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Yes Falcon brother,
lets send Dom@z Der.a Sah.. to Manavgat to select Potatos
General P. you made a mistake, instead of selecting Potatos Der.a understand selecting Pilots, so he flew to Hamburg.
I would like to know what all the educated pschologist thougt when this clumsy idiot arrived at the DLR Institute.
Poor Sun Express.
lets send Dom@z Der.a Sah.. to Manavgat to select Potatos
General P. you made a mistake, instead of selecting Potatos Der.a understand selecting Pilots, so he flew to Hamburg.
I would like to know what all the educated pschologist thougt when this clumsy idiot arrived at the DLR Institute.
Poor Sun Express.
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Hi Wingletflyer,
you sure sound like a XQ manager hiding behind a nickname. Or should I say future-ex-manager ?!
You're speaking wise words, telling the XQ guys to basicly shut up - not coming up with any solutions to their problems.
Maybe you should read the topic from the begining again to notice the high level of frustration since they simply have nobody to talk to. Safety is no accident...god didn't we all hear that a million times before?!
The main problem is management (as I understand) and the management pilots and their disability to communicate.
Everybody knows, but nobody's doing anything about it! Fact!
Their pilot assocciation is worth ****. Fact! Their caa somewhat doesn't give a damn at all. Fact!
It's easy for you to talk because you have a functioning, powerfull pilot union in Germany and conditions like XQ would simply not go unoticed...I fully understand their frustration. What are their chances?
Speak up and get fired the same second and jeopardise their career? Talk to the press? Or try and get some useful advise from a professional pilots bulletin board with several thousand members? I'd opt for the last option.
Eventhough I don't agree with some foul language used in here at times BUT they hit the nail on the head and crying for help.
Calling people names doesn't help, but again underlines how helpless they are.
TK couldn't care less because - as we all know XQ is producing outstanding numbers for years now and probably so does LH.
Journo's will sometimes brows this forum, but can't use any info without to name a certified source.
No offense - but rather than try and keep things quite you should talk to your friends at the airline you work for. Maybe they have some useful ideas...
Sorry, but can't tell you what airline I work for (I'm happy that it's not XQ though!).
Guys, I share your pain and cross my fingers for you!
Brgds from DXB
you sure sound like a XQ manager hiding behind a nickname. Or should I say future-ex-manager ?!
You're speaking wise words, telling the XQ guys to basicly shut up - not coming up with any solutions to their problems.
Maybe you should read the topic from the begining again to notice the high level of frustration since they simply have nobody to talk to. Safety is no accident...god didn't we all hear that a million times before?!
The main problem is management (as I understand) and the management pilots and their disability to communicate.
Everybody knows, but nobody's doing anything about it! Fact!
Their pilot assocciation is worth ****. Fact! Their caa somewhat doesn't give a damn at all. Fact!
It's easy for you to talk because you have a functioning, powerfull pilot union in Germany and conditions like XQ would simply not go unoticed...I fully understand their frustration. What are their chances?
Speak up and get fired the same second and jeopardise their career? Talk to the press? Or try and get some useful advise from a professional pilots bulletin board with several thousand members? I'd opt for the last option.
Eventhough I don't agree with some foul language used in here at times BUT they hit the nail on the head and crying for help.
Calling people names doesn't help, but again underlines how helpless they are.
TK couldn't care less because - as we all know XQ is producing outstanding numbers for years now and probably so does LH.
Journo's will sometimes brows this forum, but can't use any info without to name a certified source.
No offense - but rather than try and keep things quite you should talk to your friends at the airline you work for. Maybe they have some useful ideas...
Sorry, but can't tell you what airline I work for (I'm happy that it's not XQ though!).
Guys, I share your pain and cross my fingers for you!
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My comment for SunExpress Staff
Değerli SunExpress Cockpit ekibi
Bir arkadaşımın bilgi vermesi üzerine bu sayfalara baktım ve içim burkularak yazıları okudum. Ben Şirketin kuruluşunu yapan bir Türk Müd. olarak şirket hakkındaki ingilizce yazıların yabancılar tarafından okunması ve etkileri nedeniyle sıkıntılarınızın ingilizce yazılmamasından yanayım. Ele aldığınız konular doğru olabilir ancak yapıcı olmak marifet, medeni cesareti olan kişi yönetime şahsen müracaat edip doğru yolları önerebilir. İngilizce yazdığınız olumsuzluklar sonuçta SunExpress hakkında olumsuz düşüncelere ve zamanla basına yansımasıyla da şirket aleyhine ve dolayısıyle sizlere yansıyabilir.Pazardan pay kapmaya çalışan taşıyıcılar acımasız rekabet içinde aleyhteki yazıların etkisi ile aleyhinize olmazmı? Bindiğiniz dalın kesilmesi olarak düşünülebilir.
Bana cevap yazma ihtiyacını duyarsanız lütfen Türkçe yazarmısınız.
Sizlere huzurlu, kazasız belasız uçuşlar ve sağlıklı günler diliyor saygılarımı sunuyorum.
Levent Birgen
Bir arkadaşımın bilgi vermesi üzerine bu sayfalara baktım ve içim burkularak yazıları okudum. Ben Şirketin kuruluşunu yapan bir Türk Müd. olarak şirket hakkındaki ingilizce yazıların yabancılar tarafından okunması ve etkileri nedeniyle sıkıntılarınızın ingilizce yazılmamasından yanayım. Ele aldığınız konular doğru olabilir ancak yapıcı olmak marifet, medeni cesareti olan kişi yönetime şahsen müracaat edip doğru yolları önerebilir. İngilizce yazdığınız olumsuzluklar sonuçta SunExpress hakkında olumsuz düşüncelere ve zamanla basına yansımasıyla da şirket aleyhine ve dolayısıyle sizlere yansıyabilir.Pazardan pay kapmaya çalışan taşıyıcılar acımasız rekabet içinde aleyhteki yazıların etkisi ile aleyhinize olmazmı? Bindiğiniz dalın kesilmesi olarak düşünülebilir.
Bana cevap yazma ihtiyacını duyarsanız lütfen Türkçe yazarmısınız.
Sizlere huzurlu, kazasız belasız uçuşlar ve sağlıklı günler diliyor saygılarımı sunuyorum.
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Just translated some of it.
Someone told this manager or owner to look at the thread.
It appears that the managment does not want the employees to write bad things about the company on this web site.
As this is a highly competitive business and will damage the company.
He says if you have problems you should complain to him and if you write it here then it should be in Turkish so foreigners cannot read it to give the company a bad reputation.
Maybe someone else can correct me or add further.
Would have been more believable and sincere if he would have wrote this in English instead of trying to hide something
in Turkish.
Maybe he will make the needed changes, only you guys know this.
Good Luck.
Someone told this manager or owner to look at the thread.
It appears that the managment does not want the employees to write bad things about the company on this web site.
As this is a highly competitive business and will damage the company.
He says if you have problems you should complain to him and if you write it here then it should be in Turkish so foreigners cannot read it to give the company a bad reputation.
Maybe someone else can correct me or add further.
Would have been more believable and sincere if he would have wrote this in English instead of trying to hide something
in Turkish.
Maybe he will make the needed changes, only you guys know this.
Good Luck.
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Dear MaxBlow
I didn't tell XQ guys to shut up! I just advised them not to use the safety issue on the international platforms as it might damage them on the long run. Hey Max read my previous posting once again before you blow! We both are standing on the same side when it comes to support XQ guys.
XQ guys generally describing organised mobbing and discrimination, which is not a strange word here in Europe for airline pilots? Read the story of Italian pilots, Crossair pilots and German pilots.
There are many ways to fight against mobbing, in this case against the "76 graduates". I don't know how much the "76 graduates“already occupied all key positions in the company. But it seems like they have some management and the training departments under their control.
It seems that, those concerned XQ guys trying to make a point on this platform, basically are not allowed to speak-up in the company, knowing nasty consequences especially from 76 groups. It seems like there is no open communication channels in the company. „Take it or leave it" seems to be the common answer by the management.( fully or partially)
Dear XQ guys, have you tried the following points?
1 - Make copy of this forum topic and put it every where in the company. In the ops, in the weather office, distribute it to every pilot mailbox to show that you don't agree with the situation and you decided to fight against it.
2 - Go to local and national newspapers. Bring the story to their attention without being personal or emotional but factual.
3 - Create an open letter with or without signature and send it to Lufthansa, Condor, and XQ top management including all big newspapers.
4 – Contact “German pilot union, “Vereinigungs Cockpit”, VR, and let them know about this unfair situation created by “graduates 76” Ask them how they can help you!
This would be the initial way fighting against 76, and bringing old SunExpress back on its feet again.
Good luck
You're speaking wise words, telling the XQ guys to basically shut up - not coming up with any solutions to their problems
XQ guys generally describing organised mobbing and discrimination, which is not a strange word here in Europe for airline pilots? Read the story of Italian pilots, Crossair pilots and German pilots.
There are many ways to fight against mobbing, in this case against the "76 graduates". I don't know how much the "76 graduates“already occupied all key positions in the company. But it seems like they have some management and the training departments under their control.
It seems that, those concerned XQ guys trying to make a point on this platform, basically are not allowed to speak-up in the company, knowing nasty consequences especially from 76 groups. It seems like there is no open communication channels in the company. „Take it or leave it" seems to be the common answer by the management.( fully or partially)
Dear XQ guys, have you tried the following points?
1 - Make copy of this forum topic and put it every where in the company. In the ops, in the weather office, distribute it to every pilot mailbox to show that you don't agree with the situation and you decided to fight against it.
2 - Go to local and national newspapers. Bring the story to their attention without being personal or emotional but factual.
3 - Create an open letter with or without signature and send it to Lufthansa, Condor, and XQ top management including all big newspapers.
4 – Contact “German pilot union, “Vereinigungs Cockpit”, VR, and let them know about this unfair situation created by “graduates 76” Ask them how they can help you!
This would be the initial way fighting against 76, and bringing old SunExpress back on its feet again.
Good luck
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Now how in the h.... did the post of HIRAM got attached to this one?????
Must be the power of the moderator????
nevertheless.
Thanks for the translation Earl,
It looked very suspicious to me in the the first place too!!!!
Dear Hiram,
I understood from previous posts that there used to be a turkish forum, until you or the 76ers closed it down.
So dont blame anyone for writing in the english language here. And we all would appreciate it if you would do the same.
Another thing: humans have a mouth and a tongue and if anyone tries to shut them down, one should think twice on the motivation to do so. Or else be ready for the reactions.
Winglet,
Sorry dude, to me you dont come really sincere as well.
And guys what is the average flighttime you guys have by now
nobody has mentioned that lately???
Must be the power of the moderator????
nevertheless.
Thanks for the translation Earl,
It looked very suspicious to me in the the first place too!!!!
Dear Hiram,
I understood from previous posts that there used to be a turkish forum, until you or the 76ers closed it down.
So dont blame anyone for writing in the english language here. And we all would appreciate it if you would do the same.
Another thing: humans have a mouth and a tongue and if anyone tries to shut them down, one should think twice on the motivation to do so. Or else be ready for the reactions.
Winglet,
Sorry dude, to me you dont come really sincere as well.
And guys what is the average flighttime you guys have by now
nobody has mentioned that lately???
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I understood from previous posts that there used to be a Turkish forum, until you or the 76ers closed it down.
Sorry dude, to me you dont come really sincere as well.
Most of you very good in criticism but I really fail to see any suggestion to XQ guys.
I also got Hirams posting translated, thanks to some Turkish guys, and he's got a good point! .He seems to know the old SunExpress and he might help if any of XQ guys write him in Turkish. (or English) All he means: "Keep the safety business in the house and don't give any chance to any outsider to use it against you" Bingo. This is my point too.
Don't cut your own flesh (in Turkish don't cut your own branch that you are sitting on!)
Why not cutting the 76ers branch instead??
BTW, Vickers23, I will look forward to read your most sincere suggestions to XQ guys!
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Winglet,
Either you think you are the smartest or you think the rest is just plain stupid and can not put 1 and 1 together ?!!!!
And I mean all who reads this thread.
Clearly you have given the answer to "a" question.
I rest my case.....
Either you think you are the smartest or you think the rest is just plain stupid and can not put 1 and 1 together ?!!!!
And I mean all who reads this thread.
Clearly you have given the answer to "a" question.
I rest my case.....
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Vickers, read the topic title! As a pilot you must know what RTFQ means!
This forum is not about you and me! Although you seem to have good points at the beginning of this topic, you should also respect other opinions and ideas in this forum, without being personal as a basic CRM! I guess you like to stir the s*** by arguing with the others and twisting the words in such forums for self credit!
You don't need to get personal with me or try to proof yourself above the others by challenging me! I could not imagine you would need this as a pilot!.
I will not answer you anymore unless you come up with some more positive ideas to support XQ guys, if you Really mean it.
PS/ Vickers, if you would know what company I work for here in Europe, (surely not XQ) you would immediately see my points! You would also see why I am so wise with mobbing, discrimination and frustration!, as a part of our daily life, but also why I am so cautious and reluctant giving my company name out in such forums.
Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow (1908 - 1965)
This forum is not about you and me! Although you seem to have good points at the beginning of this topic, you should also respect other opinions and ideas in this forum, without being personal as a basic CRM! I guess you like to stir the s*** by arguing with the others and twisting the words in such forums for self credit!
You don't need to get personal with me or try to proof yourself above the others by challenging me! I could not imagine you would need this as a pilot!.
I will not answer you anymore unless you come up with some more positive ideas to support XQ guys, if you Really mean it.
PS/ Vickers, if you would know what company I work for here in Europe, (surely not XQ) you would immediately see my points! You would also see why I am so wise with mobbing, discrimination and frustration!, as a part of our daily life, but also why I am so cautious and reluctant giving my company name out in such forums.
Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow (1908 - 1965)
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Now that Hiram spoke up, management got the hint, it´s getting quite in here and I hope things start to move now at XQ. I think PPRUNE served the purpose!
Well done PPRUNE!!!
Well done PPRUNE!!!
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Vick, I am happy you got it that it's obvious I should ignore you unless you come up with something clever!
BTW, what is your drive or motive you are interested what's going on in XQ?
If you ask mine: My wife is Turkish and we fly Bodrum every year with XQ and I have some good friends flying in there! ( not from76ers) I would hate to see XQ is destroyed by 76ers!
As the title of this topic suggests, once again for (Vickers), there are some positive movements on XQ side. Finally some people with good XQ spirit, started to pay attention what's going on in Antalya.
maxblow, of course PPrune served the purpose, but there might be others would take advantage of open said safety standards! I also guess Hiram has nothing to do with the present management! (Can someone elaborate on that from XQ?)
But for sure the bush telephone is very active and 76ers are getting nervous! Hopefully your new boss will have the situation under control over 76ers!
The real distinction is between those who adapt their purposes to reality and those who seek to mold reality in the light of their purposes. Henry Kissinger
BTW, what is your drive or motive you are interested what's going on in XQ?
If you ask mine: My wife is Turkish and we fly Bodrum every year with XQ and I have some good friends flying in there! ( not from76ers) I would hate to see XQ is destroyed by 76ers!
As the title of this topic suggests, once again for (Vickers)
, there are some positive movements on XQ side. Finally some people with good XQ spirit, started to pay attention what's going on in Antalya. maxblow, of course PPrune served the purpose, but there might be others would take advantage of open said safety standards! I also guess Hiram has nothing to do with the present management! (Can someone elaborate on that from XQ?)
But for sure the bush telephone is very active and 76ers are getting nervous! Hopefully your new boss will have the situation under control over 76ers!
The real distinction is between those who adapt their purposes to reality and those who seek to mold reality in the light of their purposes. Henry Kissinger
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What happened to your friend " Teekayflight",with whom you are
" brainstorming " with?
just decided to withdraw the post I guess? Because it was so obvious !
Even for me to see through you guys " 76ers " , and I didn't need a lot of reply's. Hahaha
The ones who are out for the hunt got hunted. By VICKERs 23 times
" brainstorming " with?
just decided to withdraw the post I guess? Because it was so obvious !
Even for me to see through you guys " 76ers " , and I didn't need a lot of reply's. Hahaha
The ones who are out for the hunt got hunted. By VICKERs 23 times
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Vickers I don't know what you are talking about and most of all I don’t know what your problem is, but I start to think that you must have something in common with 76ers. On the other hand I really have my doubt if you are a pilot at all! If you are a pilot select your APA please to a lover altitude, as you seem to be too high and too fast.
You don't come with any good explanation, you can't stand someone else in this forum giving some thoughts from different point of view and mostly you love to stir the s***, trying to be the centre of attention as if this you have no idea what the topic is about!
I went thru your answers on this topic, and I found nothing than you are asking questions but no supporting constructive comments! Your attitude will not solve any problem of XQ guys, except adding useless pages on this topic.
I would like to hear form XQ guys if there is anything has already positively changed in XQ, hoping that XQ management have already realised they have a major problem at home, especially on the open and two ways communication culture.
I would also like to challenge anyone from 76ers to drop some lines in this forum, without being personal but factual. I am also aware that this forum is not a right place to solve XQ problem (as I previously defend), but it would be the beginning to start two ways communication with the hope finding something in common to start with.
Vickers, good luck with your hunt
You don't come with any good explanation, you can't stand someone else in this forum giving some thoughts from different point of view and mostly you love to stir the s***, trying to be the centre of attention as if this you have no idea what the topic is about!
I went thru your answers on this topic, and I found nothing than you are asking questions but no supporting constructive comments! Your attitude will not solve any problem of XQ guys, except adding useless pages on this topic.
I would like to hear form XQ guys if there is anything has already positively changed in XQ, hoping that XQ management have already realised they have a major problem at home, especially on the open and two ways communication culture.
I would also like to challenge anyone from 76ers to drop some lines in this forum, without being personal but factual. I am also aware that this forum is not a right place to solve XQ problem (as I previously defend), but it would be the beginning to start two ways communication with the hope finding something in common to start with.
Vickers, good luck with your hunt
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I know it is very difficult but let's send the people who really destroyed our reputation to Izmir base! I mean some of 76'ers!!!
Why is that?
* First of all they destroyed our more then ten years reputaion in Europe,
* They flew illegally and tried to force everybody to hide this unsafe operation which allowed to carry more than 210 people in B737-800, and unfortunately mister general manager P.S wrote a letter that everybody can make a mistake so this should be forgiven and forgotten?!
* We had a lot of pilots with high school educated who were demotivated because of new upgrade policy which requires university degree. Actually this rule came on because of hateness of civilian pilots mostly sourced from Germany and Holland; but now they opened SXS to Lufthansa as a free fliying school with no charge! Well done mr. heineken, mushin, atasok and pig.
* There is no more open communication between pilots and management and/or first officers and captains. General manager gave his full support to management pilots and protected them, because they blocked all critics against to management and his position as well,
*Any voice was heard, the solution was going to HEARING COMMITTEE, this is unbelivable system regarding democratic life, so you may not shout or report anything which involves culture, safety and CRM. We had many examples that they shut the mouths of many pilots including very experienced, ex-management and well excepted pilots from majority of pilot group of SXS; with General Manager exceptance they had more power over to pilots,
* They tried to clean the company to kick some pilots who are civilian or not having same ideas even they are ex-military, so we lost 18 very experienced pilots in 18 months. can you believe this; we lost a pilot who was 26 years old and 5500 hours total but high school educated, this is ridiculous, they should pay the cost of tne new employed pilots who are just baby pilots with 250 hours from flight school only ( this doesn't mean I am against any pilot but you should think about the cost new educated ab-initio pilot compared with experienced one),
* We have a FODA system which allows us to maintain safe operation without checking individuals, but they wanted to use this system with help of safety manager who is just their pawn waiting their commands; in order to punished pilots or warned them,
* If you are warned two times you'll have no bonus; means you lost exactly one month salary next year, so you'll never talk and warn the cockpit management for any problems, like safety, company private problems and/or private ones, ( I can give you tens of examples that they shut our mouths or invited us to the hearing committee, then we had warnings at the end, what
happened at the end: no bonus or went to flights cautiously not to have another invitation to hearing committee,
* They replaced all Innsbruck pilots with the new ones who are from their group, INN operation needs a special care that never allows any mistake like this, that's why I don't plan to have any vacation via Innsbruck anymore,
* They cancelled instructor positions of three captains who trained nearly all xq pilots till 2000 (approximately 10 years which SunExpress had real reputation at that time) even unfortunately all 76'ers as well; everybody is sorry about this!
* We do not have any thrust to other pilot anymore in the cockpit,
* we do not talk in pilots meetings anymore; if you do so; either you'll have verbally warning from director of operations or chief pilot , or General manager will tell you that this untrue and unacceptable, reminds you that he has full support to cockpit management, then can you talk again, can you solve problems in-house in democratic way, can you disregard to have warning, having bonus every year or do you want to to be warned that your contract will not be extended,
* Mr. Hiram, Wingletflyer ; what do you think? This is stuation 76'ers and P.S. created, offcourse the structure from LH is well established and maintenance is still exceptable;but unfortunately there is no two way communication any areas of flight operation, no CRM between flight crew, nobody is following sop anymore, there is no motiation, nobody thinks about their future in sxs, the cockpit is not safe anymore as before 2000,
* As you know we open our pc and decide to write something to explain our observations; you should know that these are just a few topics I remember this night, you may not believe how this people destroyed our company and damaged our reputation,
* As we'll open new base in Izmir, we'll have additional three B757's and need a lot of pilots, we don't unfortunately have luxury to fire these 76'ers; let's send them initially to Izmir to calm down our main base to see what will be needed next.
* Let's put ex senior flight instructor Mr. D. Sxhxn and safety Manager Flight Director Mr. Kamxl Gxngxr into simulator; please switch off FD and Auto Pilot, then you'll see what I tried to explain you about the stuation of my old great company,
* General Manager P.S looked like a great man had success, the company had record profit last year but without family life ( in company as before), is he happy? I won't!
I am still optimistic, but without 76'ers.:ok
Why is that?
* First of all they destroyed our more then ten years reputaion in Europe,
* They flew illegally and tried to force everybody to hide this unsafe operation which allowed to carry more than 210 people in B737-800, and unfortunately mister general manager P.S wrote a letter that everybody can make a mistake so this should be forgiven and forgotten?!
* We had a lot of pilots with high school educated who were demotivated because of new upgrade policy which requires university degree. Actually this rule came on because of hateness of civilian pilots mostly sourced from Germany and Holland; but now they opened SXS to Lufthansa as a free fliying school with no charge! Well done mr. heineken, mushin, atasok and pig.
* There is no more open communication between pilots and management and/or first officers and captains. General manager gave his full support to management pilots and protected them, because they blocked all critics against to management and his position as well,
*Any voice was heard, the solution was going to HEARING COMMITTEE, this is unbelivable system regarding democratic life, so you may not shout or report anything which involves culture, safety and CRM. We had many examples that they shut the mouths of many pilots including very experienced, ex-management and well excepted pilots from majority of pilot group of SXS; with General Manager exceptance they had more power over to pilots,
* They tried to clean the company to kick some pilots who are civilian or not having same ideas even they are ex-military, so we lost 18 very experienced pilots in 18 months. can you believe this; we lost a pilot who was 26 years old and 5500 hours total but high school educated, this is ridiculous, they should pay the cost of tne new employed pilots who are just baby pilots with 250 hours from flight school only ( this doesn't mean I am against any pilot but you should think about the cost new educated ab-initio pilot compared with experienced one),
* We have a FODA system which allows us to maintain safe operation without checking individuals, but they wanted to use this system with help of safety manager who is just their pawn waiting their commands; in order to punished pilots or warned them,
* If you are warned two times you'll have no bonus; means you lost exactly one month salary next year, so you'll never talk and warn the cockpit management for any problems, like safety, company private problems and/or private ones, ( I can give you tens of examples that they shut our mouths or invited us to the hearing committee, then we had warnings at the end, what
happened at the end: no bonus or went to flights cautiously not to have another invitation to hearing committee,
* They replaced all Innsbruck pilots with the new ones who are from their group, INN operation needs a special care that never allows any mistake like this, that's why I don't plan to have any vacation via Innsbruck anymore,
* They cancelled instructor positions of three captains who trained nearly all xq pilots till 2000 (approximately 10 years which SunExpress had real reputation at that time) even unfortunately all 76'ers as well; everybody is sorry about this!
* We do not have any thrust to other pilot anymore in the cockpit,
* we do not talk in pilots meetings anymore; if you do so; either you'll have verbally warning from director of operations or chief pilot , or General manager will tell you that this untrue and unacceptable, reminds you that he has full support to cockpit management, then can you talk again, can you solve problems in-house in democratic way, can you disregard to have warning, having bonus every year or do you want to to be warned that your contract will not be extended,
* Mr. Hiram, Wingletflyer ; what do you think? This is stuation 76'ers and P.S. created, offcourse the structure from LH is well established and maintenance is still exceptable;but unfortunately there is no two way communication any areas of flight operation, no CRM between flight crew, nobody is following sop anymore, there is no motiation, nobody thinks about their future in sxs, the cockpit is not safe anymore as before 2000,
* As you know we open our pc and decide to write something to explain our observations; you should know that these are just a few topics I remember this night, you may not believe how this people destroyed our company and damaged our reputation,
* As we'll open new base in Izmir, we'll have additional three B757's and need a lot of pilots, we don't unfortunately have luxury to fire these 76'ers; let's send them initially to Izmir to calm down our main base to see what will be needed next.
* Let's put ex senior flight instructor Mr. D. Sxhxn and safety Manager Flight Director Mr. Kamxl Gxngxr into simulator; please switch off FD and Auto Pilot, then you'll see what I tried to explain you about the stuation of my old great company,
* General Manager P.S looked like a great man had success, the company had record profit last year but without family life ( in company as before), is he happy? I won't!
I am still optimistic, but without 76'ers.:ok
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Oh Boy!
Can't believe this is still happening in Europe!
XqDriver I have some questions:
- Do I understand correct that you don't put all 76ers in the same basket?
- Who would take the sim check of these two famous pilots apparently sitting in management chair?
- Who would take your sim check in case you would open your mouth and ask for fairness in case you wouldn’t care for the bonus anymore? (same guys?)
- Why your manager P.S. is so much helpless against the 76ers?
Although I liked Hiram's opinion not to discuss any safety items in here, but did any of you write him? Did he give any answer to any of you? So far Mr. Hiram is the only one who acted upon your postings in this forum. I bet (and I hope) this will create a big domino effect on XQ.
Mr. Hiram you could not believe what's happening in XQ in your Turkish writing! Are you really willing to take the control in your hand? Obviously you are disturbed that this story came so far in this forum, and it will make its way even to some European Newspapers!
Moving 76ers in to another base will not chance the situation too much for you unless XQ starts a real clean-up campaign with incompetent pilots and managers, introducing transparency, open communication and good will BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!
Can't believe this is still happening in Europe!
XqDriver I have some questions:
- Do I understand correct that you don't put all 76ers in the same basket?
- Who would take the sim check of these two famous pilots apparently sitting in management chair?
- Who would take your sim check in case you would open your mouth and ask for fairness in case you wouldn’t care for the bonus anymore? (same guys?)
- Why your manager P.S. is so much helpless against the 76ers?
Although I liked Hiram's opinion not to discuss any safety items in here, but did any of you write him? Did he give any answer to any of you? So far Mr. Hiram is the only one who acted upon your postings in this forum. I bet (and I hope) this will create a big domino effect on XQ.
Mr. Hiram you could not believe what's happening in XQ in your Turkish writing! Are you really willing to take the control in your hand? Obviously you are disturbed that this story came so far in this forum, and it will make its way even to some European Newspapers!
Moving 76ers in to another base will not chance the situation too much for you unless XQ starts a real clean-up campaign with incompetent pilots and managers, introducing transparency, open communication and good will BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!
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I knew you need more explanation:
* First of all; sim examiners must be from outside like LH,
* I should tell you wingletflyer that safety manager is not instructor/examiner, but the other guy is unfortunately examiner and just resigned from the position acting senior flight instructor and they can not fly manually , sorry to say so. I had no problem in my life about any checks, sim or flight but as you said i can not give my name here. It doesn`t matter if the examiners still continue to work here, but we are talking their damages to sxs.
*If i have power offcourse i`ll fire them immediately because of the results the company suffered till now.
* Did you know what happened a few months ago; when they forced many experienced pilots to leave and could not get enough pilots to fill the space, they put pressure on around 15 pilots to fly more than 300 in three months,
* Mngr P.S. cares only money and he likes to show the company had profit, he doesn`t care about safety, loosing experienced pilots and lack of crm; actually he doesn`t know well about flight operation, he is happy that fully management supported pilots (76`ers) created BEAUTIFUL COMPANY that nobody can talk, complain or report any unsafe events, except here (unfortunately)
* Mr. Hiram; you can not imagine how sxs changed from the old days you left till now; LH is not caring sxs flight ops anymore, they sent two people in six years; first one destroyed xq alot; had fish and raki every night, waited 1,5 year without doing anything, then he awaiked and started sim checks failed people, why he waited 1,5 year, he gave all responsibilities to turkish DO, then when next person came right after him, he had no power, actually last two guys came here just for fun spend their last few years in peace before their retirement.
* I hope the new ops mngr who seems to be young and willingly to work hard will change atmosphere quite a lot (hopefuly),
still optimistic
* First of all; sim examiners must be from outside like LH,
* I should tell you wingletflyer that safety manager is not instructor/examiner, but the other guy is unfortunately examiner and just resigned from the position acting senior flight instructor and they can not fly manually , sorry to say so. I had no problem in my life about any checks, sim or flight but as you said i can not give my name here. It doesn`t matter if the examiners still continue to work here, but we are talking their damages to sxs.
*If i have power offcourse i`ll fire them immediately because of the results the company suffered till now.
* Did you know what happened a few months ago; when they forced many experienced pilots to leave and could not get enough pilots to fill the space, they put pressure on around 15 pilots to fly more than 300 in three months,
* Mngr P.S. cares only money and he likes to show the company had profit, he doesn`t care about safety, loosing experienced pilots and lack of crm; actually he doesn`t know well about flight operation, he is happy that fully management supported pilots (76`ers) created BEAUTIFUL COMPANY that nobody can talk, complain or report any unsafe events, except here (unfortunately)
* Mr. Hiram; you can not imagine how sxs changed from the old days you left till now; LH is not caring sxs flight ops anymore, they sent two people in six years; first one destroyed xq alot; had fish and raki every night, waited 1,5 year without doing anything, then he awaiked and started sim checks failed people, why he waited 1,5 year, he gave all responsibilities to turkish DO, then when next person came right after him, he had no power, actually last two guys came here just for fun spend their last few years in peace before their retirement.
* I hope the new ops mngr who seems to be young and willingly to work hard will change atmosphere quite a lot (hopefuly),
still optimistic