Emirates DECs
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Rosbif,
Nobody here is certain about what's going on either. EK's recruitment is in turmoil. The team involved are working their asses off to meet company requirements (my hat off to them!!), and those requirements are in a state of flux...... to say the least. My suggestion to you would be ....apply anyway. At least you are then commencing an application history with the company, so when your expereience does meet the requirements (whatever they might be!?) they can see your interest goes back awhile. Also, if they change the requirements you're already on file. Just a thought.....
Best of luck!
Nobody here is certain about what's going on either. EK's recruitment is in turmoil. The team involved are working their asses off to meet company requirements (my hat off to them!!), and those requirements are in a state of flux...... to say the least. My suggestion to you would be ....apply anyway. At least you are then commencing an application history with the company, so when your expereience does meet the requirements (whatever they might be!?) they can see your interest goes back awhile. Also, if they change the requirements you're already on file. Just a thought.....
Best of luck!
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laury, I can't help being a smart-ares, sorry. 
But your date(s) still smells bad.
That timing sounds very dodgy. Did they offer you the job the day you finished the interview???
And as for pay, why would they tell anyone the pay is LESS than existing line capts when in fact it was (at the time) higher?
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But your date(s) still smells bad.
That timing sounds very dodgy. Did they offer you the job the day you finished the interview???And as for pay, why would they tell anyone the pay is LESS than existing line capts when in fact it was (at the time) higher?
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Just to butt in...
Emirates (from a distance) always seemed to be a place where a fella could earn a lot of tax free money in a short period of time. Prime reason for anyone being an expat.
But the 16,700 dirhams posted on the careers website translates to Aussie$5,900 /month, or about AU$70k.
That does not seem like much when a plain vanilla 146 FO like my good self earned over AU$80k last year with allowances. Sure, the top part of my income was taxed at 48%, but my after tax was AU$4,800 on average.
Maybe my quick sums are missing a few factors, but the advertised 16,700 dirhams does not look like a gold mine.......
Would love to be proven wrong!
Emirates (from a distance) always seemed to be a place where a fella could earn a lot of tax free money in a short period of time. Prime reason for anyone being an expat.
But the 16,700 dirhams posted on the careers website translates to Aussie$5,900 /month, or about AU$70k.
That does not seem like much when a plain vanilla 146 FO like my good self earned over AU$80k last year with allowances. Sure, the top part of my income was taxed at 48%, but my after tax was AU$4,800 on average.
Maybe my quick sums are missing a few factors, but the advertised 16,700 dirhams does not look like a gold mine.......
Would love to be proven wrong!
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ITCZ.
It's now not a goldmine, sure. But remember, a short time ago that 16.7k dhs was about 9k AUD per month. It fluctuates.
Also, out of your $4800 you have to pay for your accom (either rent or mortgage), school fees for kids, private health insurance etc. It's not a simple translation.
Certainly not as attractive to be earning USD ATM
It's now not a goldmine, sure. But remember, a short time ago that 16.7k dhs was about 9k AUD per month. It fluctuates.
Also, out of your $4800 you have to pay for your accom (either rent or mortgage), school fees for kids, private health insurance etc. It's not a simple translation.
Certainly not as attractive to be earning USD ATM
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dec at emirates
for those of you at ek, i would like your opinions. i am former tw captain, now at aa. i am thinking about jumping ship for direct entrycaptain job. i am high time and international experience on the 767, 51 years old, wife and 4 year old. daughter. i was in top 10% at tw but now 53 percintile at aa (nice integration :-( ) , with restrictions on where i can go and what i can do. in otherwords, my last 9 years (at $160 to 200 k/yr) willnot be alot of fun (reserve some, domestic,etc.)
please give me honest feelings. is it too big an adventure considering the "relative stability" ihave in the usa?
thanks...dave
please give me honest feelings. is it too big an adventure considering the "relative stability" ihave in the usa?
thanks...dave
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Dave,
I think you would make a big mistake.... 9 years to go.... Go for the cash.... You have been in this business long enough to know that the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence....Is it? Realy?
P.S. If you realy want to go there, I am sure a lot of EK guys would be interested on swapping jobs....
I think you would make a big mistake.... 9 years to go.... Go for the cash.... You have been in this business long enough to know that the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence....Is it? Realy?
P.S. If you realy want to go there, I am sure a lot of EK guys would be interested on swapping jobs....
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Dave,
As you can see from the above replies, the bloom has gone off the rose at EK...and many other expat jobs as well.
These 'golden' years are in the past, and not likely to return anytime soon.
Told the guys here nearly three years ago that DE commands would be offered at EK, and was laughed at then...now the truth has come to pass and many co-pilots at EK are on the outside of a command, looking in.
Stay where you are, and enjoy retirement in a few years.
For the EK guys...told you so.
As you can see from the above replies, the bloom has gone off the rose at EK...and many other expat jobs as well.
These 'golden' years are in the past, and not likely to return anytime soon.
Told the guys here nearly three years ago that DE commands would be offered at EK, and was laughed at then...now the truth has come to pass and many co-pilots at EK are on the outside of a command, looking in.
Stay where you are, and enjoy retirement in a few years.
For the EK guys...told you so.
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Gee 411A I wish I was as clever as you, because if I was I would be a very rich man with better things to do than post smartarsed comments on a pilots forum.
Nip down to the life shop and buy one.
Nip down to the life shop and buy one.
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Not surprised at all that EK management is looking at revising their upgrade policy, they have probably discovered that it is generally cheaper to direct hire commanders rather than upgrade co-pilots.
Considerable training costs can be saved by doing so, especially if the guys they hire are already experienced on type.
Direct hire Captains are a proven commodity, unlike co-pilots who may...or might not be successful with an upgrade.
Considerable training costs can be saved by doing so, especially if the guys they hire are already experienced on type.
Direct hire Captains are a proven commodity, unlike co-pilots who may...or might not be successful with an upgrade.
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Well, 411a, it seems quite obvious to me that EK needs your visionary talents quite badly, and right now. Given your doubtlessly unique talents, I'm sure they'll be quick to overlook your date of birth if, as I suspect it is, prior to 1947, along with your psychological profile, which, I also suspect, might not fit exactly into the normal EK pilot candidate profile.
I look forward to hearing your reports here on Pprune on the plethora of ‘sub-standard’ FOs that EK currently employs. (Almost as much as I would look forward to hearing the reports the FOs would have on you.)
Tell me, if you will… how does – in fact did – a mere mortal like myself in the World According to 411a ever get to be a… (pauses to stand to stiffly to attention and solemnly salute, note the reverent use of the capital and please imagine a tone of awestruck wonder as I say this magic word) …Captain… if all FOs coming up for command are as incompetent as you seem to believe they are?
I look forward to hearing your reports here on Pprune on the plethora of ‘sub-standard’ FOs that EK currently employs. (Almost as much as I would look forward to hearing the reports the FOs would have on you.)
Tell me, if you will… how does – in fact did – a mere mortal like myself in the World According to 411a ever get to be a… (pauses to stand to stiffly to attention and solemnly salute, note the reverent use of the capital and please imagine a tone of awestruck wonder as I say this magic word) …Captain… if all FOs coming up for command are as incompetent as you seem to believe they are?
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Generally a reasonable statement BusyB, the said Captains need to be selected carefully.
In two companies where I spent a rather long time, watched DE Captains hired (expereinced on type), given a short differences course, foreshortened line training, and assigned to a regular line of flying in thirty days from commencement of employment.
Considerable fewer training Captain hours required in this exercise, rather than upgrade from within.
Having said this, a few of the 'bypassed' First Officers had a rather large chip on their shoulder about this, and would tend to complain bitterly to management about this process, and were promptly told by the fleet manager/chief pilot to button their lip least their upgrade be further delayed.
Suspect that EK management has made up their collective minds about DE Captains, and the guys there will have no other choice but to accept...or quit.
Of course, EK will have to pay competitive salaries now that world-wide aviation is starting a slow upturn. If they don't, they might find the DE Captain in-box rather less that half full.
In two companies where I spent a rather long time, watched DE Captains hired (expereinced on type), given a short differences course, foreshortened line training, and assigned to a regular line of flying in thirty days from commencement of employment.
Considerable fewer training Captain hours required in this exercise, rather than upgrade from within.
Having said this, a few of the 'bypassed' First Officers had a rather large chip on their shoulder about this, and would tend to complain bitterly to management about this process, and were promptly told by the fleet manager/chief pilot to button their lip least their upgrade be further delayed.
Suspect that EK management has made up their collective minds about DE Captains, and the guys there will have no other choice but to accept...or quit.
Of course, EK will have to pay competitive salaries now that world-wide aviation is starting a slow upturn. If they don't, they might find the DE Captain in-box rather less that half full.
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411a. That's the best post I've read of yours yet.
I've heard that DEC's have got here expecting (and were told) they would receive a 'larger package' and, on arrival, have been told they start where everyone else does.
Interesting, but still a rumour......
I've heard that DEC's have got here expecting (and were told) they would receive a 'larger package' and, on arrival, have been told they start where everyone else does.
Interesting, but still a rumour......
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The last few responses have been good ones,but I fail to see the big deal in the DEC issue. If an airline can't get the supply that they need and they can't promote from within because people aren't ready( in management's view), they don't want to be promoted, or they have issues where they can't do training experiments on line flights and have incidents and accidents; then they have to hire from the outside. Most people from the outside have the T-shirt and they may or may not do better than promoting someone from within. But a proven track record speaks for itself. It's that simple. Most airlines today can't take adverse publicity nor the $$ cost of having incidents or accidents. This is true worldwide.
If you have a seniority system and a system where people get trained when your number comes up, it works reasonably well. But when you try to upgrade and fail, the downward spiral and the consequences are not pleasant.
If you have a seniority system and a system where people get trained when your number comes up, it works reasonably well. But when you try to upgrade and fail, the downward spiral and the consequences are not pleasant.