QR limits
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QR limits
Hello everyone,
I have heard the rumour that Qatar Airways is again using the crew upto the limits. They are operating flights in the patteren that they land in the morning and again operating back the same night or evening.
Can someone from QR confirm or deny the news please ?
Happy Flying.
Geo
I have heard the rumour that Qatar Airways is again using the crew upto the limits. They are operating flights in the patteren that they land in the morning and again operating back the same night or evening.
Can someone from QR confirm or deny the news please ?
Happy Flying.
Geo
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Nothing surprises me...I have done 21hours straight with QR..."special dispensation from DCAM" operated with less than min Cabin Crew..."special dispensation from DCAM"
...almost as nice as DOH/DAC/BKK/MNL with the same crew!!!
Yep it's true...
Maybe Bangkok Layover and A300 man will recall these type of escapades!!??
Cheers
HR
...almost as nice as DOH/DAC/BKK/MNL with the same crew!!!
Yep it's true...
Maybe Bangkok Layover and A300 man will recall these type of escapades!!??
Cheers
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I remember it very well Home sick!!
DOH DAC BKK MNL,less than 24hrs rest and back the same way. and what did they pay us?
Now the latest pattern is,any night flight (such as TRV,COK) is a layover,but if you arrive in the morning after a flight you still have to operate in the evening/night.
DOH DAC BKK MNL,less than 24hrs rest and back the same way. and what did they pay us?
Now the latest pattern is,any night flight (such as TRV,COK) is a layover,but if you arrive in the morning after a flight you still have to operate in the evening/night.
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DOH/DAC/BKK/MNL...Tiring flight indeed!!! plus a very not understanding CSD... Purser as we call them the old days... Most crew were Filipinos and they have to see their families during the 18 hours layover, they can hardly open their eyes and a full flight almost from Manila.
I can't believe that they are still abusing the crew these days...
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I can't believe that they are still abusing the crew these days...
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I never flew with the company as a pax in the 747 days, but have obviously heard all stories about gruellingly long and tiring flights.
And also of flights into Africa for Air Afrique that QR used to operate on their behalf too, which were also long.
Now that QR is going to start Melbourne direct on A333s, does that mean that they will have crew rest areas on the aircraft? Surely EK and others must have crew rest on their flights down under.
Homesick - what is DCAM?
And also of flights into Africa for Air Afrique that QR used to operate on their behalf too, which were also long.
Now that QR is going to start Melbourne direct on A333s, does that mean that they will have crew rest areas on the aircraft? Surely EK and others must have crew rest on their flights down under.
Homesick - what is DCAM?
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Air afrique however was a very succesfull operation,interms of crew payment and was handled in 3 occations by the Old management,and the last 2 weeks by the Hitler's team.
It was long,but operated only one sector and ferry the return with a layover in Africa.so it wasnt bad.
It was tough for the Flight deck crew though.
It was long,but operated only one sector and ferry the return with a layover in Africa.so it wasnt bad.
It was tough for the Flight deck crew though.
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QR Limits/Short of crews
Could this be because they are short of crews?
Are there enough type rated crews being hired?
I believe they stop hiring non type rated crews, does this mean they will continue to hire non type rated crews to avoid the crew shortage?
Are there any other ideas about this?
Cheers
Are there enough type rated crews being hired?
I believe they stop hiring non type rated crews, does this mean they will continue to hire non type rated crews to avoid the crew shortage?
Are there any other ideas about this?
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Hostler.
Thanks for the lesson. Not everyone speaks English as the first language BTW Do you speak any other language?
Back to my question… Do you know if QR is hiring non type rated “ P I L O T S “ again?
Thanks for the info.
P.S. Did I get it right this time?
Thanks for the lesson. Not everyone speaks English as the first language BTW Do you speak any other language?
Back to my question…
Do you know if QR is hiring non type rated “ P I L O T S “ again?Thanks for the info.
P.S. Did I get it right this time?
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Don't know if they are hiring any non-typerated guys/gals, but I know they just ran some interviews last week of guys that were not type rated.
The interviewing normally would suggest the type of hiring they do but as you know, ANYTHING is possible.
HM
The interviewing normally would suggest the type of hiring they do but as you know, ANYTHING is possible.
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Anything goes at QR
I remember doing Manilla flights with 8 hrs rest, no other reputable airline would allow this except QR.
Just spoken to my mates at QR and everythings still the same: crew are fed up, terrible rules and regulations, terrible CRM - by the way does the SEP manual still have a blank section which is supposed to cover CRM?
Could you imagine if there was a union at QR!!!!!!!!!!!the "airline" would shut down overnight!!!!!
Just spoken to my mates at QR and everythings still the same: crew are fed up, terrible rules and regulations, terrible CRM - by the way does the SEP manual still have a blank section which is supposed to cover CRM?
Could you imagine if there was a union at QR!!!!!!!!!!!the "airline" would shut down overnight!!!!!
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Don't know whether you guys are living in the same world as I do! I fly 330s for QR and this month I have 75 hours rostered. That is the toughest month in the last 4 months. For a few months last winter 90+ hours per month were not unknown but crewing is OK now, plus the JAA flight time limitations have been adopted.
8 hrs turnaround in Manila is bulls**t. The QCAA regs require a minimum of 10 hours IN A HOTEL ROOM. Never in my time with QR have I ever been asked to do anything that comes close to breaching the FTRs.
Virtually nothing in the above posts comes close to the truth. I suspect they are from disaffected staff or people who do not know their regs. Both groups are well represented in the company.
CRM in QR? It is certainly the objective of the Flt Ops department and a great deal of time is spent on it. Unfortunately it has yet to become an every day part of the airlines culture. When company communications improve, senior management publicly adopt the principles of CRM and the CCMs give up their back stabbing and reporting then it might have a chance.
This is a young airline with great potential but, given its age, it can not be expected to exactly mirror a well established airline. Give them time and they will get there.
8 hrs turnaround in Manila is bulls**t. The QCAA regs require a minimum of 10 hours IN A HOTEL ROOM. Never in my time with QR have I ever been asked to do anything that comes close to breaching the FTRs.
Virtually nothing in the above posts comes close to the truth. I suspect they are from disaffected staff or people who do not know their regs. Both groups are well represented in the company.
CRM in QR? It is certainly the objective of the Flt Ops department and a great deal of time is spent on it. Unfortunately it has yet to become an every day part of the airlines culture. When company communications improve, senior management publicly adopt the principles of CRM and the CCMs give up their back stabbing and reporting then it might have a chance.
This is a young airline with great potential but, given its age, it can not be expected to exactly mirror a well established airline. Give them time and they will get there.
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You will only get 8 days off a month rostered.
If they don't have a flight to fill your schedule with, they will put a standby day or a TBN ( to be notified) you will not get more than 8 days off. Occasionally you may see a 9 day off ( once a year perhaps) but this is how it goes at QR.
you could be rostered to fly like a dog for the month, but you will never get a bone for doing it.
" 8 DAYS ONLY.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and if you ask why, they will say, this is what we have been told to give you only 8 days off.
Did I say already, 8 days off?..............
Well thats it...................... 8 days off only.......incase I did not say it already.........
HM
If they don't have a flight to fill your schedule with, they will put a standby day or a TBN ( to be notified) you will not get more than 8 days off. Occasionally you may see a 9 day off ( once a year perhaps) but this is how it goes at QR.
you could be rostered to fly like a dog for the month, but you will never get a bone for doing it.
" 8 DAYS ONLY.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and if you ask why, they will say, this is what we have been told to give you only 8 days off.
Did I say already, 8 days off?..............
Well thats it...................... 8 days off only.......incase I did not say it already.........
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Crusty:
Well, call me a liar, but I have operated such flights!! Mind you I left in 2001 so maybe/ hopefully things have changed.
Maybe you joined later on where things matbe ain't so bad if you are flight deck.....as I said in a previous post, I operated 21 hours straight for QR on a DOH DAC turnaround which became delayed and delayed. They needed the aircraft in DOH, took about 6 hours to decide what they wanted to do and then gave that old number..."special dispensation for DCAM".
I believe Mubarak BA was one of the skippers...certainly Karlton and Clinton on the Cabin crew so why don't you check your facts before accusing us of being "disaffected crew who don't know the regs" Or ask Bunty, Crewing Manager...
...oh and just for the record I was actually seconded to the crewing dept for a while and I AM VERY AWARE of the regs!
Well, call me a liar, but I have operated such flights!! Mind you I left in 2001 so maybe/ hopefully things have changed.
Maybe you joined later on where things matbe ain't so bad if you are flight deck.....as I said in a previous post, I operated 21 hours straight for QR on a DOH DAC turnaround which became delayed and delayed. They needed the aircraft in DOH, took about 6 hours to decide what they wanted to do and then gave that old number..."special dispensation for DCAM".
I believe Mubarak BA was one of the skippers...certainly Karlton and Clinton on the Cabin crew so why don't you check your facts before accusing us of being "disaffected crew who don't know the regs" Or ask Bunty, Crewing Manager...
...oh and just for the record I was actually seconded to the crewing dept for a while and I AM VERY AWARE of the regs!
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Aha, Homesick.
Now that you mention it, I actually DO indeed remember that flight - the famous DAC turnaround. I also recall that Karlton and Clinton (now gone) were on that flight. It was a famous flight that one - heard many people talking about it. PM me and tell me who was the CSD? (Assume it was an A300, given that the Captain was Alibinali???? He's still going very, very strong, but nowadays on the A330!)
I recall many accounts from various people about excessive flying with QR - but never heard the one about DCAM before.
Anyway - more destinations, more aircraft, more frequencies, more seats (The A330-300), but, alas......LESS crew and less rest.
No matter what, the guys and girls on board are STILL delivering a trul exceptional service. I take my hat off to them.
I have had my arm twisted up my back to try out Etihad next week, for the first time..........let's see what they have to offer.
Cheers,
A300Man
Now that you mention it, I actually DO indeed remember that flight - the famous DAC turnaround. I also recall that Karlton and Clinton (now gone) were on that flight. It was a famous flight that one - heard many people talking about it. PM me and tell me who was the CSD? (Assume it was an A300, given that the Captain was Alibinali???? He's still going very, very strong, but nowadays on the A330!)
I recall many accounts from various people about excessive flying with QR - but never heard the one about DCAM before.
Anyway - more destinations, more aircraft, more frequencies, more seats (The A330-300), but, alas......LESS crew and less rest.
No matter what, the guys and girls on board are STILL delivering a trul exceptional service. I take my hat off to them.
I have had my arm twisted up my back to try out Etihad next week, for the first time..........let's see what they have to offer.
Cheers,
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Homesick
You are talking of the good old days and I am reporting how I find things now!
The new regs were only adopted (foisted on the company by the QAA?) recently. They prevent some of the old abuses and make life a little easier.
As for days off! 8 days is the norm and a way is always found to roster you even if there is no work for you to do. I have several times requested 4 or 5 days off in a block and the request has always been granted.
Minimum turnarounds are now the exception rather than the rule but they do still happen, sometimes used as a mechanism to help facilitate a request.
You are talking of the good old days and I am reporting how I find things now!
The new regs were only adopted (foisted on the company by the QAA?) recently. They prevent some of the old abuses and make life a little easier.
As for days off! 8 days is the norm and a way is always found to roster you even if there is no work for you to do. I have several times requested 4 or 5 days off in a block and the request has always been granted.
Minimum turnarounds are now the exception rather than the rule but they do still happen, sometimes used as a mechanism to help facilitate a request.