Emirates - New Conditions
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Emirates - New Conditions
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6% on basic
3% for those eligible (increment)
45 dhs/hr flying pay for Captains
35 dhs/hr flying pay for F/O's
Both of the above are up to the present productivity levels
Review of education/utilities allowances
Review for training and management pilots
Effective 01 May 2007.
Just the facts.
6% on basic
3% for those eligible (increment)
45 dhs/hr flying pay for Captains
35 dhs/hr flying pay for F/O's
Both of the above are up to the present productivity levels
Review of education/utilities allowances
Review for training and management pilots
Effective 01 May 2007.
Just the facts.
Well, not enough to make our eyes water, but a welcome raise never the less....9% + hourly rate........
ps I see that we are looking for a new Deputy CP Airbus---what has happened to the present incumbent FZ
ps I see that we are looking for a new Deputy CP Airbus---what has happened to the present incumbent FZ
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Oh jesus here we go the hourly pay scam, just like the poor bloody cabin crew, an excuse to divide our pay into basic and hourly that does not get any provident fund or profit share.
Just another mirrors and smoke bulls*it that they will expand on over the next few years, so we end up gettin half our pay as hourly and half as basic.
Anyone got the email for Jet Airways
Just another mirrors and smoke bulls*it that they will expand on over the next few years, so we end up gettin half our pay as hourly and half as basic.
Anyone got the email for Jet Airways
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Pay Review
Calculating a basic 76 hr month for a captain, this equates to a 16% payrise, inclusive of the 3% step pay. Those who are going to stay will be pleased to take it..better than nothing but not really up to expectations. However, and it's a pretty big however..I doubt it will do anything whatsoever to encourage those who are planning to leave to change their minds. Nor will it convince others to join who have decided EK is not for them. And I thought that was what the whole reason this pay review was being being reluctantly offered.
Too little, too late. (and I guess Ed the talking mule has only got 1/2 the egg on his face...having promised the world with immediate effect, we get 1/2 of what it needed to be, and we have to wait till May to get it. Maybe Ed will learn from this one?)
Too little, too late. (and I guess Ed the talking mule has only got 1/2 the egg on his face...having promised the world with immediate effect, we get 1/2 of what it needed to be, and we have to wait till May to get it. Maybe Ed will learn from this one?)
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What it does do is admit finally that there is a problem...
Is it enough to solve the problem? I don't think so. It merely matches inflation, over due for years, and minimises EK provident fund contributions.
Does it address the fundamental problem of the demise of the $ quality of life issues? No.
Will it stop those of us looking elsewhere? No.
Those happy enough to stay will be even happier, those leaving may pause for a while but still go.
Too little too late? I think so.
Is it enough to solve the problem? I don't think so. It merely matches inflation, over due for years, and minimises EK provident fund contributions.
Does it address the fundamental problem of the demise of the $ quality of life issues? No.
Will it stop those of us looking elsewhere? No.
Those happy enough to stay will be even happier, those leaving may pause for a while but still go.
Too little too late? I think so.
Last edited by Marooned; 15th Jan 2007 at 13:33.
I hope for the sake of TREs etc that the per hour rate (whats it work out to Euro10 per hour?) also applies to the sim, or they only get half of what is offered.
Interesting that the overtime rate is not changed. In its entire history of being around it has only increased once (last year) from Aed 400 to Aed 460. This rate of Aed 460 per hour is now less that the going rate per hour for most captains when dividing monthly salary (including this new Aed45 per hour) by 78hrs. So anyone doing overtime does so at a discount.
I think its very cheeky to split the increase the way they have. 6% which also applies to provident fund, bonus, next years increment,and periods of leave and the per hour rate that does not. Not that I dont trust the grown ups in charge of EK
, but I think I would feel better if the entire increase was offered as a percentage of the basic, rather than flight pay.
What to do?
Don
Interesting that the overtime rate is not changed. In its entire history of being around it has only increased once (last year) from Aed 400 to Aed 460. This rate of Aed 460 per hour is now less that the going rate per hour for most captains when dividing monthly salary (including this new Aed45 per hour) by 78hrs. So anyone doing overtime does so at a discount.
I think its very cheeky to split the increase the way they have. 6% which also applies to provident fund, bonus, next years increment,and periods of leave and the per hour rate that does not. Not that I dont trust the grown ups in charge of EK
, but I think I would feel better if the entire increase was offered as a percentage of the basic, rather than flight pay.What to do?
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boy oh boy the must be desperate to announce it now already instead of as usual april.
it won't make me stay or recommend anybody to join EK because dubai will still be a s***hole.
it won't make me stay or recommend anybody to join EK because dubai will still be a s***hole.
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You will know they are desperate when they start paying for people to fly to and from the interview process. Anyone willing to bet when that will start? I would guess if things are as bad as they seem it will be sooner rather than later. Should get some interesting applicatants when that starts.
Too little too late, the horses have bolted(bolting) 
its quite obvious that this has been announced to "tempt" people to stay and "tempt" people to join. They will fail on both scores.
The flight pay is less than Pursers, the cheeky gits.
EGGW
its quite obvious that this has been announced to "tempt" people to stay and "tempt" people to join. They will fail on both scores.The flight pay is less than Pursers, the cheeky gits.
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Could be better, it could be snowing!
Talking about snow, I call that a pay freeze (only a inflation awareness payment). Still not enough to stop me thinking that I wish I wasn't here and I hope that the dollar stays good (no hope there) for the 7 year payment so I can afford to pay for the ship outta here.
Thanks to ADEL Another Dubai Expat Lie
Somehow saying that reminds me of ?????, but I can't think of that Whisky name with the ANCHOR on it.
Off to calculate if I can start to pay me debts off.
Cya
Talking about snow, I call that a pay freeze (only a inflation awareness payment). Still not enough to stop me thinking that I wish I wasn't here and I hope that the dollar stays good (no hope there) for the 7 year payment so I can afford to pay for the ship outta here.
Thanks to ADEL Another Dubai Expat Lie
Somehow saying that reminds me of ?????, but I can't think of that Whisky name with the ANCHOR on it.
Off to calculate if I can start to pay me debts off.
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...no, and it won't help to fill the 30 or so slots out of 42 that have not been filled for Feb courses. Not bad...42 slots, only 10 filled. I'm sure the massive payrise will convince many to come. Not.
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So far it works out to just under 80000 dhs per year for me including the extra provident contributions. I am currently on 30500 per month. This raise along with a comparable raise in school allowances is not to bad at all. For me to clear that kind of money in my home country would mean a raise of 160000 dhs per year to account for income tax.
Weather or not it keeps people from leaving or attracts new hires is the last thing on my mind, who cares.
Could it be more...yes, but then again if the company doubled my salary, I would soon get used to the new pay and in about six months would be asking for more. Its just the way things are.
So in the end I thank the company for the raise as it eases the monthly budget pressures and allows me to save a bit more than I did last month.
Once again Thank-you.
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Weather or not it keeps people from leaving or attracts new hires is the last thing on my mind, who cares.
Could it be more...yes, but then again if the company doubled my salary, I would soon get used to the new pay and in about six months would be asking for more. Its just the way things are.
So in the end I thank the company for the raise as it eases the monthly budget pressures and allows me to save a bit more than I did last month.
Once again Thank-you.
7
Grandpa Aerotart
I think it a little naive to expect management to shovel out a huge 'fix all' payrise...that has never happened in the history of industry let alone the aviation industry...as much as it would be nice to see it just won't happen.
What it does do is signal that recognition exists of a problem...if this payrise doesn't solve the problem you'll see another...if it does you won't.
Any manager worth the title will only ever increase T&Cs incrementally until he reaches a point that crews his aeroplanes.
It should be obvious that we have passed the bottom of the sine curve in the last year or so and T&Cs are heading back up again at long last after a good 10 years when that has not been the case.
Where I work we got a substantial payrise last year and the consensus is we will still be scratching to crew the fleet expansions..inevitably if that happens we will get another little payrise and another until we do crew the fleet appropriately.
Every mate I have scattered around the widebody fleets of Asia and the ME says the same thing...they aren't gonna be able to crew the fleet expansions planned for the next year or three.
My, and their attitude is "great!!" Failing a economic downturn the news is all good...relax and enjoy the ride!
Rather than slagging off the payrise as too little, too late why not just accept it graciously and look forward to the next one...but in a realistic fashion.
What it does do is signal that recognition exists of a problem...if this payrise doesn't solve the problem you'll see another...if it does you won't.
Any manager worth the title will only ever increase T&Cs incrementally until he reaches a point that crews his aeroplanes.
It should be obvious that we have passed the bottom of the sine curve in the last year or so and T&Cs are heading back up again at long last after a good 10 years when that has not been the case.
Where I work we got a substantial payrise last year and the consensus is we will still be scratching to crew the fleet expansions..inevitably if that happens we will get another little payrise and another until we do crew the fleet appropriately.
Every mate I have scattered around the widebody fleets of Asia and the ME says the same thing...they aren't gonna be able to crew the fleet expansions planned for the next year or three.
My, and their attitude is "great!!" Failing a economic downturn the news is all good...relax and enjoy the ride!
Rather than slagging off the payrise as too little, too late why not just accept it graciously and look forward to the next one...but in a realistic fashion.
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Hard to know where to start in deconstructing the above post.
It shows no knowledge of the particular problems or solutions at Emirates, in particular the comment that Ts & Cs are on the rise.
Perhaps the poster should shuffle back to his impressively prolific portfolio at D & G GA & Q and Jetblast.
It shows no knowledge of the particular problems or solutions at Emirates, in particular the comment that Ts & Cs are on the rise.
Perhaps the poster should shuffle back to his impressively prolific portfolio at D & G GA & Q and Jetblast.
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1) Last year approx 8% in May, this year 6%...that's the first bad news. (6% not even covering the Dubai rocketing living cost)
2) Pilots committed to fly as much as they can to get the 35-45 DHS per block hours, nothing during your holidays guys.... (Very clever from a management point of view)
3) UA and SA, not for everyone…
4) Effective 1st May, why not immediately.
GOOD NEWS……the wind is blowing on the pilot’s side again?
2) Pilots committed to fly as much as they can to get the 35-45 DHS per block hours, nothing during your holidays guys.... (Very clever from a management point of view)
3) UA and SA, not for everyone…
4) Effective 1st May, why not immediately.
GOOD NEWS……the wind is blowing on the pilot’s side again?
Grandpa Aerotart
Thanks Theidler deconstruct away.
I spend enough time in DXB each month enroute other destinations and have enough friends working there to have a realistic idea of what living/working there entails.
So you don't consider 25% odd NET over two consecutive years significant or a change for the better? I know you guys get indirect taxed to death but then so do most people in most countries...you don't pay income tax YET.
I agree it probably isn't enough...it aint nearly enough to entice me from my nice Boeings here to your nice Boeings there...I am not sure anything would actually...but lets be realistic shall we?
What would you have considered fair...40%?
I think in time it might get to that...all I am suggesting is that to expect airline management to award a huge 'cure all' payrise that satisfies everyones expectations is to deny life's realities.
So now I'll shuffle off back to fun topics...and leave you to your developing ulcer
I spend enough time in DXB each month enroute other destinations and have enough friends working there to have a realistic idea of what living/working there entails.
So you don't consider 25% odd NET over two consecutive years significant or a change for the better? I know you guys get indirect taxed to death but then so do most people in most countries...you don't pay income tax YET.
I agree it probably isn't enough...it aint nearly enough to entice me from my nice Boeings here to your nice Boeings there...I am not sure anything would actually...but lets be realistic shall we?
What would you have considered fair...40%?
I think in time it might get to that...all I am suggesting is that to expect airline management to award a huge 'cure all' payrise that satisfies everyones expectations is to deny life's realities.
So now I'll shuffle off back to fun topics...and leave you to your developing ulcer