Emirates - New Conditions
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Show me the Money
Mr Edd's argument is hard to follow as in the Paper every one trusts and has to readThe Gulf news Business section today has this article
Seems EK have 3 Billion $$ Green ones lying around...
So there you have it from the man in the know Mr Flanagan says EK will announce profits higher than last years.....
Seems EK have 3 Billion $$ Green ones lying around...
The carrier is seeking compensation from Airbus to make up for the revenue lost through the delays.
"We won't be modest in our demands," Flanagan said. "When we get our first A380 we should have had 18, a huge hit on the airline and on its revenue producing capability."
Emirates has a cash balance of $3 billion at the moment so doesn't need to borrow to finance fleet expansion. In April at the end of its financial year, the airline will announce profits higher than last year's, Flanagan said, declining to be specific.
"We won't be modest in our demands," Flanagan said. "When we get our first A380 we should have had 18, a huge hit on the airline and on its revenue producing capability."
Emirates has a cash balance of $3 billion at the moment so doesn't need to borrow to finance fleet expansion. In April at the end of its financial year, the airline will announce profits higher than last year's, Flanagan said, declining to be specific.
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This cabin crew briefing is bull!! Once you tell them the flight time, the altitude, and the weather, you lose them. Whatever else you have to say, will be to the walls of the room.
Before my upgrade i saw some hilariously bad briefings by Captains. The best was going on a DOH, the guy spent 20 mins, i kid u not, briefing on how to board the bus yadada. Bored the tits off me.
I've heard from Cabin crew of one guy recently asking them pass or fail questions, i thought that was the pursers job. Then this whole process made them late at the aircraft, tosser.
Most and i mean most do great briefs, short n sweet. I now delegate that its the pursers job to get all the cabin crew to visit the f/deck for team buidling purposes
Thats an operational reason in compliance with the FOM. 
EGGW
I've heard from Cabin crew of one guy recently asking them pass or fail questions, i thought that was the pursers job. Then this whole process made them late at the aircraft, tosser.
Most and i mean most do great briefs, short n sweet. I now delegate that its the pursers job to get all the cabin crew to visit the f/deck for team buidling purposes
Thats an operational reason in compliance with the FOM. EGGW
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Thought the Y2K bug was a bad one...!
Rumer has it that the 1st O'March bug last for 30min and comes around at pickup time.....No cure yet!
Seems 2 me that mr driver will have 2 wait....Sh!T happens!
Rumer has it that the 1st O'March bug last for 30min and comes around at pickup time.....No cure yet!
Seems 2 me that mr driver will have 2 wait....Sh!T happens!
Sorry to tell you peedoff, but you do not get paid for the 60min before a flight. You get paid from when the brake gets released to when the brake gets applied (or the companies guess at how long that will be, which is less than actual in a lot of cases!). Your duty period starts 60mins before STD, not your pay.
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Will we get paid actual flight time in May under the new rules or will it still be the companies guess.
Is anybody interested in forming a pilot representitive group to bring likes and dislikes to the companies attention.
Is anybody interested in forming a pilot representitive group to bring likes and dislikes to the companies attention.
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Because that would be "industrial action". A big no-no.
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It was only a matter of time...
Talk of pilot representative groups; unions; industrial action...
Guys, this is the Middle East. Beyond the gloss and hype of Dubai you still have a ruling class that is fundamentally conservative and traditional. Therefore they still value LOYALTY over all other things (confirmed by HH SA in a recent copy of the staff paper).
Loyalty is important of course because without it control is more difficult. Loss of employee loyalty is seen as a loss of control. We are talking obout some deep-seated fears here. Show disloyalty in any form and you are finished.
I can't see a change from the 'stick' management style currently in force. They will continue to come up with nonsense solutions to all sorts of issues from crew transport to pay structure. But rather than try to make them see sense, better to play the game at their level. That means...
1. Stay below their radar.
2. Utilise Evita '2' option when Adopt fails to do it's job.
3. Put yourself and family first in all decisions.
4. Try not to read PPRuNe!
5. Update your CV and start looking around.
6. When the time is right for you, go home and get on with your life.
Now I'm off to take my own advice!
Guys, this is the Middle East. Beyond the gloss and hype of Dubai you still have a ruling class that is fundamentally conservative and traditional. Therefore they still value LOYALTY over all other things (confirmed by HH SA in a recent copy of the staff paper).
Loyalty is important of course because without it control is more difficult. Loss of employee loyalty is seen as a loss of control. We are talking obout some deep-seated fears here. Show disloyalty in any form and you are finished.
I can't see a change from the 'stick' management style currently in force. They will continue to come up with nonsense solutions to all sorts of issues from crew transport to pay structure. But rather than try to make them see sense, better to play the game at their level. That means...
1. Stay below their radar.
2. Utilise Evita '2' option when Adopt fails to do it's job.
3. Put yourself and family first in all decisions.
4. Try not to read PPRuNe!
5. Update your CV and start looking around.
6. When the time is right for you, go home and get on with your life.
Now I'm off to take my own advice!
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Talk of pilot representative groups; unions; industrial action...
Guys, this is the Middle East. Beyond the gloss and hype of Dubai you still have a ruling class that is fundamentally conservative and traditional. Therefore they still value LOYALTY over all other things (confirmed by HH SA in a recent copy of the staff paper).
Loyalty is important of course because without it control is more difficult. Loss of employee loyalty is seen as a loss of control. We are talking obout some deep-seated fears here. Show disloyalty in any form and you are finished.
I can't see a change from the 'stick' management style currently in force. They will continue to come up with nonsense solutions to all sorts of issues from crew transport to pay structure. But rather than try to make them see sense, better to play the game at their level. That means...
1. Stay below their radar.
2. Utilise Evita '2' option when Adopt fails to do it's job.
3. Put yourself and family first in all decisions.
4. Try not to read PPRuNe!
5. Update your CV and start looking around.
6. When the time is right for you, go home and get on with your life.
Now I'm off to take my own advice!
Guys, this is the Middle East. Beyond the gloss and hype of Dubai you still have a ruling class that is fundamentally conservative and traditional. Therefore they still value LOYALTY over all other things (confirmed by HH SA in a recent copy of the staff paper).
Loyalty is important of course because without it control is more difficult. Loss of employee loyalty is seen as a loss of control. We are talking obout some deep-seated fears here. Show disloyalty in any form and you are finished.
I can't see a change from the 'stick' management style currently in force. They will continue to come up with nonsense solutions to all sorts of issues from crew transport to pay structure. But rather than try to make them see sense, better to play the game at their level. That means...
1. Stay below their radar.
2. Utilise Evita '2' option when Adopt fails to do it's job.
3. Put yourself and family first in all decisions.
4. Try not to read PPRuNe!
5. Update your CV and start looking around.
6. When the time is right for you, go home and get on with your life.
Now I'm off to take my own advice!
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I would just love to see 1500 pilots marching down SZroad in uniform with banners and yelling , at least it could be a guiness book record attempt.
Anyway there is already a union house, union pacific(UP) , union co-op,the new national airline is Etihad or union in english also known as united. And the mosques yell 5 times a day or more and we aint allowed to speak up , what a ****en joke.
Anyway there is already a union house, union pacific(UP) , union co-op,the new national airline is Etihad or union in english also known as united. And the mosques yell 5 times a day or more and we aint allowed to speak up , what a ****en joke.
Imagine 1500 pilots getting deported at the same time.
Speaking of mosques Im really spaced out from them , I am thinking of moving to silicon oasis it there any mosques out there or plans to build them.
Also I heard the union office is at silicon,
in an underground nuclear proof shelter.
Speaking of mosques Im really spaced out from them , I am thinking of moving to silicon oasis it there any mosques out there or plans to build them.
Also I heard the union office is at silicon,
in an underground nuclear proof shelter.
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EK Payrise
Gents, before we get too estatic about the suposed payrise consider the following:
1. Going on leave for a month? Personally I'll be AED3,375 short.
2. For the same reason dont get sick!
3. Profidentfund contributions?
4. Loss of licence payout obviously calculated on basic pay!
5. Profitshare calculations?
Once again the management at EK are showing their true colours, considering we have been pulling in record profits over the last few years! Can anyone imagine what they will come up with if we start loosing money!!!?
Keep on recovering!
1. Going on leave for a month? Personally I'll be AED3,375 short.
2. For the same reason dont get sick!
3. Profidentfund contributions?
4. Loss of licence payout obviously calculated on basic pay!
5. Profitshare calculations?
Once again the management at EK are showing their true colours, considering we have been pulling in record profits over the last few years! Can anyone imagine what they will come up with if we start loosing money!!!?
Keep on recovering!
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This is not about this year's pilots salary budget. My guess is they have worked the figures over the next 5 or 10 years. Into this will be factored:
Savings on Provident Fund contributions
Savings on Profit Sharing
Savings on Sickness
Savings on Insurance/Loss of Licence
Etc Etc. There are probably other advantages.
Each year they can tweak the hourly allowance and call it a raise but the spreadsheets have been run for a few years ahead. It results in a big saving in the long run. That means a big cost to us.
Savings on Provident Fund contributions
Savings on Profit Sharing
Savings on Sickness
Savings on Insurance/Loss of Licence
Etc Etc. There are probably other advantages.
Each year they can tweak the hourly allowance and call it a raise but the spreadsheets have been run for a few years ahead. It results in a big saving in the long run. That means a big cost to us.
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The Good Book
When I signed the bottom of my 'golden contract' I went in with my eyes wide open. I knew how much they were going to pay me. I knew the allowances were dismal, and I knew than any annual payrise was 'money for jam'. How can I or anyone else for that matter turn around now and say after signing an agreement based on a certain understanding that 'they' are not paying me enough? Maybe we all should try to find happiness or fullfilment outside of how much money we make and look maybe at others less fortunate. It is better therefore to give than to receive. Thanks for the payrise EK. I certainly was not expecting anything more than what I signed for...2 payrises in 2 years, wow! Better than any union has ever done for me thats for sure.
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Nice first post. I agree that it is much better to be given a pay rise than a pay cut. But why do you think that the management raised our pay? It certainly isn't because they wanted to make your life more pleasant. They did it because they need to staff their expansion plans and maximise profits. Why haven't they the staff? Emirates offers fast commands on the most modern aircraft in the world, open ended contracts, accommodation and medical care. Dubai is exciting and vibrant and has endless sunshine.
The bosses don't have the staff because the realities of the job and life in Dubai as reported by word of mouth and on forums like this mean the 'package' doesn't stack up. Not having any other realistic vehicle to express opinions about conditions of service, ek staff members tend to use this forum to air their grievances.
It is one of the reasons those conditions have recently improved. Not enough though because I think the long term viability of the work conditions here is the real problem. Still if you have to spend most of your time at work or home dealing with company issues then you may as well get paid for it.
It's nice that you've just signed a contract and your happy with it but bear in mind all the people who go before you that secured your contractual conditions. If it really is enough then volunteer for a pay freeze and take up a position as a sim instructor - enjoy.
The bosses don't have the staff because the realities of the job and life in Dubai as reported by word of mouth and on forums like this mean the 'package' doesn't stack up. Not having any other realistic vehicle to express opinions about conditions of service, ek staff members tend to use this forum to air their grievances.
It is one of the reasons those conditions have recently improved. Not enough though because I think the long term viability of the work conditions here is the real problem. Still if you have to spend most of your time at work or home dealing with company issues then you may as well get paid for it.
It's nice that you've just signed a contract and your happy with it but bear in mind all the people who go before you that secured your contractual conditions. If it really is enough then volunteer for a pay freeze and take up a position as a sim instructor - enjoy.
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Are you withEmitares?
Short summary
6% on basic
3% for those eligible (increment)
45 dhs/hr flying pay for Captains
35 dhs/hr flying pay for F/O's
Both of the above are up to the present productivity levels
Review of education/utilities allowances
Review for training and management pilots
Effective 01 May 2007.
Just the facts.
6% on basic
3% for those eligible (increment)
45 dhs/hr flying pay for Captains
35 dhs/hr flying pay for F/O's
Both of the above are up to the present productivity levels
Review of education/utilities allowances
Review for training and management pilots
Effective 01 May 2007.
Just the facts.
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Emirates
Anybody on who's with Emirates? I'm thinking of applying and have alot of questions.
1. What a/c is used for the sim evaluation?
2. Whats on the sim evaluation
3. Whats on the tech exam?
4. Emirates has a housing allowance or will put you up somewhere. Do they have a "dorm" system?
5. Does the UAE allow pets (my cat) into the country?
1. What a/c is used for the sim evaluation?
2. Whats on the sim evaluation
3. Whats on the tech exam?
4. Emirates has a housing allowance or will put you up somewhere. Do they have a "dorm" system?
5. Does the UAE allow pets (my cat) into the country?
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Crinkle cut
For guys like us, this is heaven.
The inflation here doesn’t affect us because we live on alfalfa seeds planted in the back garden.
Traffic does not exist because we walk and cycle around town, visiting other vegan friends.
The roster doesn’t bother us because we listen to whale music after heavy flights and just chill out.
The 2 tier legal system is up our ally, just turn the other cheek brother.
I have baked some gluten-free biscuits for the labourers across the road, the ones who have been banging away all night.
You must get the latest Peruvian pan flute cd to play in the Audi on the way to work and remember to give the driver a cup of home grown herbal tea.
I have changed my standing bid to night turn-arounds only, to help my EK brethren.
K9 can have my pay rise; I do not need earthly things.
It is better to give than receive.
For guys like us, this is heaven.
The inflation here doesn’t affect us because we live on alfalfa seeds planted in the back garden.
Traffic does not exist because we walk and cycle around town, visiting other vegan friends.
The roster doesn’t bother us because we listen to whale music after heavy flights and just chill out.
The 2 tier legal system is up our ally, just turn the other cheek brother.
I have baked some gluten-free biscuits for the labourers across the road, the ones who have been banging away all night.
You must get the latest Peruvian pan flute cd to play in the Audi on the way to work and remember to give the driver a cup of home grown herbal tea.
I have changed my standing bid to night turn-arounds only, to help my EK brethren.
K9 can have my pay rise; I do not need earthly things.
It is better to give than receive.
Ahad Adump,
I have just spat my organically grown coffee all over my solar powered computer!!!!
Good work fella.
Don
I have just spat my organically grown coffee all over my solar powered computer!!!!
Good work fella.
Don