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Aluminum Tubing Inspector
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From: Costa Geriatrica
4/5 days off in a block? This then poses the question.....ah well perhaps not!
Still giving days off down route to make things "legal?"
AIMS: a marvellous system when you know how!
Cheers
HR
Still giving days off down route to make things "legal?"
AIMS: a marvellous system when you know how!
Cheers
HR
Aluminum Tubing Inspector
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BKK:
No mate. but I was working in Crewing when that one happened. Capt AlKhadra...I took the call from him.
No, this was the one that diverted to Calcutta, spent three hours on the ground there, eventually went to DAC and we sat on the aircraft for about 6 hours then they told us to go to the hotel for 12 hours....just as we were about to disembark, the Station Manager came running across the apron telling us that we "have to stay on board and take the aircraft back to DOH...cos they need it...." "special dispensation from DCAM..."
The crewing decision on that one was overruled...quel surprise!
Cheers
HR
No mate. but I was working in Crewing when that one happened. Capt AlKhadra...I took the call from him.
No, this was the one that diverted to Calcutta, spent three hours on the ground there, eventually went to DAC and we sat on the aircraft for about 6 hours then they told us to go to the hotel for 12 hours....just as we were about to disembark, the Station Manager came running across the apron telling us that we "have to stay on board and take the aircraft back to DOH...cos they need it...." "special dispensation from DCAM..."
The crewing decision on that one was overruled...quel surprise!
Cheers
HR
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From: Middle East
Did they let Old Crusty out of the office so he could post on Pprune? Or did he post before he looked at his December roster?
Sorry Old Krusty but QR continues to roster to the limits so no wonder they are always on the phone calling on days off to put a patch here and a patch there.
And as for getting those day off in a row? OK if you know somebody I would think. (Or work in the office?)
Sorry Old Krusty but QR continues to roster to the limits so no wonder they are always on the phone calling on days off to put a patch here and a patch there.
And as for getting those day off in a row? OK if you know somebody I would think. (Or work in the office?)
Aluminum Tubing Inspector
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From: Costa Geriatrica
Popay...
Glad to hear that you are not overloaded on the A330.
But, illegal rostering has and does go on in QR...you just have to know how AIMS works!
I, as I am sure many others do, hope that things continue to "ease off" on that side.
Cheers
HR
Glad to hear that you are not overloaded on the A330.
But, illegal rostering has and does go on in QR...you just have to know how AIMS works!
I, as I am sure many others do, hope that things continue to "ease off" on that side.
Cheers
HR
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QR Limits
Glad to hear that you are not overloaded on the A330.
"But, illegal rostering has and does go on in QR...you just have to know how AIMS works!"
popay---Thats I don't simply know, cause I don't work in the sched dep, but regarding my personal roster I didn't have any manipulation during the working roster period. What has been done afterwards, as I told you, I don't know and this is not in my compitition to judge.
I would like to emphasize something else. This is corporate culture. I would compare it with the behavior of a Jung co pilot, who thinks that he knows everything he is the best and flying is a kind of competition, where he has to win. This is acceptable from a Jung copilot, cause he still has got time to change, and we simply accept it, because it doesn't really affect us. But it affect us when this happens on the corporate level between the departments and colleges. The general attitude from some ethnic groups (and they are not locals) is, as long as I don't break the rule, I am fine and nothing is going to happen to me and they don't care whether there actions affect others. This is all legal and correct and bla bla bla..., but it basically differs from what I call well established corporate culture: positive attitude of the colleges in a friendly environment still reaching the goal, operationalwise, but nether the less motivation of the personnel through satisfaction of there personnel needs, to a possible level of course, is where we need to go. I hope we will come there soon, because this company has a great potential and I truly believe this can be a great place to work.
Cheers.
"But, illegal rostering has and does go on in QR...you just have to know how AIMS works!"
popay---Thats I don't simply know, cause I don't work in the sched dep, but regarding my personal roster I didn't have any manipulation during the working roster period. What has been done afterwards, as I told you, I don't know and this is not in my compitition to judge.
I would like to emphasize something else. This is corporate culture. I would compare it with the behavior of a Jung co pilot, who thinks that he knows everything he is the best and flying is a kind of competition, where he has to win. This is acceptable from a Jung copilot, cause he still has got time to change, and we simply accept it, because it doesn't really affect us. But it affect us when this happens on the corporate level between the departments and colleges. The general attitude from some ethnic groups (and they are not locals) is, as long as I don't break the rule, I am fine and nothing is going to happen to me and they don't care whether there actions affect others. This is all legal and correct and bla bla bla..., but it basically differs from what I call well established corporate culture: positive attitude of the colleges in a friendly environment still reaching the goal, operationalwise, but nether the less motivation of the personnel through satisfaction of there personnel needs, to a possible level of course, is where we need to go. I hope we will come there soon, because this company has a great potential and I truly believe this can be a great place to work.
Cheers.
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Perhaps you guys should ask around the 330 fleet like I have. Over 100 hours for the 31 days for captains and first officers with the odd pilot doing very little on standby. So much for Aims and it's 'fair share' principle?
Back to back Londons, Manila/Bangkoks, etc., is not fair rostering or safe rostering.
Let's face it, QR rosters to the absolute limits because "it's legal".
For example, Shanghai to Doha in winter with NO relief may be legal, but it's not safe! (And please don't suggest that the third pilot provides proper relief because that's ludicrous.)
GB
Back to back Londons, Manila/Bangkoks, etc., is not fair rostering or safe rostering.
Let's face it, QR rosters to the absolute limits because "it's legal".
For example, Shanghai to Doha in winter with NO relief may be legal, but it's not safe! (And please don't suggest that the third pilot provides proper relief because that's ludicrous.)
GB
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Perhaps you guys should ask around the 330 fleet like I have.
-------What do you mean ask? I don’t need to ask anybody I am on that fleet and right now in Shanghai. Over 100 hours for the 31 days for captains and first officers with the odd pilot doing very little on standby.
--------That might be true. So much for Aims and it's 'fair share' principle?
--------And that could be true. But I can’t remember any other airline where that was not the case, besides maybe major airlines like BA or UA and that only do to strong union.
Back to back Londons, Manila/Bangkoks, etc., is not fair rostering or safe rostering.
--------Well if you don’t consider it as safe, why do you fly then? Let me remind you that you always have the right to say I don’t feel safe to do so and there will be plenty others willing to do the job and getting money.
Let's face it, QR rosters to the absolute limits because "it's legal".
--------Even if it is so, what’s your problem? You have chosen that job. You don’t like it, change it. It will be like that wherever you go.
For example, Shanghai to Doha in winter with NO relief may be legal, but it's not safe! (And please don't suggest that the third pilot provides proper relief because that's ludicrous.)
--------I don’t do suggest it is safe that’s exactly the reason why we need the relief pilot.
GB
--------Look, don’t get me wrong but this subject exists as long as aviation does, so it’s a question whether you want to keep doing that or you try to change it, or just do a more suitable job. But don’t play that permanent pissed guy totally unsatisfied with the company, but still staying with the company and following unsafe rules. This is not a personnel offend.
-------What do you mean ask? I don’t need to ask anybody I am on that fleet and right now in Shanghai. Over 100 hours for the 31 days for captains and first officers with the odd pilot doing very little on standby.
--------That might be true. So much for Aims and it's 'fair share' principle?
--------And that could be true. But I can’t remember any other airline where that was not the case, besides maybe major airlines like BA or UA and that only do to strong union.
Back to back Londons, Manila/Bangkoks, etc., is not fair rostering or safe rostering.
--------Well if you don’t consider it as safe, why do you fly then? Let me remind you that you always have the right to say I don’t feel safe to do so and there will be plenty others willing to do the job and getting money.
Let's face it, QR rosters to the absolute limits because "it's legal".
--------Even if it is so, what’s your problem? You have chosen that job. You don’t like it, change it. It will be like that wherever you go.
For example, Shanghai to Doha in winter with NO relief may be legal, but it's not safe! (And please don't suggest that the third pilot provides proper relief because that's ludicrous.)
--------I don’t do suggest it is safe that’s exactly the reason why we need the relief pilot.
GB
--------Look, don’t get me wrong but this subject exists as long as aviation does, so it’s a question whether you want to keep doing that or you try to change it, or just do a more suitable job. But don’t play that permanent pissed guy totally unsatisfied with the company, but still staying with the company and following unsafe rules. This is not a personnel offend.
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My friend popay,
from what I read from your posts you must be very new in the company. Welcome!
I think what the others are trying to say here is that most rosters are really stretched to the limits, 90+ hours is more a rule then an exception and a lot of us are flying backt to back flights with crossing over 8 timezones in between.
You might be one of the lucky ones now with your roster but believe me, it will not stay like that.
It is true, you can refuse a flight because you think it is not safe. At least, thats whats written in the red book, but I would not recommend it. It might follow you around much longer then you want it to.
Once again, rosters are heavy, a lot of nightflying and not an awfull lot of days of. But hey, thats the industry we have chosen to work in and its the same thing all over this little planet.
Good luck
from what I read from your posts you must be very new in the company. Welcome!
I think what the others are trying to say here is that most rosters are really stretched to the limits, 90+ hours is more a rule then an exception and a lot of us are flying backt to back flights with crossing over 8 timezones in between.
You might be one of the lucky ones now with your roster but believe me, it will not stay like that.
It is true, you can refuse a flight because you think it is not safe. At least, thats whats written in the red book, but I would not recommend it. It might follow you around much longer then you want it to.
Once again, rosters are heavy, a lot of nightflying and not an awfull lot of days of. But hey, thats the industry we have chosen to work in and its the same thing all over this little planet.
Good luck
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My friend popay,
from what I read from your posts you must be very new in the company. Welcome!
-----Thanks, that’s true.
I think what the others are trying to say here is that most rosters are really stretched to the limits, 90+ hours is more a rule then an exception and a lot of us are flying back to back flights with crossing over 8 time zones in between.
------I just got my roster; it says 93 BH with MNL and PVG and LHR and FCO and so on.
You might be one of the lucky ones now with your roster but believe me, it will not stay
like that.
------It didn’t in deed, so what?
It is true, you can refuse a flight because you think it is not safe. At least, thats whats written in the red book, but I would not recommend it. It might follow you around much longer then you want it to.
------Thanks for the advice, that’s exactly the reason I will not do it. The main difference btw me and previous guy is that, I am not saying: it’s not safe; I am not going to do so and so on… Just take it or leave it. I will take it.
Once again, rosters are heavy, a lot of night flying and not an awful lot of days of. But hey, that’s the industry we have chosen to work in and its the same thing all over this little planet.
-------The roster is heavy in deed, and here again take it or leave it and there will be much more guys willing to get the money.
Good luck
-------Thanks.
from what I read from your posts you must be very new in the company. Welcome!
-----Thanks, that’s true.
I think what the others are trying to say here is that most rosters are really stretched to the limits, 90+ hours is more a rule then an exception and a lot of us are flying back to back flights with crossing over 8 time zones in between.
------I just got my roster; it says 93 BH with MNL and PVG and LHR and FCO and so on.
You might be one of the lucky ones now with your roster but believe me, it will not stay
like that.
------It didn’t in deed, so what?
It is true, you can refuse a flight because you think it is not safe. At least, thats whats written in the red book, but I would not recommend it. It might follow you around much longer then you want it to.
------Thanks for the advice, that’s exactly the reason I will not do it. The main difference btw me and previous guy is that, I am not saying: it’s not safe; I am not going to do so and so on… Just take it or leave it. I will take it.
Once again, rosters are heavy, a lot of night flying and not an awful lot of days of. But hey, that’s the industry we have chosen to work in and its the same thing all over this little planet.
-------The roster is heavy in deed, and here again take it or leave it and there will be much more guys willing to get the money.
Good luck
-------Thanks.
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From: Costa Geriatrica
Shouldn't it be "take it or get sacked"...well it is as far as the cabin crew are concerned.
Maybe when the safety audit was conducted they forgot to take an indepth look at the rosters.
Bear in mind that AAB even controls that side. Poor Bernard doesn't have any real say in what goes on.
A pity. The cabin crew deserve better.
Cheers
HR
Maybe when the safety audit was conducted they forgot to take an indepth look at the rosters.
Bear in mind that AAB even controls that side. Poor Bernard doesn't have any real say in what goes on.
A pity. The cabin crew deserve better.
Cheers
HR
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From: Europe
Shouldn't it be "take it or get sacked"...well it is as far as the cabin crew are concerned.
-------It shouldn’t be this way in terms of everybody and there should be no war in Iraq and no Dictators on this planet, but this isn’t the case. So you better get back to reality and the brutal reality is that, we can’t change anything here and we are not supposed to. We are only supposed to do the proper job, which is hard, I agree on that. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I agree with this policy as long as the management gives me a job and I will get paid for it. This is do to simple reason, because I am tired of thinking what the management could have done better and why have I lost my job.
There are some strange rules, but you know them and it’s only a matter of personnel discipline whether you follow them or not and as a consequence whether you going to get in troubles.
I would like to emphasize again that as long as the management is doing proper job and keep my job secured my tolerance level is variable until certain limit of course.
Maybe when the safety audit was conducted they forgot to take an indepth look at the rosters.
---------Well no comments on that, again as long as it legal I don’t have any objection.
Bear in mind that AAB even controls that side. Poor Bernard doesn't have any real say in what goes on.
---------Remember what happened in Europe particular with GB under Mr.
Neville Chamberlain
1937-40
CONSERVATIVE
Neville Chamberlain began his public career in 1915 in Birmingham, where he was born, as its lord mayor. In 1918 he became a member of Parliament. He served as minister of health in the ministry of Law (1923) and in Baldwin's government from (1924-29). He was chancellor of the Exchequer (1931-37) and followed Baldwin as prime minister in May 1937.
Prime minister at the outbreak of World War II, he attempted to establish peaceful relations with Hitler and Mussolini through a policy of appeasement. His approach was not without support, but it resulted in Eden's resignation as foreign secretary and generated bitter opposition from Winston Churchill.
Chamberlain engineered the Munich Pact in September 1938, negotiating with Hitler to settle the question of Czechoslovakia. The agreement signed by Britain, France, Italy and Germany gave the Sudeten, a resource rich area of Czechoslovakia, (one-fifth of the country on the German speaking border) to Germany with other areas going to Hungary and Poland. Returning in triumph to Britain at Heston Airport on September 30th, Chamberlain told a cheering crowd "I believe it is peace in our time." The peace did not last long. Germany took the rest of Czechoslovakia in March of 1938 and Chamberlain was cornered into guaranteeing Poland against attack. When Germany invaded Poland Britain declared war.
The handwriting was on the wall. Chamberlain's own party rebelled against him, forcing his resignation after British forces suffered defeat in Norway. Churchill was named prime minister in May of 1940. Chamberlain joined his cabinet briefly, resigned in October and died on 9 November 1940.
--------Taking the historical experience in to consideration, I would say we need a strong leader as England needed Mr. Churchill in order to succeed in that tuff competition and I am prepared to follow a strong leader. Do you want to feel comfortable loosing the battle and believe in your wishes, or do you want to win the battle, it’s up to you. As long as Mr. AAB is winning the battle, which he does for the time being, I don’t care what he controls. Every time requires an adequate leader.
A pity. The cabin crew deserve better.
--------Well, I wouldn’t differ between cabin and cockpit. I am sure you agree on that, it reflects the actual CRM concept doesn’t it?
Cheers
-------Once again, I would like to undermine that my motivation is purely egoistic.
HR
-------It shouldn’t be this way in terms of everybody and there should be no war in Iraq and no Dictators on this planet, but this isn’t the case. So you better get back to reality and the brutal reality is that, we can’t change anything here and we are not supposed to. We are only supposed to do the proper job, which is hard, I agree on that. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I agree with this policy as long as the management gives me a job and I will get paid for it. This is do to simple reason, because I am tired of thinking what the management could have done better and why have I lost my job.
There are some strange rules, but you know them and it’s only a matter of personnel discipline whether you follow them or not and as a consequence whether you going to get in troubles.
I would like to emphasize again that as long as the management is doing proper job and keep my job secured my tolerance level is variable until certain limit of course.
Maybe when the safety audit was conducted they forgot to take an indepth look at the rosters.
---------Well no comments on that, again as long as it legal I don’t have any objection.
Bear in mind that AAB even controls that side. Poor Bernard doesn't have any real say in what goes on.
---------Remember what happened in Europe particular with GB under Mr.
Neville Chamberlain
1937-40
CONSERVATIVE
Neville Chamberlain began his public career in 1915 in Birmingham, where he was born, as its lord mayor. In 1918 he became a member of Parliament. He served as minister of health in the ministry of Law (1923) and in Baldwin's government from (1924-29). He was chancellor of the Exchequer (1931-37) and followed Baldwin as prime minister in May 1937.
Prime minister at the outbreak of World War II, he attempted to establish peaceful relations with Hitler and Mussolini through a policy of appeasement. His approach was not without support, but it resulted in Eden's resignation as foreign secretary and generated bitter opposition from Winston Churchill.
Chamberlain engineered the Munich Pact in September 1938, negotiating with Hitler to settle the question of Czechoslovakia. The agreement signed by Britain, France, Italy and Germany gave the Sudeten, a resource rich area of Czechoslovakia, (one-fifth of the country on the German speaking border) to Germany with other areas going to Hungary and Poland. Returning in triumph to Britain at Heston Airport on September 30th, Chamberlain told a cheering crowd "I believe it is peace in our time." The peace did not last long. Germany took the rest of Czechoslovakia in March of 1938 and Chamberlain was cornered into guaranteeing Poland against attack. When Germany invaded Poland Britain declared war.
The handwriting was on the wall. Chamberlain's own party rebelled against him, forcing his resignation after British forces suffered defeat in Norway. Churchill was named prime minister in May of 1940. Chamberlain joined his cabinet briefly, resigned in October and died on 9 November 1940.
--------Taking the historical experience in to consideration, I would say we need a strong leader as England needed Mr. Churchill in order to succeed in that tuff competition and I am prepared to follow a strong leader. Do you want to feel comfortable loosing the battle and believe in your wishes, or do you want to win the battle, it’s up to you. As long as Mr. AAB is winning the battle, which he does for the time being, I don’t care what he controls. Every time requires an adequate leader.
A pity. The cabin crew deserve better.
--------Well, I wouldn’t differ between cabin and cockpit. I am sure you agree on that, it reflects the actual CRM concept doesn’t it?
Cheers
-------Once again, I would like to undermine that my motivation is purely egoistic.
HR
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From: Europe
Hey Popay, why don't you send a copy of the Chamberlain thing to Akbar and Saliya?
-----------I don’t need to send anything to anybody because I am fully satisfied with my own performance and in first line I am looking after me before I judge about others. I guess that’s why you are a cabin staff and I am cockpit.
Thank you for giving me a laugh on Xmas Eve!
----------I hope your laugh is not hysterical one. I have tried to explain you my opinion and you got pissed and didn’t say anything constructive except criticizing others.
I doubt very much that under your leadership we would reach the same performance, because you simply don’t have the balls for it.
Anyway, have a good laugh.
Cheers
-----------I don’t need to send anything to anybody because I am fully satisfied with my own performance and in first line I am looking after me before I judge about others. I guess that’s why you are a cabin staff and I am cockpit.
Thank you for giving me a laugh on Xmas Eve!
----------I hope your laugh is not hysterical one. I have tried to explain you my opinion and you got pissed and didn’t say anything constructive except criticizing others.
I doubt very much that under your leadership we would reach the same performance, because you simply don’t have the balls for it.
Anyway, have a good laugh.
Cheers
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From: Costa Geriatrica
Popay,
Spot the newboy!!LOL
I have criticized, and will continue to critcize, the dictatorship of AAB and Saliya.
Check previous threads and you will realise that I am not alone.
"you simply don’t have the balls for it."
They are in fine working order thank you. New arrival due in May!
Happy Holidays Popay
or should I say Bah Humbug!!?
Spot the newboy!!LOL
I have criticized, and will continue to critcize, the dictatorship of AAB and Saliya.
Check previous threads and you will realise that I am not alone.
"you simply don’t have the balls for it."
They are in fine working order thank you. New arrival due in May!
Happy Holidays Popay
or should I say Bah Humbug!!?
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Don’t always refer to others, stay for you self. You a free to do what ever you consider being right I will do it also. But then, having done that and got sacked, which I think you are, don’t blame everybody for own mistakes. That’s why there are losers and winners, I guess.
“or should I say Bah Humbug!!?”----- Well, what ever that means. If you are trying to guess who I am, that’s easy, just click on my personal web. I am, at least, not covering myself behind mysterious nickname you know who you are talking to. What about you? Do you have the balls to say who you are, or shell we wait until may?
Anyway I don’t think, this conversation was very constructive. It seems that this forum has degraded to a hot line for sacked cabin crew.
“or should I say Bah Humbug!!?”----- Well, what ever that means. If you are trying to guess who I am, that’s easy, just click on my personal web. I am, at least, not covering myself behind mysterious nickname you know who you are talking to. What about you? Do you have the balls to say who you are, or shell we wait until may?
Anyway I don’t think, this conversation was very constructive. It seems that this forum has degraded to a hot line for sacked cabin crew.
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From: Costa Geriatrica
Happy Xmas Popay...you really have made my day and given me a laugh like I say.
I hope you continue to have easy rosters and enjoy QR.
...but watch your back...who knows? That's the way life is in QR whether you agree or not....
Oh and for your info: how can I be hiding behind a name when most people on here know who I am and I have never denied nor confirmed. It really makes no odds to me and really does not and will not affect my future. Whatever happened is in the past and I have no regrets whatsoever. I am just one of many victims. You, very obviously, have no idea and are just privvy to idle gossip not too dissimilar to AAB and SK...
I honestly do not care who you are or what you do, but you do seem to be in a minority...
QR great potential, some great people and a lot of hardworking crew...pity about the treatment and the management. As someone who has experienced the disgusting treatment first hand...I feel I have a right to complain, moan, whinge..whatever you want to call it. I know it won't change a thing, but I will always strive to make people aware of what goes on at QR.
I am happy for you if, so far, you have not witnessed that.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Cheers
HR
I hope you continue to have easy rosters and enjoy QR.
...but watch your back...who knows? That's the way life is in QR whether you agree or not....
Oh and for your info: how can I be hiding behind a name when most people on here know who I am and I have never denied nor confirmed. It really makes no odds to me and really does not and will not affect my future. Whatever happened is in the past and I have no regrets whatsoever. I am just one of many victims. You, very obviously, have no idea and are just privvy to idle gossip not too dissimilar to AAB and SK...
I honestly do not care who you are or what you do, but you do seem to be in a minority...
QR great potential, some great people and a lot of hardworking crew...pity about the treatment and the management. As someone who has experienced the disgusting treatment first hand...I feel I have a right to complain, moan, whinge..whatever you want to call it. I know it won't change a thing, but I will always strive to make people aware of what goes on at QR.
I am happy for you if, so far, you have not witnessed that.
I wish you all the best for the future.
Cheers
HR
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Well, thanks for your wishes. I do wish you also all the best, but again I don’t know who you are.
The nick name homesick ray doesn’t say anything to me. Thanks for your recommendations. I do watch my back always regardless of my geographical position.
In all the correspondence we are missing the subject and that’s what do you exactly criticize?
My intention is exactly the same; I want the others to know about what’s going on in QR.
But in order to understand for me and for the rest of the forum, why you always criticizing the QR, we have to know, why you are doing this? To find out why you are doing this, I have to know your motivation. Is your motivation personal revenge on Mr.AAB, because you think you have been abused?
So, what exactly happened to you?
The only reason I am asking is, because I have heard some stories about being abused by the management, but once I have started to get deeper into details on that particular case, its suddenly turned out, that the related person has frequently violated the rules (what’s or ever) and been warned and finally got sacked.
Consequently I have to agree on this managements decision, because it’s been simply caused by the person it’s self.
Unfortunately there are also some colleges in the cockpit doing many stupid things (like drinking whole cappuccino, reserved for first class passengers), which cause the rest of us punishment.
I don’t have to tell you that we are in the service industry, serving the passengers in first line and staff comes as last. And as we are representing the airline with our outfit in the public, so do the actions of one pilot represent pilots as a group to the management.
Again there are pilots among us thinking they have the absolute priority on board and have only to be served by female and as first class passenger immediately after they have entered the cockpit. Is that normal? What would be your reaction on this kind of behaviour?
None of the actions of the management have been just taking without a reason.
My personal opinion on that Mr. AAB control everything is: I hope he continues to do so, because that’s the only way to find out what’s going on in the airline. He doesn’t relay on the information provided by the others, but just goes out on the ramp and watches everything himself.
In my previous airline I have only seen our CEO twice in 6 years and he obviously didn’t have a clue what’s going on. Consequently the airline got bankrupt and the CEO changed to another airline just couple of moths before. 250 Pilot went jobless. I, personally, admire a high ranking management taking care them self about the airline. That shows me, that they do care about us instead of playing golf.
Please don’t get me wrong, I am not saying you are wrong or right, but just be fair and tell the whole story and truth, so the others can judge about it.
Again let’s get exactly and precisely, relaying on facts, not just saying he/she is bad.
The nick name homesick ray doesn’t say anything to me. Thanks for your recommendations. I do watch my back always regardless of my geographical position.
In all the correspondence we are missing the subject and that’s what do you exactly criticize?
My intention is exactly the same; I want the others to know about what’s going on in QR.
But in order to understand for me and for the rest of the forum, why you always criticizing the QR, we have to know, why you are doing this? To find out why you are doing this, I have to know your motivation. Is your motivation personal revenge on Mr.AAB, because you think you have been abused?
So, what exactly happened to you?
The only reason I am asking is, because I have heard some stories about being abused by the management, but once I have started to get deeper into details on that particular case, its suddenly turned out, that the related person has frequently violated the rules (what’s or ever) and been warned and finally got sacked.
Consequently I have to agree on this managements decision, because it’s been simply caused by the person it’s self.
Unfortunately there are also some colleges in the cockpit doing many stupid things (like drinking whole cappuccino, reserved for first class passengers), which cause the rest of us punishment.
I don’t have to tell you that we are in the service industry, serving the passengers in first line and staff comes as last. And as we are representing the airline with our outfit in the public, so do the actions of one pilot represent pilots as a group to the management.
Again there are pilots among us thinking they have the absolute priority on board and have only to be served by female and as first class passenger immediately after they have entered the cockpit. Is that normal? What would be your reaction on this kind of behaviour?
None of the actions of the management have been just taking without a reason.
My personal opinion on that Mr. AAB control everything is: I hope he continues to do so, because that’s the only way to find out what’s going on in the airline. He doesn’t relay on the information provided by the others, but just goes out on the ramp and watches everything himself.
In my previous airline I have only seen our CEO twice in 6 years and he obviously didn’t have a clue what’s going on. Consequently the airline got bankrupt and the CEO changed to another airline just couple of moths before. 250 Pilot went jobless. I, personally, admire a high ranking management taking care them self about the airline. That shows me, that they do care about us instead of playing golf.
Please don’t get me wrong, I am not saying you are wrong or right, but just be fair and tell the whole story and truth, so the others can judge about it.
Again let’s get exactly and precisely, relaying on facts, not just saying he/she is bad.
Last edited by popay; 25th December 2004 at 14:28.
