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Help Me Please !!!
I am 39 years of age private pilot with more then 300 hours and in my last stage of instrument rating i been flying since 1999 without any issue and flying is my pasion.
This past weekend i took my sister in law my brother in law and my older son ( 7 ) for a short fly in the beautiful area of miami beach florida,
but something went terrible wrong whe i was climing for 500 feet , i feel that i was going to have a hearth atack my arm was nomnees and i am also feel like i had some change in my blood presure no one on board noticed but i inmediatly turn to the airport and call tower let them know and inmediatly landing they gave me clearence to land number 1 and while i was in down wind i feelt a lot better and i did not wanted to let my family down so i continue with our fly to another destination where i had hard land in case that something happened to me.
we flew another 45 minutes and i felt like dissenes and light head acke i decide to return and land but when i was in ground i was feeling better .
any advice please .
This past weekend i took my sister in law my brother in law and my older son ( 7 ) for a short fly in the beautiful area of miami beach florida,
but something went terrible wrong whe i was climing for 500 feet , i feel that i was going to have a hearth atack my arm was nomnees and i am also feel like i had some change in my blood presure no one on board noticed but i inmediatly turn to the airport and call tower let them know and inmediatly landing they gave me clearence to land number 1 and while i was in down wind i feelt a lot better and i did not wanted to let my family down so i continue with our fly to another destination where i had hard land in case that something happened to me.
we flew another 45 minutes and i felt like dissenes and light head acke i decide to return and land but when i was in ground i was feeling better .
any advice please .
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Well first stop is to go and get a check up with a Doctor and describe your symptoms! Your health is more important than anything else. No point in keeping quiet and keeping your licence if you drop dead!
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You should definitely ground yourself until you have been thoroughly checked out by a doctor, and until the findings have been discussed with an AME, preferably the one who issued your current pilot medical certificate.
I agree with gingernut that it does not sound as if it's cardiac; anxiety with or without hyperventilation seem likely to me. But even those can be incapacitating in the pressured environment of flight.
If I'm brutally honest, it was highly irresponsible and bad airmanship to carry on to a different destination when you had the opportunity to land more or less immediately. Just think, what if it HAD been cardiac ? ?
I agree with gingernut that it does not sound as if it's cardiac; anxiety with or without hyperventilation seem likely to me. But even those can be incapacitating in the pressured environment of flight.
If I'm brutally honest, it was highly irresponsible and bad airmanship to carry on to a different destination when you had the opportunity to land more or less immediately. Just think, what if it HAD been cardiac ? ?
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thank you for replied back to me
it is very irresponsible on my end to fly somewhere else in stead to land immediatly thank god nothing happened and i will to check my self i am a little concern to go to the doctor whom issue my medical certicate what about if there is something and revoque my certicate just the fact that there is his signature on it.
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My ex wife suffered for years with panic attacks even now after loads of treatment and coming to terms with it she still gets episodes.
The fact that the symptoms dissappear when you are again near the ground or assured of landing would indicate anxiety, panic sysmptoms which can involve all the symptoms you mention and more.
My ex often left a trolly full of groceries at the checkout but felt better when she left the store.
Next time at the store she created the symtoms even worse than before until she couldnt shop. At the worst point she retreated to the home.
Follow the advice here and make sure you are Physically ok that will settle some of the anxiety then you need to find out whats causing you so much stress and in the air is not the place to do so especially when your 7 year old son and relatives rely on you. At least fly with a qualified safety pilot or instructor for now for their sake.
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My ex wife suffered for years with panic attacks even now after loads of treatment and coming to terms with it she still gets episodes.
The fact that the symptoms dissappear when you are again near the ground or assured of landing would indicate anxiety, panic sysmptoms which can involve all the symptoms you mention and more.
My ex often left a trolly full of groceries at the checkout but felt better when she left the store.
Next time at the store she created the symtoms even worse than before until she couldnt shop. At the worst point she retreated to the home.
Follow the advice here and make sure you are Physically ok that will settle some of the anxiety then you need to find out whats causing you so much stress and in the air is not the place to do so especially when your 7 year old son and relatives rely on you. At least fly with a qualified safety pilot or instructor for now for their sake.
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i am a little concern to go to the doctor whom issue my medical certicate what about if there is something and revoque my certicate just the fact that there is his signature on it.
Get the problem seen to and resolved or treated. In point of fact the medical is effectively invalid if you fly whilst knowing you have a medical condition that would otherwise prevent you from holding the certificate.
Hope it gets sorted out for you soon.
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There are some good replies here, very good replies, and I'm sorry to be the unsympathetic voice here but what sort of irresponsible pilot asks advice on a website about a medical condition that affects the lives of passengers, and your son on an aircraft and whoever he may kill when the aircraft hits the ground?
Do you not think you should have gone and seen a doctor as soon as possible?
I'm absolutely horrified that you have posted a thread called "help Please!" on PPRune about something so very very serious as this; the course of action that you are expected to take is obvious in this case, go see a doctor.
I appreciate that aviation is a passion for most of us, but the professional, aspect of aviation is to know your limits, when to seek authoritative, qualified help and not to endanger the lives of others.
I am horrified beyond belief that you think asking for help here and not "poping off to see a doctor" is acceptable.
I really hope you get yourself off to a doctor & stop flying immediately before you kill someone.
Do you not think you should have gone and seen a doctor as soon as possible?
I'm absolutely horrified that you have posted a thread called "help Please!" on PPRune about something so very very serious as this; the course of action that you are expected to take is obvious in this case, go see a doctor.
I appreciate that aviation is a passion for most of us, but the professional, aspect of aviation is to know your limits, when to seek authoritative, qualified help and not to endanger the lives of others.
I am horrified beyond belief that you think asking for help here and not "poping off to see a doctor" is acceptable.
I really hope you get yourself off to a doctor & stop flying immediately before you kill someone.
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In point of fact the medical is effectively invalid if you fly whilst knowing you have a medical condition that would otherwise prevent you from holding the certificate
At the end of the day, this boils down to a quality that every single aviator should have, "AIRMANSHIP". Unfortunately, not all do, as this thread clearly shows.
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. You should be aware that in these circumstances any insurance would also be totally invalidated,
He is not using his name in this forum. From what he says he has a clean medical with no history.
This event he has kept secret stating that not even his family were aware of a problem.
Further he states that he is scared of going to an AME because then it does become record and his licence would be in jeopordy.
Should something awful happen no one would be the wiser so why would the insurance not pay out. Only he knows his secret and dead he would not be around to tell. Presuming he is Physically fit and this is a stress thing then nothing would show up on an autopsy either.
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Before we get too carried away here, it is worth remembering that the author has come on here anonymously to ask for help in relation to a problem he has recently experienced. He has already stated without ambiguity that his action on the day was irresponsible and all credit to him for that. I suspect that he already knows the appropriate course of action, but is seeking reassurance and support.
Clearly the only proper advice can be given in a direct meeting with a doctor, who can then refer the matter as he or she sees fit. However it is worth using this thread to underline the point, that many if not most of us, and men in particular, are very adept at cloaking ourselves in denial even when we know there is a problem. As such, I really don't think "airmanship" and the like really comes into it. Nor is it a reason to be particularly "horrified."
As an industry, we encourage and advocate people to let others learn and sometimes help from the mistakes or experiences that otherwise would simply go unreported. This poster is effectively using this media to do both that, and seek advice and reassurance.
I have no doubt that the poster would never have intentionaly placed his 7 year old son, and other close family members in any form of jeopardy knowingly. He made a decision, that with the benefit of hindsight he knew to be wrong. Who amongst us hasn't done that? He has come on here asking for advice, not criticism.
Clearly the only proper advice can be given in a direct meeting with a doctor, who can then refer the matter as he or she sees fit. However it is worth using this thread to underline the point, that many if not most of us, and men in particular, are very adept at cloaking ourselves in denial even when we know there is a problem. As such, I really don't think "airmanship" and the like really comes into it. Nor is it a reason to be particularly "horrified."
As an industry, we encourage and advocate people to let others learn and sometimes help from the mistakes or experiences that otherwise would simply go unreported. This poster is effectively using this media to do both that, and seek advice and reassurance.
I have no doubt that the poster would never have intentionaly placed his 7 year old son, and other close family members in any form of jeopardy knowingly. He made a decision, that with the benefit of hindsight he knew to be wrong. Who amongst us hasn't done that? He has come on here asking for advice, not criticism.
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Bealzebub,
the understanding and eloquence of your point above are to be commend and I believe that there is merit in most of what you say, I do however disagree that effective use of the internet as a medium for seeking support on an issue such as this is wholly inappropriate.
I would also like to suggest that Carlin perhaps rented his aircraft for a flying school? I guess they would be ever-so happy to know a client has had a medical scare and hasn't seen a doctor, but hey he asked advice on a web-site...
The passion and desire to fly is one that is shared industry wide, but it is never acceptable for a single persons desire to fly to endanger others.
Calins incident may indeed be nothing and it doesn't reoccur, great for everyone.
What if he has a medical problem? From the use of language, inflection and tone of Calin's post, the fact he is 39 in Miami, has made other posts that wouldn't make it too hard to identify him... how if he does have an accident, even if he doesnt kill himself or anyone else, how as a proffessional group can anyone defend him asking for help here regardless of any remorse shown for his actions rather than going streight to a doctor? and what do we say as a proffessional industry when the press track him down and cross reference him to this thread, what do we say...
the understanding and eloquence of your point above are to be commend and I believe that there is merit in most of what you say, I do however disagree that effective use of the internet as a medium for seeking support on an issue such as this is wholly inappropriate.
I would also like to suggest that Carlin perhaps rented his aircraft for a flying school? I guess they would be ever-so happy to know a client has had a medical scare and hasn't seen a doctor, but hey he asked advice on a web-site...
The passion and desire to fly is one that is shared industry wide, but it is never acceptable for a single persons desire to fly to endanger others.
Calins incident may indeed be nothing and it doesn't reoccur, great for everyone.
What if he has a medical problem? From the use of language, inflection and tone of Calin's post, the fact he is 39 in Miami, has made other posts that wouldn't make it too hard to identify him... how if he does have an accident, even if he doesnt kill himself or anyone else, how as a proffessional group can anyone defend him asking for help here regardless of any remorse shown for his actions rather than going streight to a doctor? and what do we say as a proffessional industry when the press track him down and cross reference him to this thread, what do we say...
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I think that "go and see a doctor" has pretty much been encapsulated in every reply given here. The poster didn't imply he was intending not to. I doubt the flying school who rented the aircraft are any wiser than the car hire company who rents a vehicle to somebody with chest pains. This chap had an event where he sensibly made the decision to land as soon as possible. He subsequently felt better and perhaps unwisely with the benefit of hindsight, decided to continue with his flight. He recognises the point and has expressed concerns and asked for advice and support here. Better here than nowhere, and most of that advice seems to reiterate the sensible and obvious course of action.
I am not sure what you mean about the press tracking him down from this website? I think you will find they are all otherwise engaged, being parked on the doorsteps of a few people with the sniffles, clutching a packet of tamiflu, who might or might not have been near anyone who has been on holiday in Mexico recently.
As I suggested, better to offer sound advice, rather than get breathlessly carried away. Too much of that going on already.
I am not sure what you mean about the press tracking him down from this website? I think you will find they are all otherwise engaged, being parked on the doorsteps of a few people with the sniffles, clutching a packet of tamiflu, who might or might not have been near anyone who has been on holiday in Mexico recently.
As I suggested, better to offer sound advice, rather than get breathlessly carried away. Too much of that going on already.
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Carlin, hope you got something out of this thread. There has been some very insightful and knowledgable responses.
Nevertheless, regardless of whether your symptoms are of psychological origin as some have suggested; they have the same physiological effect and equally disabling as any obvious medical condition.
You need to be commended for posting your concerns and asking for suggestions. It isn't easy to go public, most wouldn't dare because of the inevitable pontificators that would be attracted to your thread.
Please feel free to start a new thread when you have your medical results and outcome.
In the meantime, thank you to all who responded. Thread closed.
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Nevertheless, regardless of whether your symptoms are of psychological origin as some have suggested; they have the same physiological effect and equally disabling as any obvious medical condition.
You need to be commended for posting your concerns and asking for suggestions. It isn't easy to go public, most wouldn't dare because of the inevitable pontificators that would be attracted to your thread.
Please feel free to start a new thread when you have your medical results and outcome.
In the meantime, thank you to all who responded. Thread closed.
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