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It's not an FCI
The "new" FOM, the Ops manual part A, has the following on transition upgrades:
"Only pilots who have the minimum experience for accelerated command or direct entry command CAN be considered for a transition command course."
Kind regards,
Twieke
"Only pilots who have the minimum experience for accelerated command or direct entry command CAN be considered for a transition command course."
Kind regards,
Twieke
If there is not enough F/os on the 777 with the 3 years , and the only other option is DECS, then isn't accelerating Airbus guys away from the Airbus an advantage for all.
Also the fact Airbus commands are running around 3 years anyway wheres the big problem at the moment.......
Also the fact Airbus commands are running around 3 years anyway wheres the big problem at the moment.......
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Not if those Airbus pilots are junior to you. What is wrong with upgrading pilots on a senority basis? After all we have a senority list.
This new policy might delay some Aibus pilots from making captain. Why disadvantage the majority of Emirates pilots for a few?
No Airbus pilot has made captain in three years in a long time. They all have been delayed albeit most have only been a couple of months.
This new policy might delay some Aibus pilots from making captain. Why disadvantage the majority of Emirates pilots for a few?
No Airbus pilot has made captain in three years in a long time. They all have been delayed albeit most have only been a couple of months.
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Not exactly at 3 years mark on the Airbus!!
The entire group of Airbus FOs which joined at 11/01/03 was told at the earliest would be around late 2006, and that's not guaranteed.....It will be more like 4 years for Airbus.
The entire group of Airbus FOs which joined at 11/01/03 was told at the earliest would be around late 2006, and that's not guaranteed.....It will be more like 4 years for Airbus.
With 40 or so captains taking the wise option and going boeing , then thats at least 40 positions next year as well as replacing the guys leaving , and the fact that they are at least 20 Captains short.
Im still looking for a new job anyway, wish i could sell my seniority...............
Im still looking for a new job anyway, wish i could sell my seniority...............
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I know an Airbus FO who joined in September 2002, who isn't accelerated, and he and his colleagues of the same seniority are in the upgrade programme as we speak. Therefore I'm not sure if your 4 year projection is actually valid as it seems to running about 3 yrs and 2 or 3 months at the moment.
Yardman
I know an Airbus FO who joined in September 2002, who isn't accelerated, and he and his colleagues of the same seniority are in the upgrade programme as we speak. Therefore I'm not sure if your 4 year projection is actually valid as it seems to running about 3 yrs and 2 or 3 months at the moment.
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The 3 year figure may well have been a good 'yardstick' to use several years ago but just because it was valid then will not always apply for now. Just a few months between initial joining can make a difference of up to an extra year before upgrade for some guys. It's a case of getting the timing right and that is something we as Pilots often have little control over.
The 3 year figure may well have been a good 'yardstick' to use several years ago but just because it was valid then will not always apply for now. Just a few months between initial joining can make a difference of up to an extra year before upgrade for some guys. It's a case of getting the timing right and that is something we as Pilots often have little control over.
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"I see that Parc Aviation is advertising for Direct Entry Captains at EK. Any comments?"
Comments?, Yes, where did you get that info? Its not on their website.
EK dont hire contract pilots, full time. permanent only.
According to VP Fleet, a number of DEC's but lots of upgrades, including transition upgrades now.
Comments?, Yes, where did you get that info? Its not on their website.
EK dont hire contract pilots, full time. permanent only.
According to VP Fleet, a number of DEC's but lots of upgrades, including transition upgrades now.
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Far-rider seasons greetings.
If you go to flight internationaljobs.com you will see Emirates have advertised for Direct Entry Captains on to the 777. It is dated December 26th. BDD might have confused the lower advertisement by PARC with the one for Emirates. The letter you are refering to is not a victory for the FOs because the transition upgrade is not straight on to the other fleet, rather you have to first do the type training (2-3 months) then six months on type as an FO and then another 2-3 months Command training, so that basicaly means that you will do 3 years on your fleet to qualify for command and then another year prior to you getting your command on the other fleet or if you qualify for an accelerated command unless you are on the correct type expanding at the time you will do 21 months in the company and then another year prior to getting your command so we are back to sqaure one. In the mean time since we need captains now we will hire DECs now prior to any of these policies taking effect but in the long term 5 to 7 years down the road it will not realy harm you because you will be a captain as well. If you ask me, this letter was put out to try to calm the storm the news of more DECs arriving now will cause to the FO pilot body. I would have much rather preferred an increase in salary of 30% rather than a great piece of paper worth nothing.......
If you go to flight internationaljobs.com you will see Emirates have advertised for Direct Entry Captains on to the 777. It is dated December 26th. BDD might have confused the lower advertisement by PARC with the one for Emirates. The letter you are refering to is not a victory for the FOs because the transition upgrade is not straight on to the other fleet, rather you have to first do the type training (2-3 months) then six months on type as an FO and then another 2-3 months Command training, so that basicaly means that you will do 3 years on your fleet to qualify for command and then another year prior to you getting your command on the other fleet or if you qualify for an accelerated command unless you are on the correct type expanding at the time you will do 21 months in the company and then another year prior to getting your command so we are back to sqaure one. In the mean time since we need captains now we will hire DECs now prior to any of these policies taking effect but in the long term 5 to 7 years down the road it will not realy harm you because you will be a captain as well. If you ask me, this letter was put out to try to calm the storm the news of more DECs arriving now will cause to the FO pilot body. I would have much rather preferred an increase in salary of 30% rather than a great piece of paper worth nothing.......
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Capt Kavla Seasons Greetings to you
I am not defending Emirates policies on upgrades, DEC's, transition training or on how many olives they put in martinis for that matter, ONLY stating that they dont hire contract pilots.
It still looks likes more or less better news for all concerned.
BTW on the 30% pay raise, but I would still like to see a lot of upgrades happen here.
I am not defending Emirates policies on upgrades, DEC's, transition training or on how many olives they put in martinis for that matter, ONLY stating that they dont hire contract pilots.
It still looks likes more or less better news for all concerned.
BTW
on the 30% pay raise, but I would still like to see a lot of upgrades happen here.
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Far Rider you are wrong.
EK hired contract pilots for the 727,many of whom are v senior now,they also hired DECs back in late 80s,the current CPA being one.
Nothing new,except then it was 4 planes,unknown future.
QB
EK hired contract pilots for the 727,many of whom are v senior now,they also hired DECs back in late 80s,the current CPA being one.
Nothing new,except then it was 4 planes,unknown future.
QB
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Emirates are advertising in Flight for DEC's;
See the following link
http://www.flightinternational.com/J...%93+B777+.html
See the following link
http://www.flightinternational.com/J...%93+B777+.html
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No they have not learned anything. This will just lower the morale of the pilots even further. What is EK management thinking? They need arses in seats and this is the quickest way to fill that need. What a pity!