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Sorry FF, I missed the "DEC" part of your financial question. I am on the F/O side of the ledger. It's a sore point. I have been flying professionally for over 20 years, the last 15 before EK as Captain on transport aircraft. When EK changed the rules, I was disadvantaged. The vast majority of F/O's here are fully qualified for Captain by any international standard. It's EK's folly to bypass them.
However, it's certainly not your fault and I don't hold any grudges to good guys who come under the "new" rules.
Back, then, to your financial question. I would suggest that a 7 year Captain with 2 kids can have a good lifestyle and save money. I would guess that $3000-$4000 USD per month could be saved. It sounds like a lot, but I don't think it's enough to lead to freedom 55.
On another topic, did someone really suggest that a move to California would be good because of the driving?!?!? Surly this is a joke, right? (Honestly, the way the post is written I can't tell. Apologies if this is written by someone who has English as a second or third language...) I like California and have spent lots of time there. Yet entire movies have been made about the driving problems. That's not to mention the fact that every second car has a loaded pistol in it!
Regardless, I have to back up Fish. The lifestyle here is great (not perfect) and it's rather petty for someone from away to trash it.
However, it's certainly not your fault and I don't hold any grudges to good guys who come under the "new" rules.
Back, then, to your financial question. I would suggest that a 7 year Captain with 2 kids can have a good lifestyle and save money. I would guess that $3000-$4000 USD per month could be saved. It sounds like a lot, but I don't think it's enough to lead to freedom 55.
On another topic, did someone really suggest that a move to California would be good because of the driving?!?!? Surly this is a joke, right? (Honestly, the way the post is written I can't tell. Apologies if this is written by someone who has English as a second or third language...) I like California and have spent lots of time there. Yet entire movies have been made about the driving problems. That's not to mention the fact that every second car has a loaded pistol in it!
Regardless, I have to back up Fish. The lifestyle here is great (not perfect) and it's rather petty for someone from away to trash it.
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Canuck, what are you talking about. At least if you've got a gun in the car you can do something about some arse that accelerates up to your rear view mirror, then threatens your family by driving by in the emergency lane. 
"Pop a cap in his mother F'rkin arse!" 
I agree that the lifestyle is good Fish, but there are people out there who would have the lifestyle in their home countries if there were jobs around. The fact is, there aren't, and we're all stuck here. I think we all need to realise that the Company doesn't really care about 'you, the individual', who came here to further your career.
As for 'money isn't everything': well, what it does give you is a CHOICE. I think most expats are here to make cash and go, and to do that, people came here with a plan. If costs rise and the salary stays the same, then things take a lot longer to happen. Fish, I think you'd be the first to admit that if you had the cash, you'd be gone tomorrow.
Again, it's a shame that people aren't made to feel valued. We are VERY poor at doing that. And do you know what, it wouldn't cost a thing to change it
"Pop a cap in his mother F'rkin arse!" I agree that the lifestyle is good Fish, but there are people out there who would have the lifestyle in their home countries if there were jobs around. The fact is, there aren't, and we're all stuck here. I think we all need to realise that the Company doesn't really care about 'you, the individual', who came here to further your career.
As for 'money isn't everything': well, what it does give you is a CHOICE. I think most expats are here to make cash and go, and to do that, people came here with a plan. If costs rise and the salary stays the same, then things take a lot longer to happen. Fish, I think you'd be the first to admit that if you had the cash, you'd be gone tomorrow.
Again, it's a shame that people aren't made to feel valued. We are VERY poor at doing that. And do you know what, it wouldn't cost a thing to change it
Again, it's a shame that people aren't made to feel valued. We are VERY poor at doing that. And do you know what, it wouldn't cost a thing to change it.
Anyway, I am not only going to agree with your last paragraph, I am going to wholeheartedly endorse it. Even the management themselves are the first to admit that, yet your right, it wouldn't cost a thing to change.
And yet, it doesn't take a whole lot effort to do.
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Bus,
I am with you regarding rules being bent in the midst of the game. It is too unfortunate that it happens at least once to almost all of us at a point on a career.
I wish you all on this process get the proper place at the LHS as you certainlly deserve it.
Back to my question: how much you figure one can pack after a 7 or so years Capt with EK?
Good flights!
I am with you regarding rules being bent in the midst of the game. It is too unfortunate that it happens at least once to almost all of us at a point on a career.
I wish you all on this process get the proper place at the LHS as you certainlly deserve it.
Back to my question: how much you figure one can pack after a 7 or so years Capt with EK?
Good flights!
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Hey FF,
You're going to have to do the math. The Provident Fund pays 17% of your salary. Who knows what ROR you can expect. Plan 5%? Your monthly savings depends on how you spend you money. Further to what I wrote above, if you saved an average of $2000-$3000/month over the 7 years, you'd be doing well.
Like we all keep saying, EK is not a make the money and run kind of airline. When I did my own math, it was a minimum 12 year stint to make it worth the move...
BC
You're going to have to do the math. The Provident Fund pays 17% of your salary. Who knows what ROR you can expect. Plan 5%? Your monthly savings depends on how you spend you money. Further to what I wrote above, if you saved an average of $2000-$3000/month over the 7 years, you'd be doing well.
Like we all keep saying, EK is not a make the money and run kind of airline. When I did my own math, it was a minimum 12 year stint to make it worth the move...
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How come under Far East Forum "Dragonair" you tells us all you only have 1850 hours yet you claim to have been offered a DEC with EK which you turned down??
Correction Fragrant Harbour
How come under Far East Forum "Dragonair" you tells us all you only have 1850 hours yet you claim to have been offered a DEC with EK which you turned down??
Correction Fragrant Harbour
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application form
I have just filled in the application form but on the jet experience page there is no mention of my type (f100). This would give the impression that i have less relevant experience.
However the ERJ135/145 and CRJ are mentioned.
This is of concern as I have 3000 hrs on type. Any one give me an email address or contact number to try and resolve this.
Thanks in advance
However the ERJ135/145 and CRJ are mentioned.
This is of concern as I have 3000 hrs on type. Any one give me an email address or contact number to try and resolve this.
Thanks in advance
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The inevitable will happen one day. EK will come to cruise speed and the right seats will be filled with moaning F/O that had previous captain experience.
The only thing that will be left for them is the privilege to live in Dubai. Mild winters and awfully hot summers during which the whole place runs empty. Those with children will find themselves with a huge problem of what to do with them in the summer. Wives get bored and jealous of their husbands exploring the world after a couple of years.
I have said it before; those that will join EK for the money only will be disappointed in the long run. Those that join EK with a family must be very careful about the consequences that will have. A very artificial life with extremely long duty times in the future.
However most captains are there to have a good time and enjoy the lifestyle and do not want to get too involved in any form of training or discussions on operational matters during normal operations. It’s simply too precarious for them to get too involved and possibly expose they do not always agree.
To become an EK captain you have to understand more than just your aircraft and the operations. EK really is a political system, it’s who you know and not what you know that has become far too important. On top of that there is a remarkable amount of gossip and rumors going around.
Great place for the bachelor DEC.
The only thing that will be left for them is the privilege to live in Dubai. Mild winters and awfully hot summers during which the whole place runs empty. Those with children will find themselves with a huge problem of what to do with them in the summer. Wives get bored and jealous of their husbands exploring the world after a couple of years.
I have said it before; those that will join EK for the money only will be disappointed in the long run. Those that join EK with a family must be very careful about the consequences that will have. A very artificial life with extremely long duty times in the future.
However most captains are there to have a good time and enjoy the lifestyle and do not want to get too involved in any form of training or discussions on operational matters during normal operations. It’s simply too precarious for them to get too involved and possibly expose they do not always agree.
To become an EK captain you have to understand more than just your aircraft and the operations. EK really is a political system, it’s who you know and not what you know that has become far too important. On top of that there is a remarkable amount of gossip and rumors going around.
Great place for the bachelor DEC.
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read a bit further back millerscourt. sounds like laury might be telling stories and/or stirring up sh!t. 
some people have nothing better to do than wind up others...
some people have nothing better to do than wind up others...
