Tintin

Is there any Quebecois left @ EY?

John60

Dear Severely Jetlagged, B777 FOs have been in the upgrade process since last winter. Coming from a different fleet there is a GCAA requirement to fly 300 hours from the right seat before transfer to the Left. These Guys have been in the Company +3 years and if am not wrong they were the last batch of B777 FOs to benefit from Cross fleet upgrade.

What different does it make if DECs were invited before or after 1 July. The FACT is they have invited as many to fill all starting classes until year end and they are now interviewing DECs for next year. Meanwhile NO UPGRADES within.

frieghtdog

John 60 is speaking the truth , I interviewed at the end of July and we where two F.O with six Captains ,all made it .

Leboeuf

How long is the waiting time for the interview at present ?
I am on the 320 , do they follow a "seniority list" for the upgrade on the 320 ?

Laker

I think you will have to wait 2-4 months for an interview. Sounds like they are getting a little backed up. As for upgrade I believe it will be quite long. They claim to be upgrading 6 pilots per month. With approximately 700 guys on the seniority list I think you would be looking at roughly 5 years to command. The problem is that unlike EK, EY will continue to hire DEC's.

EY346Driver

Err..... your arithmatic is wrong mate. We're 700 pilots altogether, including captains.

Sir Osis of the river

John60,

The two in the sim right now that I know of are not B777, but joined two years ago on the Airbus. So upgrades go on???

jet-lag

Guys....

The line to got 4 bars at this moment, I did all the maths should be around
3 Years. But the issue about DEC can make it a bit longer.
Anyway 3 or even 4 it is not that bad....

Laker

EY346Driver,

I know you have roughly 700 pilots. I believe I stated that in my post. My guess of 5 years to command was based on the fact that EY seems to hire so many DEC's. But I'm on the outside looking in. Just a guess on my part. How long do you think it would take a new hire to upgrade?

vivace

Has anyone considered that expansion and orders may slow down with the reduced passenger loads that must be on the horizon? Even mideast airlines will not fly half empty planes no? Economic down turn in the high traffic areas(India, Europe etc) means less loads, surely this means a freeze in expansion for now at least. This will directly affect your upgrade predictions, no expansion= aircraft crew numbers correct which in turn = no more upgrade. If this is the case, watch out for a 2-3 year freeze. The economic mess just hit us within the last month,it will take a few months for the airline anaysts to see pax loads down,for example early 09. At that point I wouldnt be surprised to see a slow down or pause in expansion for EK/EY/QR,in which case upgrades and movement will cease. If the FOs upset,so what...no ones hiring.Dream situation for management of these airlines,finally they have a low worldwide demand for pilots. Soon to be in the era of being grateful for a job rather than worrying which seat youre in. Just a thought,surprised it not been brought up yet.

namngm

The airline industry may see a slight pax decline however the airlines out there in the GCC operate on a whole different, platform. With oil showing a downward trend at around $75 and companies out in the GCC most of which are government owned, these airlines have a huge and massive amount of "petro dollars" hence the unmatched A/C orders. These orders as to my understanding are confirmed with few options, plus not fully owned yet financed by banks which do massive business in today's diverse market, "soverign wealth funds" so in some sort of a dynamic unusual operating scheme one side of the operation may loose money but with so many ventures linked together they seem to end up positive go figure!! As the aviation industry may be changing growing worldwide population is expanding with the GCC inline to promote their new region ie. hotels and theme parks so in turn pax do show up, of course ticket prices will be lower due to competion which= more affordable travel.

John60

Sir Osis of the river, some of the shortlisted for upgrade FOs have been more than 3 years in EY but most just under 3 years. Who are the 2 FOs currently in the sim? Is this something new that we should know about? Could you send a PM?
From what I remember the guys who got command within 2 years was because they jump on seniority over the B777 boys and more recently because some others had turn down the A320 for A330 slot.

Now more FACTS for the Math experts.
Total Upgrades 2008: 40 aprr. (too lazy to count)
2009: 25-35. Yes that’s right folks. There’s a plan but it won’t make it public “as this may lead to disappointment”
2010: take a guess (or better make a wish)
2011: let’s not go too far.

EY will continue to expand and the pax loads will continue to rise. Job security should never be an issue. But when it comes to upgrade it is all about management commitment to promote own staff. For the time being they couldn’t care less. It reminds me of Qatar next door, a 5 star airline from the outside but 2 star from the inside.
5 years to command would sound ideal in few months from now. Just give it some time.

EY346Driver

Laker, if you consider the new aircraft deliveries as well within the next 3 years I would say you're looking at about 3 to 3 and a half years. Now the DEC issue has slowed down and as I heard from recruiting the only guys they will take are the DECs interviewd in July after they have not given any starting dates to DEC's.

Even if the wait becomes four years it's not bad at all.

My to cents

Cheers and good luck

John60

Dear EY346Driver, could you ask the recruiting why waste so much money interviewing DECs in August, September and October if they knew from before they do not need them?
Shall we bring this to the attention of our CEO? Nah not to worry mate, I am confident ALL DECs will get starting dates and no money will be wasted.
DECs HAVE NOT STOPED. Yes, recruitment has slowed down but only because we have so many pilots seating on ground (DECs) that is hard to find a place in a coffee shop nowadays.
You talked about aircraft deliveries so I presume you know something. Correct me if I am wrong then:
2008: 2 A346s are coming, 2 old A330 left and recruitment well ahead.
2009: 1 A330 1Q, 2 A346 + 1B777 4Q, 1 A343 is leaving.
2010: Nil
2011: unspecified.
I have intentionally not included A320s as it will be the cadet’s fleet and the experts have decided to discontinue upgrading on this fleet.
In case you haven’t read my post there is an upgrade schedule for next year calling for 25-35 upgrades. Just give it some time.

Poita

Does anyone have any info on Crystal Cargo? Is it a seperate contract? Pay, conditions, how to apply? Any info greatly appreciated.

Swoit.

Chandler Bing

Why in these time of unemployement, are captains leaving EY ? I'm flying with 3 guys on their way out, met 2 going to interviews ...??
Is EY that bad ??
It means quicker command then !!!!

CanadaRocks

It's not great here, but where is it better!!!

sec 3

Used to be good at EY until the new management started screwing the pilots out of T&C's. It's going downhill pretty fast

Leboeuf

Is there any transport allowance expected in the EY package ?
I was looking at the job details on the web offer, but I couldn't see any.
tks

shortfuel

Leboeuf:
There is no transport allowance. You only get free parking at the airport.

Donisha:
You'd better ask this in the cabin crew section.

EY 320 crew:
You will be delighted to know that recently, EY F/O joining on A320 fleet started...on A330. These F/O weren't 330 rated unlike some F/O on 320 fleet (cost cutting you said?).
Technically, these F/O never started on 320 as they expected so there is no seniority bypass but...ethically speaking there's more to say...