - who has confirmed nos. of those who have left (both Capts and FOs)? Heard lots of rumours but KNOW of only one case so far.
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Fair comment my Latin friend. The real kicker for those of us here is that the company in its infinite wisdom is getting those cost cutting measures in place NOW and apparently only on the flightcrew side of the operation.
Returning the thread to the original post - who has confirmed nos. of those who have left (both Capts and FOs)? Heard lots of rumours but KNOW of only one case so far.
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VVV,
Sadly, the world will probably have forgotten about the tsunami in about 6 months. Do you remember the tsunami in PNG or the earthquake in Bam? As for Dubai and 'tsunami fever', do you think the Med will be effected too? What about the Florida keys?
Bottom line is that most people are a pretty fickle bunch by nature.
Sadly, the world will probably have forgotten about the tsunami in about 6 months. Do you remember the tsunami in PNG or the earthquake in Bam? As for Dubai and 'tsunami fever', do you think the Med will be effected too? What about the Florida keys?
Bottom line is that most people are a pretty fickle bunch by nature.
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Your points are very valid...
As for the comment directed to you under my name
"and your point is"
...all I can add is that I never wrote that particular post so my advice to all is that a certain degree of caution should be exercised as to what one writes...
As for the comment directed to you under my name
"and your point is"
...all I can add is that I never wrote that particular post so my advice to all is that a certain degree of caution should be exercised as to what one writes...
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Geologists who worked on the rigs etc. once told me that a tsunami big enough to effect the Gulf significantly would probably wipe out half the world. The geological structure around the Gulf is quite sound so the wave effect would come from the Indian Ocean, just imagine the power it would need to get round the neck of the gulf and still cause a significant problem within the Gulf, not to mention the damage that it did on the way.