Sacky

So let's say I do pass the practical signal light test, while failing the ishihara and the general colour vision test at the optometrist, am I still eligible to get a job in aviation (for example Qantas)? Or will deuteranopia permanently prevent me from doing that despite the lack of restrictions on my license? Will I ever be able to do military aviation with that?

TelBoy

The Holmes Wright test, you sit 5 metres away from the box. It shows you two lights one above the other. They can be White, Green or Red. The lights are VERY small ( just over 1mm I think ) and they show them for 3 seconds. They do change the Hue (taking colour out is the best way for me to describe it) and it is generally the white and green we mix up. There is nothing in real life that you could compare, but try to think of looking at traffic lights at a few miles and you won't be far off. All the very best to you mate.

AMEandPPL

Was commented upon in post # 985 above. Then also re-posted the link. I presumed that the poster had deleted it; why should anyone else do so ? Relevant to the thread, and specifically mentions pilots.

Conventional medical wisdom is still that the colour vision with which you are born stays with you for life. Period.

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I don't know about anyone else but I think I'll borrow AME&PPL's HGV for collecting the salt, after reading the article from Sanjeev's Miracle Cure for CVD.

You can also rub some soggy Darjeeling tealeaves on your chin to remove unwanted facial hair (for the ladies, of course).

I am a great believer in some natural remedies and I think in the western world we put far too much faith in our 'medicinal' cures but I cannot see how this can regenerate non-existent cones.

Best check the small print (in bright green on a bright red background ) but I suspect you will have to part with a significant amount of cash before you get to that stage.

Oh, well, back to Cynics Corner.

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(Oh, I wish that I could say that the Med was that sunny!!!)

AMEandPPL

There probably isn't a way you can do that directly. Strange, when you consider all the advertising that goes on here, around the pages and also in links. But we mere plebs mustn't argue, just obey.

But brighter readers will be able to work out the proprietor's name from Hawk's post; and the subject is about an alleged cure for colour blindness. Those same brighter readers would then only need to
"Google" those terms . . . . . . and hey, presto !

Anyone who finds the site, and then wants to discuss its content in general terms - well, I can't see how Mme Moderatrix could possibly object to that. CVD, and all its ramifications for pilots is, after all, precisely what this thread is all about.

Happy googling !

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Good points.

We do need all the help we can get, especially when faced with dealing with a very small but powerful (medically speaking) group of persons who appear to be more interested in protecting their own 'empires' and furthering their own careers than they are in ensuring flight safety standards.

The unquestionable data from the USA, Canada and Australia reveals how 'dangerous' CVD pilots really are - in fact, it is quite interesting to note that each of these countries permits CVD pilots to fly commercially (in Australia, at night also) yet, statistically, over the same time period their safety records are far better than those of many other countries, including certain JAA member states.

Yet they choose to ignore that data in favour of their own very flawed, archaic and biased arguments.

Soapbox back under stone.....whoosh....gone!!!

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(Sunny today!! )

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The problem is that certain egoes and ambitions are bigger than the rights of the minority.

Why William?

We have it official in writing from Clarence House that HRH is NOT CVD. You should know by now that Royalty is exempt certain medical conditions and even if such a condition did manifest itself upon the Royal personage it would be ordered, by Royal Command, to vanquish itself onto some other lowly serf.........even if that didn't work there will always be a knighthood hungry medic somewhere willing to perjure himself for the sake of the Crown.

Oh bugger.........there goes my Knighthood, around the same U-bend as my Peerage. Will I never learn?

I just wish that one of them had the b*****ks to tell the truth. More chance knitting a suit of armour out of fog!!

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Todays METAR from the Med - Sunny and warm again!!!

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Not like you to mince your words, Shunter.

Get off the fence, for God's sake.....however, very succintly put......and damn accurate as well.

Did you know that if you rub a ripe, red tomato into your left testicle anti-clockwise whilst simultaneously stroking the right one in a clockwise direction with an under-ripe, green tomato this is an instant cure for all forms of colour blindness.......or as you may have noticed, it's all !!

inverted123

Why dont we do some investigating into this practice that have these claims of "CURE" for us CVD people, I think there are to many people out there claiming a treatment being "Corrective lenses" or other ways to treat us, these treatments may allow us to pass the ishihara tests but thats it,they certainly dont give us even close to Normal Color Vision while they line there pockets with large amounts of money at our expense.Until Authorities permit any such use they are useless to us.
( Sick of being taken for a ride)

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The whole CVD issue in CAT is a complete farce. It has been suggested that you can learn the Ishihara Plates and whilst some time back I would not have condoned this I am now of the opinion that, if the authorities wish to insist on implementing another pointless and irrelevant test then it's fair game for anyone else to use whatever means they have at their disposal to get through the medical.

Why pointless and irrelevant you may ask? Well, the UK CAA reckons the new CAD Test will permit approximately 30% of present failures to pass. Really!!! So that means that, by the waving of a magic multi-coloured wand 30% of presently UNSAFE wannabee pilots instantly become SAFE commercial pilots. There is only one way to describe this - TOTAL BO***CKS!

I know for a fact that there are individuals out there already flying commercially who have used certain means to get through the tests and I once knew a RAF FJ pilot who got through the CVD tests for aircrew selection by 'the Ways and Means Act" - well done that man - and he told me this face to face in his front room and that he was far from being alone. Then you only have to look at the miraculous recovery of our future king

It is a load of crap and the powers that be know it.

But there are individuals out there with a vested interest in the status quo and indeed the new CAD test who potentially stand to gain far too much personally, professionally, academically or even financially, for them to back down at the 11th hour and change the system, present or proposed, even though they know full well that the systems are wrong. I am sorry if this offends but my feeling is that the CAD Test is seriously flawed and is being pushed through as the result of nothing more than academic egoes. I have been made privy to certain information which I cannot repeat on these pages but it qualifies my statement perfectly.

Right, I now have to go fly eager young wannabee pilots around the skies at 150 kts +.

Soapbox away.....lift stone....under I go!!

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Jetblue190

Hey guys

I just went to get my student medical certificate. The only problem is I failed my color vision test. In order to get rid of the night flying restriction I have to either take the light gun test or any of the other tests. Im a little worried about the light gun test because you can only take it twice. If you fail both times the restriction will never be lifted. Im probably going to go with the farnsworth lantern test. Any suggestions?

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I'm presuming 'Candyland' is the USA?

TelBoy

jetblue - I cannot say about the falant as I have not taken it, but the Tower Signal Test you will get two official turns at. You are of course free to ask the tower at any time for the light signals.

The official FAA stance is that if you are undergoing pilot training AND have a limited medical they will (and need to) authorise a signal test. Most people do pass this test as most CVD poilots CAN distinguish aviation colours as used!!

If you (when you) pass the tower signal test you get a letter from the FAA which will act as your colour (color) vision test for your medical - it is called a letter of evidance. I do not know if the falant gives the same - I would sugest you phone the FAA, they are VERY helpful and from my own experiences with them, on your side.

All the best mate. I would say get that letter ASAP as it has been said that the FAA might take the new CAA CAD test as standard and that is guaranteed to F*** most of you in the free USA as it will do us here in JAA land (just like our present tests). Might seem a bit harsh, but I am English and have an FAA ticket and unrestricted medical (thanks to the Tower Signal Test), but restricted to sweet FA in my home land for no reason!!

Good flying mate - this will NOT beat you where you are.

FlyEJF

I was also told the very same thing regarding not being able to be a pilot because I was red/green colour blind. It's nonsense, the people testing you at school should be better informed. Incidentally, I have just returned from Gatwick today and I'm glad to say that I passed the Lantern test. I only needed to do the Beynes Lantern as I identified all or most of the colours correctly.

Ed

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Ed,

Please clarify whether you identified ALL or MOST of the colours correctly.

There is a significant difference.

Please use PM if you would prefer.

Cheers,

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Rasco

Hi guys!

You've heard the story... I want to fly commcercially but I have a slight color deficiency. I'm a 21 year old Swedish citizen at the moment living and working in norway. I've known since my first school medical ~10 years ago that I was "color blind".

I want a JAA and FAA class 1, of course.

My story follows...

*Oslo, Norway
Holmes Wright - I was offered a test off the record(I think).
FAIL - Failed on 3 lanterns, all being light green that I thought was white. The test was done at approx. 6 meters in a lightened room.

*Stockholm, Sweden
Went home to Sweden to do the full JAA class 1 medical, but doing the eye exam first if I'd fail.

Ishihara - FAIL- Just saw maybe 50% of the numbers.
Anomaloscope - PASS - The examiner said it was rather strange but I did match the colors within the range of passing the test.
Holmes Wright - FAIL - As I knew what went wrong in Oslo i tried to "compensate" and twist the colors I saw. This time around it went even worse. I mixed up a few of the lanterns and got even more answers wrong than last time. The test was done at maybe 5 meter in a darkened room.

Anyways, I was declared as color unsafe. The examiner was really friendly and co-operative. He said that he thought I had an unusual color deficiency but told me to think about another career. So here I am, 2 hours after the failure knowing that "my color unsafe paper" is on its way to the swedish aviation authorities. I've read a couple of really inspiring stories in this thread, Blinkz for example, and I do hope I could do the same thing.

I will in a short future do the FAA tests as I believe I have a shot at getting the FAA Class 1 and starting my career in the states. My plan was from the first start to get all my certificates in the US and then convert them to JAA when I got home. But to do so I would of course need my JAA Class 1.

As all boys with dreams I will continue my journey. But what's the next step? Trying another JAA country? After reading through this thread I have a clue about the different ways on how to get through this net. I just want to share my journey with you guys.

Thanks for this awesome source of info and inspiration!

Cheers!

/Oscar

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Rasco,

If you pass the Anomaloscope within the stated parameters then that is accepted as a pass under JARs and no other tests are required.

If you have met the pass criteria below for Nagel's Anomaloscope then you have been stiffed my friend and you need to get on to the authority asap!!

JAR–FCL 3.345 Colour perception

(See Appendix 14 to Subpart C)

(a) Normal colour perception is defined as the ability to pass Ishihara’s test or to pass Nagel’s anomaloscope as a normal trichromate (see
paragraph 1 Appendix 14 to Subpart C).


Appendix 14 to Subparts B and C

Colour perception
(See JAR–FCL 3.225 and 3.345)

1 The Ishihara test (24 plate version) is to be considered passed if the first 15 plates are identified without error, without uncertainty or hesitation (less than 3 seconds per plate). These plates shall be presented randomly. For lighting conditions see the JAA Manual of Civil Aviation Medicine.

2 Those failing the Ishihara test shall be examined either by:

(a) Anomaloscopy (Nagel or equivalent). This test is considered passed if the colour match is trichromatic and the matching range is 4 scale units or less, or by

(b) Lantern testing. This test is considered passed if the applicant passes without error a test with lanterns acceptable to the AMS such as Holmes Wright, Beynes, or Spectrolux.

[Amdt. 3, 01.06.03]

PM me your e-mail and I will send you a copy of FCL3.

Hope this helps and good luck

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Rasco

2close. Now I'm seriously confused, though excited. I'm thinking if I really did pass the anamaloscope, or if I missunderstood my examiner. I'm almost sure I passed since I think I remember him saying it was strange that I passed it. ANYHOW, I had to do the HW lantern aswell and after that he clearly stated to me that I'm color unsafe.

I'll dig into this matter right awat. Calling them right now.

Rasco

I just spoke with my examiner regarding my anamaloscopy. He told me that he just did a brief examination with the anamaloscope and not a full one. I told him that I understood what he was saying but I asked him if it was possible to hear my "score" and told him "I've heard that you should have something within 4 something-something". He answered that I was within the range, but that my score on the HW Lantern, which he said was the more imporant test, was so bad that I was nothing but color unsafe. The thing is that I didn't trust my eyes when I did the Holmes Wright lanterns. Stupid as I was, whenever I had a lantern with less hue, I within the 5 seconds tried to do the "I-know-the-for-me-almost-white-hue-should-be-light-green-but-someone-mentioned-on-PPRuNe-in-a-thread-that-white-looked-like-beige-no ****-that-is-really-white-Oscar-You-Stupid-****"-calculation. My color confidence is bad(thanks to all the people that say that I'm color blind). I should've trusted my eyes.

I didn't want to sound like I questioned the examiners competence, but he sounded a bit offended when I called him. He told me that he understood my dream of flying but that I should let this go and read medicine (I mentioned that becoming a doctor was my backup plan if I wasn't able to fly commercially).

Germany (or whatever other JAA-certified country) here I come!????
What's next...?

FlyEJF

Hi Guys,

Sorry to be a bit vague. The reason I said all or most is that I don't actually know what the pass criteria was or how many I got right. If the criteria were to pass them all then I assume that I got them all right. I guess I should have asked but all I was thinking at the time was "excellent, I’ve passed". There was one light, which I said, was orange but it was very close to a red so I wasn't sure whether I got that one right.

For those of you who don't know, the Beynes test that I did involved identifying the colour of a single lamp. The lamp was turned on for 1 sec and then off again. I had to reply within one sec and only first answers were taken. There were 5 colours - red, green, orange, blue and white. The white was more like the yellow of a light bulb.

I only took the Beynes test and found it easier than I thought it was going to be. I only fail 3 or 4 of the Ishihara plates btw.

Hope that clarifies matters.