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Oh no doubt Yani has a very valid point about many of the the things he stated on this subject and I agree with much of it. Let's not forget though that even still Yani WILL be a captain in less than 5 years from the day he started and there is a good chance he will be a wide body capt at that.
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EY may not be perfect, and Yani has raised a few valid points. However from the amount of complaining from EK pilots on this forum, EK isn't perfect either.
Look at the airline and how it suits YOUR particular circumstances. Three and a half years to upgrade ??? How long for a new joiner in QF, CX, BA etc. Ten + years in the right hand seat isn't too bad if you're 22 when you join, not so if you're 45.
Transport to work may not be provided but taxis are cheap, and parking is free if you want to use your own car. Family need two cars ? Buy a ten year old Corolla for US$2000 for the airport.
EY have an end of service benefit of 35 days basic pay for each year in the company, not fantastic but better than nothing.
EY allow you to request either a particular trip or 4 days off in a row each month. EK have bid groups, but see thread concerning max days off in a row, commuting now very difficult.
EK exchange rate protection scheme only protects a percentage of your income by a certain amount, once again see thread on this forum.
In your FREE apartment accommodation central aircon is provided, leaving you with a small bill for lights and water. Not so in the villas where in summer the utilities will cost an arm and a leg.
EY aim for 750-800 hours a year and pay less than EK. EK pilots earn more but complain about fatigue from ULR and max hours.
Yes, a few bad points with EY but then what airline doesn't have any ? If you can't live with them apply elsewhere. If anyone finds the ideal mix of work, family life, salary, benefits etc please let the rest of us know.
Look at the airline and how it suits YOUR particular circumstances. Three and a half years to upgrade ??? How long for a new joiner in QF, CX, BA etc. Ten + years in the right hand seat isn't too bad if you're 22 when you join, not so if you're 45.
Transport to work may not be provided but taxis are cheap, and parking is free if you want to use your own car. Family need two cars ? Buy a ten year old Corolla for US$2000 for the airport.
EY have an end of service benefit of 35 days basic pay for each year in the company, not fantastic but better than nothing.
EY allow you to request either a particular trip or 4 days off in a row each month. EK have bid groups, but see thread concerning max days off in a row, commuting now very difficult.
EK exchange rate protection scheme only protects a percentage of your income by a certain amount, once again see thread on this forum.
In your FREE apartment accommodation central aircon is provided, leaving you with a small bill for lights and water. Not so in the villas where in summer the utilities will cost an arm and a leg.
EY aim for 750-800 hours a year and pay less than EK. EK pilots earn more but complain about fatigue from ULR and max hours.
Yes, a few bad points with EY but then what airline doesn't have any ? If you can't live with them apply elsewhere. If anyone finds the ideal mix of work, family life, salary, benefits etc please let the rest of us know.
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Guys you can apply on-line through Etihad's careers website.
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Hello!
I am considering to apply for the 320 job that EY is advertising on their web page. Any of you that know anything about which routes they fly on the 320? Many night stops away or is the intention to do turnarounds and return to Abu Dhabi? Block hours per month? For how long is the bond for the type rating? How long can I expect to stay on the 320 fleet? Is it possible to bid for a new type or bid to remain on the present one or is it just allocated management?
Some kind of info regarding roster patterns would also be very interesting.
I have read many of the threads here but have not been able to get info regarding the above things so any info at all will be very is appreciated.
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I am considering to apply for the 320 job that EY is advertising on their web page. Any of you that know anything about which routes they fly on the 320? Many night stops away or is the intention to do turnarounds and return to Abu Dhabi? Block hours per month? For how long is the bond for the type rating? How long can I expect to stay on the 320 fleet? Is it possible to bid for a new type or bid to remain on the present one or is it just allocated management?
Some kind of info regarding roster patterns would also be very interesting.
I have read many of the threads here but have not been able to get info regarding the above things so any info at all will be very is appreciated.
Thanks
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Routes - Anything in range of the 320. ME, Pak, Ind, Saudi, Cairo, Jordan, Leb etc.
Some night stops.
Block hrs - pass, not on the 320.
Change of type, in theory yes,,,,,, after 12 mths.... in theory....
Roster patterns, cant say but any roster PATTERN would be nice....
METRO MAN,
You forgot to mention the 3+ months living in a hotel room....
...if you get an apartment, you might be lucky and get a single bedroom opposite the trg centre 47kms from town.....
Then why have my neighbours had weeks off after doing 900hrs in less than 12 months?
Why do they look like they have come off a tour of duty in Iraq after a ULR flight..?
EY still have a LOT of work to do before they start on an upward slope.
The workers are still the poor cousins to the F1!
However it is still quite relaxed as opposed to maybe Qatar/Gulf & maybe EK..?
Some night stops.
Block hrs - pass, not on the 320.
Change of type, in theory yes,,,,,, after 12 mths.... in theory....
Roster patterns, cant say but any roster PATTERN would be nice....
METRO MAN,
You forgot to mention the 3+ months living in a hotel room....
...if you get an apartment, you might be lucky and get a single bedroom opposite the trg centre 47kms from town.....
EY aim for 750-800 hours a year and pay less than EK. EK pilots earn more but complain about fatigue from ULR and max hours.
Why do they look like they have come off a tour of duty in Iraq after a ULR flight..?
EY still have a LOT of work to do before they start on an upward slope.
The workers are still the poor cousins to the F1!
However it is still quite relaxed as opposed to maybe Qatar/Gulf & maybe EK..?
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Thanks CT7
I get your point about roster "pattern". However, I was reading on an EK thread where they were complaining because they only got 6 days off in a row and only a few got 7,8,9 and only 10% got 10 days off in a row. This does not seem too bad to me so I wanted to get an idea of how you guys are doing in EY.
I don't mind getting some hours. I did 340h last year. About 60 in the last 6 months. In some ways it is heaven on earth to fly that little but I still don't get to be home that much due to poor planning from our roster dep. I get paid more or less the same as you guys but my career is not coming together and I don't want to be stuck on an old aircraft type (MD80) in a small company if we are heading into less favourable times in the near future.
I think that I will like the job in EY. Not sure if my girlfriend can get a qualified job (lawyer) but if she can my main concern will be if we will be happy in Abu Dhabi in general. Short term I am sure we will like it. Long term I don't know. For us it will be all about the friends we make down there and what we will do in our spare time. The climate is certainly nicer than in Sweden.
If I compare what people in CX, EK and EY say in this forum I actually do get the impression that EY pilots are the least disapointed. At least you don't seem to scream as loud as some of the others. :-)
I get your point about roster "pattern". However, I was reading on an EK thread where they were complaining because they only got 6 days off in a row and only a few got 7,8,9 and only 10% got 10 days off in a row. This does not seem too bad to me so I wanted to get an idea of how you guys are doing in EY.
I don't mind getting some hours. I did 340h last year. About 60 in the last 6 months. In some ways it is heaven on earth to fly that little but I still don't get to be home that much due to poor planning from our roster dep. I get paid more or less the same as you guys but my career is not coming together and I don't want to be stuck on an old aircraft type (MD80) in a small company if we are heading into less favourable times in the near future.
I think that I will like the job in EY. Not sure if my girlfriend can get a qualified job (lawyer) but if she can my main concern will be if we will be happy in Abu Dhabi in general. Short term I am sure we will like it. Long term I don't know. For us it will be all about the friends we make down there and what we will do in our spare time. The climate is certainly nicer than in Sweden.
If I compare what people in CX, EK and EY say in this forum I actually do get the impression that EY pilots are the least disapointed. At least you don't seem to scream as loud as some of the others. :-)
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Look, every airline has it's problems, but they tend to learn from them and fix them. Our mngt cant learn. If they get good ideas they get fired for being more intell'gent than their bosses. And the bosses dont know how to run airlines.
Oh and the 4 days off in a row may start with a signoff at 2355 the day before and after 4 days start at 0015.....
EG sending letters out about hair length (1 person concerned) whilst we almost suffered 2 dual eng failures (on A330!)
Whats more important.
I'll pm you a law company, it may help.
Just come with an open, very open mind. And expect to see the wheel reinvented again and again in all shapes except round....
Oh and leave the cold weather clothes behind. Its already 41 here....
OH and more importantly, your girlfriend won't be allowed to live with you.....
Oh and the 4 days off in a row may start with a signoff at 2355 the day before and after 4 days start at 0015.....
EG sending letters out about hair length (1 person concerned) whilst we almost suffered 2 dual eng failures (on A330!)
Whats more important.
I'll pm you a law company, it may help.
Just come with an open, very open mind. And expect to see the wheel reinvented again and again in all shapes except round....
Oh and leave the cold weather clothes behind. Its already 41 here....
OH and more importantly, your girlfriend won't be allowed to live with you.....
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Hy guys,
if you go for the interview you can expect a very friendly and fair treatment.
It consists of 3 days. 1st day you start with filling out formularies and showing your credentials and logboks. Thereafter you go for a 25 min. tech. multiple choice 40 questions test. You want to study the jepp chapter 1 , rules of the air, definitions, rwy lightning and markings etc.
After you continue with an english test, as well 25 min. No big deal really, even for non english speakers. The last test is a 200 psicho test , the kind you get in most companies when you apply for a job. No time to think much, just be yourself and remember some questions will be repeated in a different way so they may catch you cheating. No way to train on this test. the last exercise before the personal interview is a group task. there you will be check on your crm and teamwork interaction as well as comm skills.
The final interview is where 2 capts, I had one from airbus and one from boeing, will tell you if you made it for the 2nd day, the sim check. If they start asking about yourself and carreer and some tech questiosn as ETOPS, RVSM, NAT or PAC contingencies this means you are on your way to the sim ride. There you can expect to travel to Dubai for it if you are a Boeing dude
We did some airwork after take off and thereafter a raw data ils where you must not deviate more than one dot .
If you did aright on the sim, you are clear for the medical check in AUH, next to some hot brand new F/As on the same road as you.
Enjoy it and wish you all good luck.
if you go for the interview you can expect a very friendly and fair treatment.
It consists of 3 days. 1st day you start with filling out formularies and showing your credentials and logboks. Thereafter you go for a 25 min. tech. multiple choice 40 questions test. You want to study the jepp chapter 1 , rules of the air, definitions, rwy lightning and markings etc.
After you continue with an english test, as well 25 min. No big deal really, even for non english speakers. The last test is a 200 psicho test , the kind you get in most companies when you apply for a job. No time to think much, just be yourself and remember some questions will be repeated in a different way so they may catch you cheating. No way to train on this test. the last exercise before the personal interview is a group task. there you will be check on your crm and teamwork interaction as well as comm skills.
The final interview is where 2 capts, I had one from airbus and one from boeing, will tell you if you made it for the 2nd day, the sim check. If they start asking about yourself and carreer and some tech questiosn as ETOPS, RVSM, NAT or PAC contingencies this means you are on your way to the sim ride. There you can expect to travel to Dubai for it if you are a Boeing dude
We did some airwork after take off and thereafter a raw data ils where you must not deviate more than one dot .If you did aright on the sim, you are clear for the medical check in AUH, next to some hot brand new F/As on the same road as you.
Enjoy it and wish you all good luck.
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OH and more importantly, your girlfriend won't be allowed to live with you.....
Well, she keeps her space in the apartment and... (you know the rest).Watch housing. EK is better equipped despite all the shortcomings. Read this article please: http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Rea.../10201244.html
and this:
Real estate prices in Abu Dhabi are to shoot up by as much as 25% in 2008, HSBC said in a report, just the latest to predict surging prices will continue unabated in the UAE capital.
Rents and property prices in Abu Dhabi surged 22% and 18% respectively in the second half of 2007, according to HSBC, while office rents have grown around 40% over the last two years, according to property consultancy Colliers.
Some estimates put the shortage of houses in the emirate as high as 50,000 for 2008, while the costs for materials such as cement and steel is expected to rise 19% this year.
Soaring housing costs have fuelled inflation in the UAE, which hit a 19-year high of 9.3% in 2006, the last official figure, and is predicted to hit a 20-year high of 12% this year.
Around 50% of inflation is caused by a shortage of housing supply, officials have said.
Despite runaway prices HSBC said prices were still low compared to other major cities around the world such as London, Paris or Zurich.
Abu Dhabi-based Sorouh Real Estate said earlier this month the price of homes in the capital could rise by at least 20% this year because of supply constraints.
In an effort to control rents and inflation, Abu Dhabi last month followed Dubai's lead and lowered its rent cap from 7% to 5%.
However, analysts have questioned whether the lowering the cap will make any difference to inflation.
Rents and property prices in Abu Dhabi surged 22% and 18% respectively in the second half of 2007, according to HSBC, while office rents have grown around 40% over the last two years, according to property consultancy Colliers.
Some estimates put the shortage of houses in the emirate as high as 50,000 for 2008, while the costs for materials such as cement and steel is expected to rise 19% this year.
Soaring housing costs have fuelled inflation in the UAE, which hit a 19-year high of 9.3% in 2006, the last official figure, and is predicted to hit a 20-year high of 12% this year.
Around 50% of inflation is caused by a shortage of housing supply, officials have said.
Despite runaway prices HSBC said prices were still low compared to other major cities around the world such as London, Paris or Zurich.
Abu Dhabi-based Sorouh Real Estate said earlier this month the price of homes in the capital could rise by at least 20% this year because of supply constraints.
In an effort to control rents and inflation, Abu Dhabi last month followed Dubai's lead and lowered its rent cap from 7% to 5%.
However, analysts have questioned whether the lowering the cap will make any difference to inflation.
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Some estimates put the shortage of houses in the emirate as high as 50,000 for 2008_, while the costs for materials such as cement and steel is expected to rise 19% this year.
However it just goes to show that a sticker on an F1 car is more important than the houses you put your staff in......
115000/120000 will get you nothing in AUH...
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Hello,
I'm looking very close at EY.
Currently in my early 30's with 5000hrs and recently gained a Fokker 100 command.- Could I realisticaly apply for the 777 or A340 without a type rating? Would I have to marry my girlfriend to move her out there? Are partners happy. ie. Is there much of a social scene at the moment?
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I'm looking very close at EY.
Currently in my early 30's with 5000hrs and recently gained a Fokker 100 command.- Could I realisticaly apply for the 777 or A340 without a type rating? Would I have to marry my girlfriend to move her out there? Are partners happy. ie. Is there much of a social scene at the moment?
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I would apply and let the company say if you are qualified or not. Now as for your lady friend given the climate of things in the ME and how they feel about live in significant others I would think you would have to marry her.
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Hi 2 all of you.I ve made some serius thoughts about EY.Just a couple of usual questions.(pm the answers if u wish).Housing.I ve heard rumors of all kind.From a nice appartment close to airport till a s hole in the middle od nowhere 50 km away from town.Rostering and annual leave.I am mostly intersted in monthly rostering.Any chance for 5,6 or 7 days off in a row?(ok dont laugh!!!!).How about command upgrade?
Thanks a lot 2 all of you
hole in the middle od nowhere 50 km away from town.Rostering and annual leave.I am mostly intersted in monthly rostering.Any chance for 5,6 or 7 days off in a row?(ok dont laugh!!!!).How about command upgrade?Thanks a lot 2 all of you
5,6 or 7 days off
No chance on 5, 6 or 7 days off in a row.
Upgrades 2 to 3 years. No DEC on widebodies, some on the 320. Non rated FO's being recruited on the on the 777 to allow the current FO's to upgraded to A330 Captain.
Upgrades 2 to 3 years. No DEC on widebodies, some on the 320. Non rated FO's being recruited on the on the 777 to allow the current FO's to upgraded to A330 Captain.