Emirates DECs
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Emirates DECs
Any insight on how's been EK DECs screening, is there enough of type rated and qualified applicants?
Is EKs pilot recruitment working at a fast pace on this regard?
Cheers!
Is EKs pilot recruitment working at a fast pace on this regard?
Cheers!
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Fullforwrd....that is a goodquestion. Can somebody over there characterize the situation?
When Emirates went to a DEC, does that mean they are depserate? WIll there be any airplanes parked? Can anybody post an airplane delivery schedule over the next few years?
Does Emirates require currency? If one had a 777 rating and last flew it in 1999 is that good or bad? Would a rating actaully make any difference/ I presume Emirates would be giving a full school when one has been off of a given airplane and flying another type now. Is there a bond?
What is the time between applying and starting class? Is the pay during training less than the first year line pay?
I am more curious than anything.
How many pilots does Emirates have?
I ask these only to get a flavor because you can't get on at another company or another part of the world with someone actually being there.
In real life at Emirates,how often would one be there and for what periods of time once checked out?
When Emirates went to a DEC, does that mean they are depserate? WIll there be any airplanes parked? Can anybody post an airplane delivery schedule over the next few years?
Does Emirates require currency? If one had a 777 rating and last flew it in 1999 is that good or bad? Would a rating actaully make any difference/ I presume Emirates would be giving a full school when one has been off of a given airplane and flying another type now. Is there a bond?
What is the time between applying and starting class? Is the pay during training less than the first year line pay?
I am more curious than anything.
How many pilots does Emirates have?
I ask these only to get a flavor because you can't get on at another company or another part of the world with someone actually being there.
In real life at Emirates,how often would one be there and for what periods of time once checked out?
From what l understand the DEC applicants are few and far between. Then there is the selection process to go through. so not all applicants will get a go.
They may be desperate, but l don't know. The hours worked each month is currently on the high side.
They are looking for Airbus guys at the moment.
The 340-300's turn up en-mass from Q2 2004
The 340-500's have started to trickle in as we speak.
The 340-600's late next year, l think.
777-300ER from Q2 2005.
If any one can correct the above please do so.
The difference between orders and deliveries may vary, but from a company document they talk about a delivery of one airframe per month till 2010.
Application for FO positions to interview can vary from a few months to two years or more as there are still thousands in the hold pool.
Your starting salary is year one pay from day one.
There are 840 pilots on the list last time l saw it, but that was a few weeks ago. l seem to only blink and another A4 list of guys has been added.
Time here is up to you. There is a three year bond for the transition.
There is all sorts of other stuff in "The Package" that if you do even a minor search of this forum you will find out about. The good, the bad and the ugly.
Good luck
halas
They may be desperate, but l don't know. The hours worked each month is currently on the high side.
They are looking for Airbus guys at the moment.
The 340-300's turn up en-mass from Q2 2004
The 340-500's have started to trickle in as we speak.
The 340-600's late next year, l think.
777-300ER from Q2 2005.
If any one can correct the above please do so.
The difference between orders and deliveries may vary, but from a company document they talk about a delivery of one airframe per month till 2010.
Application for FO positions to interview can vary from a few months to two years or more as there are still thousands in the hold pool.
Your starting salary is year one pay from day one.
There are 840 pilots on the list last time l saw it, but that was a few weeks ago. l seem to only blink and another A4 list of guys has been added.
Time here is up to you. There is a three year bond for the transition.
There is all sorts of other stuff in "The Package" that if you do even a minor search of this forum you will find out about. The good, the bad and the ugly.
Good luck
halas
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Fullforward.....I can ask as many questions as I can answer<bg>!
But I hope PPRUNE is for exchanging views and thoughts with others who can help. Maybe sometimes people want to argue and scream,but it doesn't do any good. We should be here to help each other.
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But I hope PPRUNE is for exchanging views and thoughts with others who can help. Maybe sometimes people want to argue and scream,but it doesn't do any good. We should be here to help each other.
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Jim Morehead,
It seems to me that you are looking to jump ship!
Yes, we are here at this forum to help out and exchange info but,
I think you ask a bit too much if you were not looking at EK.
I always thought you had a great time at CAL? maybe the honeymoon is over at CAL and reality sets in. A quick question for you, how come they gave you so many line checks in the month that you had been checked out and later roster you for more?
Trust me, you will see more BS at CAL.
It seems to me that you are looking to jump ship!
Yes, we are here at this forum to help out and exchange info but,
I think you ask a bit too much if you were not looking at EK.
I always thought you had a great time at CAL? maybe the honeymoon is over at CAL and reality sets in. A quick question for you, how come they gave you so many line checks in the month that you had been checked out and later roster you for more?
Trust me, you will see more BS at CAL.
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ETOPS..good questions and I did not mean to imply anything.
I can tell you that there are not many situations out there that I would enjoy going to.
It was almost one year ago when my former company started downhill and then Filed for Bankruptcy in DEC, I recall. I started reading a lot of US and International jobs boards and publications. Although I looked at many scenarios, I only applied one place and that was CAL. That was probably because I was current on 747-400 and they had immediate openings.
From threads other forums, you would see that I became frustrated how some companies and countries would not entertain the though of Direct Entry and US ratings. Then some companies/countries required CURRENCY. Well that was not possible. My 767 ended in 1997 and 777 ended in 1999. I couldn't very well stay current in 4 airplanes.
About that time SQ had stopped hiring in all positions. That essentially left CAL. It was a natural fit for me. In fact,about 6 months before my ultimate retirement decision, I had downbid to 777 from the 747-400 to get current so I could actually have been current on two airplanes for 90 days or so. So I was planning knowing that I was 90% going to retire from UAL. That happened and the rest is history.
Some things work for some people and other things work for other people.
Now to the check ride issue. I think my timing was such that they do give all new Captains a check and some people get a consolidation check as they call it. I think that is done if you were not rated on the airplane. Then Flight Operations decided that people would have a check to SFO and ANC because of the problems these two stations had. CAL has most FOQAs at SFO/ANC/HKG as you undoubtedly know since I think you are a CAL guy. Even though I went to ANC on "my own" in my former life and even one week earlier at CAL,they still insisted I be "checked". I tried to get out of it,but was told it was a CAA requirement. I do not know whether it was retroactive to the incumbent pilots. Then they rode with me to SFO which was my annual check AND the SFO check. So actually I got one LESS ride than possible. And I think I am going to be "checkless (as in check and evaluation) for one full year.
I can tell you I am checked and overchecked,but I don't make the rules. I don't think there is any pilot who loves getting checked and observed because you always have to perform at your peak. So perhaps I can just go fly a routine line trip this week.
BTW, I am 5 hours from getting off high minimums and 1 practice C2 landing from being up with the big boys. As a CAL employee ETOPS, I am sure you know that CAL requires 100 hours PIC before getting off high minimums and letting First Officers fly. CAL often uses 2 Captains on a trip and being the relief pilot does not generate PIC time. So it has taken 255 hours to get 95 PIC.
But the good news to all of this is that I am being paid and when you write a check to the bank every month for mortgages abd bills...they like that!
On your last point, I think I know what the future holds as a CAL Captain. I am prepared for anything.
Lastly, drop me an E-mail or PM so that I can know who ETOPS is and we can further discuss this over beer. I can confirm that there is still some beer and there are still ladies of the night in the ZONE in Taipei. Perhaps you could ask for an airline discount. That was current information as of last night!
ETOPS777...Had one more thought about check rides,etc.
Just for the record, I started in May and got 30 days off without pay because of slow business and SARs for June.
I had the "short course" and it has taken a long time. In fact, it took May,July,and August to complete. In fact we get (required) to go to the fire department and earthquake simulator to get the last box checked that we did not do last June because of SARs. I don't make the rules.
But the good news is that I have a HNL layover in 2 days. I think I can find the island. I did the last time with another airline!!!
I can tell you that there are not many situations out there that I would enjoy going to.
It was almost one year ago when my former company started downhill and then Filed for Bankruptcy in DEC, I recall. I started reading a lot of US and International jobs boards and publications. Although I looked at many scenarios, I only applied one place and that was CAL. That was probably because I was current on 747-400 and they had immediate openings.
From threads other forums, you would see that I became frustrated how some companies and countries would not entertain the though of Direct Entry and US ratings. Then some companies/countries required CURRENCY. Well that was not possible. My 767 ended in 1997 and 777 ended in 1999. I couldn't very well stay current in 4 airplanes.
About that time SQ had stopped hiring in all positions. That essentially left CAL. It was a natural fit for me. In fact,about 6 months before my ultimate retirement decision, I had downbid to 777 from the 747-400 to get current so I could actually have been current on two airplanes for 90 days or so. So I was planning knowing that I was 90% going to retire from UAL. That happened and the rest is history.
Some things work for some people and other things work for other people.
Now to the check ride issue. I think my timing was such that they do give all new Captains a check and some people get a consolidation check as they call it. I think that is done if you were not rated on the airplane. Then Flight Operations decided that people would have a check to SFO and ANC because of the problems these two stations had. CAL has most FOQAs at SFO/ANC/HKG as you undoubtedly know since I think you are a CAL guy. Even though I went to ANC on "my own" in my former life and even one week earlier at CAL,they still insisted I be "checked". I tried to get out of it,but was told it was a CAA requirement. I do not know whether it was retroactive to the incumbent pilots. Then they rode with me to SFO which was my annual check AND the SFO check. So actually I got one LESS ride than possible. And I think I am going to be "checkless (as in check and evaluation) for one full year.
I can tell you I am checked and overchecked,but I don't make the rules. I don't think there is any pilot who loves getting checked and observed because you always have to perform at your peak. So perhaps I can just go fly a routine line trip this week.
BTW, I am 5 hours from getting off high minimums and 1 practice C2 landing from being up with the big boys. As a CAL employee ETOPS, I am sure you know that CAL requires 100 hours PIC before getting off high minimums and letting First Officers fly. CAL often uses 2 Captains on a trip and being the relief pilot does not generate PIC time. So it has taken 255 hours to get 95 PIC.
But the good news to all of this is that I am being paid and when you write a check to the bank every month for mortgages abd bills...they like that!
On your last point, I think I know what the future holds as a CAL Captain. I am prepared for anything.
Lastly, drop me an E-mail or PM so that I can know who ETOPS is and we can further discuss this over beer. I can confirm that there is still some beer and there are still ladies of the night in the ZONE in Taipei. Perhaps you could ask for an airline discount. That was current information as of last night!
ETOPS777...Had one more thought about check rides,etc.
Just for the record, I started in May and got 30 days off without pay because of slow business and SARs for June.
I had the "short course" and it has taken a long time. In fact, it took May,July,and August to complete. In fact we get (required) to go to the fire department and earthquake simulator to get the last box checked that we did not do last June because of SARs. I don't make the rules.
But the good news is that I have a HNL layover in 2 days. I think I can find the island. I did the last time with another airline!!!
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CAL is CHINA Airlines. China in this thread and the Far east. CAL is headquartered in Taipei on the free island of Taiwan not to be confused with its Northwestern neighbor!
I think in North American, CAL is Continental Airlines.
I think in North American, CAL is Continental Airlines.
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For those interested, there are just over 70 applications for DEC. Recruitment normally loses about 50% of applicants when recruiting F/O’s. Will be interesting to see what percentage of DEC’s applicants we will take. Supposedly the interview and the recruitment process will be more stringent.
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Approx 10 days ago I heard 40 applicants of which approx 10 were assessed suitable to do the Ek tests.
IF (big IF) that was the case then statistics would suggest maybe 20 suitable with 10-12 passing the tests.
Anyone know any more?
IF (big IF) that was the case then statistics would suggest maybe 20 suitable with 10-12 passing the tests.
Anyone know any more?
Have heard the interview process for DEC's will be a 5 day tea party. What the hell they do with you for 5 days is anyones guess - there are only so many "games' you can play, interviews you can take and sim rides you can do. So to get a peek in, one has to take a weeks leave to jump through the hoops - that is of course if you are employed at the time.
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The process does take 5 days. The first 3 days are the normal assessment process as if you were being assessed as a First Officer, minus the Sim Check. The fourth day is for preperation for the Sim Ride which is on the 5th day. It is a Full PC on the airplane you will be a Captain on. I have been told that the standards for passing the sim ride are very high, as they should be!
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I have been applying to EK for some time.
Finally i have an interview. I only have command time on the A320 and they said I would be interviewed for DEC.
I mentioned it to HR and they said that they are now looking at A320 time instead of widebody time due to poor turn out of applicants for DEC.
I was assuming I would be going for FO but apparently not.
Is there much info on the DEC process?
Finally i have an interview. I only have command time on the A320 and they said I would be interviewed for DEC.
I mentioned it to HR and they said that they are now looking at A320 time instead of widebody time due to poor turn out of applicants for DEC.
I was assuming I would be going for FO but apparently not.
Is there much info on the DEC process?
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laury,
Sorry I don't have any info but good luck.
I'm still amazed at the EK approach when there are F/Os with medium jet command time in the company, with PPCs and company knowledge etc etc and they will still be passed over because they don't meet the new hours requirements.
Crazy!
Sorry I don't have any info but good luck.
I'm still amazed at the EK approach when there are F/Os with medium jet command time in the company, with PPCs and company knowledge etc etc and they will still be passed over because they don't meet the new hours requirements.
Crazy!
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stormcloud I think EK took the mistaken view that they would be inundated with Captain applicants type tated on A330/340 and that it would be more difficult to replace existing F/O's if they were promoted to Captain.
It would appear that A320 Captains are now in the loop for direct commands on the basis that it is little different to A330/340.
EK also know that they can afford to upset existing F/O's who are "Captive" in EK in most cases.
Years ago you could not get a direct command in SQ unless you had 3000 hours Wide Body and International experience. B757 did not count!!!
Then along came the A340 and because the SQ terms were so poor and jobs were plentiful then SQ suddenly allowed A320 Captains who were puddle jumpers to join. This whole nonsense of "Widebody Command" was then shown up to be ridiculous.
I guess because EK have shafted their current F/O's with previous command time that applications from Captains as F/O's must now be non existent except perhaps for a few 146 drivers!!
It would appear that A320 Captains are now in the loop for direct commands on the basis that it is little different to A330/340.
EK also know that they can afford to upset existing F/O's who are "Captive" in EK in most cases.
Years ago you could not get a direct command in SQ unless you had 3000 hours Wide Body and International experience. B757 did not count!!!
Then along came the A340 and because the SQ terms were so poor and jobs were plentiful then SQ suddenly allowed A320 Captains who were puddle jumpers to join. This whole nonsense of "Widebody Command" was then shown up to be ridiculous.
I guess because EK have shafted their current F/O's with previous command time that applications from Captains as F/O's must now be non existent except perhaps for a few 146 drivers!!
