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VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)

Old 28th Jun 2006, 22:48
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Hi there

From what I have learnt from these pages, I think you will need a UK class one anyway, so I think you are best off trying at Gatwick first, and then if you fail that then try in another country, because you will have to convert it back to a UK one anyway, so from what I understand you have nothing to lose by going to Gatwick first. I stand to be corrected, but I don't think you should have too much trouble converting from say a French or German class one to a UK one.

What's more, you could go to City University in London for a thorough colour vision test using lanterns that I think are used at Gatwick, because it may be helpfull to get accustomed to the procedures to prepare for the real thing, experiencing the different shades of light.

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Old 29th Jun 2006, 20:16
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Navy Pilot Wannabee

Hi,
I have been interested in becoming a pilot in the RN for a very long time. Yesterday I went to the opticians and was horrified when I saw some number on my feedback sheet. To be honest I am not sure what it means. This is what it said: Right Sph : +0.25 Left Sph: +0.25
(the rest of the things Cyl Axis Prism Base were all 0.
I don't wear/need glasses or anything like that. I think it means i am slightly short sighted, does this mean I cannot become an RN pilot? Does anybody know the cut-off boundaries. Does anybody know the cut-off boundaries for Observer also? Many Thanks.
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Old 30th Jun 2006, 13:28
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trying at Gatwick first, and then if you fail that then try in another country

I suspect that if you fail the tests at Gatwick then even if you pass in another state you will have a difficult job convincing CAA that they are valid enough to overturn the CAA results.

Worth bearing in mind when you plan your test "strategy"

Much easier to take test abroad and then approach Gatwick if positive and ask for recognition of passed medical.
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Old 2nd Jul 2006, 17:58
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Originally Posted by unfazed
trying at Gatwick first, and then if you fail that then try in another country
I suspect that if you fail the tests at Gatwick then even if you pass in another state you will have a difficult job convincing CAA that they are valid enough to overturn the CAA results.
Worth bearing in mind when you plan your test "strategy"
Much easier to take test abroad and then approach Gatwick if positive and ask for recognition of passed medical.
My experience of this was that the CAA docs positively enouraged me to go abroad and do the tests there!
One senior, very senior , doc said that he did not believe in CVD restrictions and could see no point for them in today's world...he did add 'don't quote me' but it shows what a farce it is!
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Originally Posted by gijoe
My experience of this was that the CAA docs positively enouraged me to go abroad and do the tests there!
One senior, very senior , doc said that he did not believe in CVD restrictions and could see no point for them in today's world...he did add 'don't quote me' but it shows what a farce it is!
in responce to your post i write:

Hello my name is Oliver Tomsett, I am currently under going training for my private pilots license, with the further intention of becoming an airline pilot. The other week I attended my class 2 medical which I passed with flying colours until I was tested for my colour vision, (using the ishihara plates) I failed miserberly, the examiner said I would never make it as an airline pilot now the stupid thing is that when sat in a cockpit i can read off all the colours to my instructor and can tell him the colour of the landing lights on the runway. This remark moved me, I am not about to let my dream die, so I set about researching the topic, were I found that the civil aviation authority was willing to test such candidates using the beyne lantern and the Holmes Wright lantern examinations. So I booked an appointment at Gatwick to have one. When I arrived I was extremely nervous; so apparent I was shaking, but I took the beyne lantern and only failed by, what the examiner said was marginal. Then I was tested on the Holmes Wright lantern I failed on the first set of lights, Any way I have been deemed by the CAA as colour unsafe. after reading your post about CAA doctors i wonder if you could supply infomation on the mentioned, as the only other option given to me by the CAA is a tribuneral.
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Old 4th Jul 2006, 19:26
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Oliver,

Go to any of the fully-fledged JAA countries - make sure they are fully fledged - and take a Class 1 medical there. Come back to the UK and request that the CAA grant you a JAA medical on the basis of the Class 1 obtained in another JAA state.

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but then what would happen if i failed in another counry? the caa said strictly that i was not to take another lantern examination, and stated that i have to prove that i am not colour blind by another form eg, a specialist argueing my case if i am ok,

Oliver
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OLLIE098

The CAA re intransigent Ba$s%a$S when it comes to this subject so save your time and money, you will get more success from banging your head against a brick wall.

The only thing that they would take seriously is a legal challenge but that would take money, lots of it.

e.g. If I am unsafe for night flying how come you have restricted me to no passenger transport at all (even by day ?), why UK aircraft only, why UK airspace only ?

Answer - Because we are a bunch of arrogant, ignorant and very vindictive Tossers !

Sorry if this offends anyone but hey it's the truth !
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Opinion then seems to be divided, so I am now unsure whether to go to the CAA first or to some other JAA country.

Has anyone actually failed at Gatwick, then subsequently passed in another JAA country and been issued a full class 1 CAA medical as a result?

If so, were there any problems in obtaining the CAA class 1 when presenting the JAA medical from another country?

I was under the impression that the CAA was bound by law to accept a JAA medical and exchange it for a CAA one - is this or is it not true?

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Originally Posted by unfazed
OLLIE098

The CAA re intransigent Ba$s%a$£S when it comes to this subject so save your time and money, you will get more success from banging your head against a brick wall.

The only thing that they would take seriously is a legal challenge but that would take money, lots of it.

e.g. If I am unsafe for night flying how come you have restricted me to no passenger transport at all (even by day ?), why UK aircraft only, why UK airspace only ?

Answer - Because we are a bunch of arrogant, ignorant and very vindictive Tossers !

Sorry if this offends anyone but hey it's the truth !
i agree with what your saying it seems if they are campaining against aviation (campaign against aviation) but i was told i cannot fy outside uk airspace but it was not written on my medical all that was was flights by day only so surely they cannot stop me from flying outside it because theirs no such restrictions imposed on my medical, any i may go to a specalist and get their oppion and all being well get a tribunal, sounds silly but their was a guy at the club who was in the same postion, and he took the tribunal option and won although this was in nz

thanks agen

oliver

explain how we are arogent or even vindictive, all we want to do is fly, our well beings our childhood dreams,
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Old 6th Jul 2006, 13:41
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Answer - Because we are a bunch of arrogant, ignorant and very vindictive Tossers !

Oh Dear ! look what happens when you put the wrong word in a sentence

Should read THEY not WE

Hope that makes more sense !!!!!
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Bump for this - going for my medical soon and I need to know - if I go to Gatwick and fail on CVD will I be able to subsequently pass in another JAA country then get it converted to a CAA medical despite my previous CAA medical failure? Advice only from those who have actually done this or personally know someone who has please.

thanks.

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Opinion then seems to be divided, so I am now unsure whether to go to the CAA first or to some other JAA country.

Has anyone actually failed at Gatwick, then subsequently passed in another JAA country and been issued a full class 1 CAA medical as a result?

If so, were there any problems in obtaining the CAA class 1 when presenting the JAA medical from another country?

I was under the impression that the CAA was bound by law to accept a JAA medical and exchange it for a CAA one - is this or is it not true?

Flash
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Old 7th Jul 2006, 02:26
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Vision requirements

Can anyone tell me if my eyesight is likely to result in me being required to wear glasses to fly, my prescription is:

L:
-0.50 sph
-0.25 cyl
90 axis

R:
-0.75 sph
-0.25 cyl
65 axis

I ask only because I actually don't like wearing glasses, and only do so when absolutely necessary. For example, I consider my eyes perfectly good for driving without glasses so rarely wear them. If I'm going to have to wear corrective lenses to fly I might look into contacts - are these acceptable in the same way as glasses for a medical?

Thanks.

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Old 8th Jul 2006, 14:47
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Originally Posted by Lord Flashart
Bump for this - going for my medical soon and I need to know - if I go to Gatwick and fail on CVD will I be able to subsequently pass in another JAA country then get it converted to a CAA medical despite my previous CAA medical failure? Advice only from those who have actually done this or personally know someone who has please.
thanks.
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Yes - as posted above if you fail at the CAA they will advise you to do this. The reason is because there is no set protocol for all of the JAA countries to follow.
Taking an objective view about this, the CAA is being quite helpful here and calling them To**ers is not going to help anyone.
If you can prove that you passed all of the requirements for a Class 1 Medical in another fully fledged, note, JAA country then the CAA will grant you a Class 1 to train in the UK.
An interesting link methinks:
http://drc-gb.org/library/ask_drc/qu...e_a_pilot.aspx
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Old 8th Jul 2006, 21:35
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Female

Originally Posted by benwizz
Here is the link to the colour vision testing clinic at the City University in London: http://www.city.ac.uk/optometry/html/colour_vision.html
I thought that colourvision was purely a male thing
Its not a purely male thing but much less common in females. Basically the 'anormaly' is carried on the X chromosome. Women have two of those (males just one) so the 'anormaly' has to appear on both for the problem to show up and therefore less likely to occur.
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Old 8th Jul 2006, 23:19
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Its not a purely male thing but much less common in females. Basically the 'anormaly' is carried on the X chromosome. Women have two of those (males just one) so the 'anormaly' has to appear on both for the problem to show up and therefore less likely to occur.
Now if there was ever a reason to want to be a Woman!
 
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GIJoe,

Thanks for that. I just wondered if, since the advice was unofficial, there may be problems/objections down the line. I have been "lanterned" before as a child and tested as normal, although I never could do the ishihara plates. I suspect I'll go through OK at gatwick, but it's nice to know if I don't there are other options.

thanks.

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Yes - as posted above if you fail at the CAA they will advise you to do this. The reason is because there is no set protocol for all of the JAA countries to follow.
Taking an objective view about this, the CAA is being quite helpful here and calling them To**ers is not going to help anyone.
If you can prove that you passed all of the requirements for a Class 1 Medical in another fully fledged, note, JAA country then the CAA will grant you a Class 1 to train in the UK.
An interesting link methinks:
http://drc-gb.org/library/ask_drc/qu...e_a_pilot.aspx
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GIJOE

Yes - as posted above if you fail at the CAA they will advise you to do this. The reason is because there is no set protocol for all of the JAA countries to follow.
Taking an objective view about this, the CAA is being quite helpful here and calling them To**ers is not going to help anyone.


And this is factual then is it GIJOE ? You have done this i.e. failed at Gatwick and then on their advice gone elsewhere to pass the same or a similar test - got a pass and then converted back to CAA - All without any problems at all ??? If you have then I will be very impressed !

Unfortunately I will still call them a bunch of To$rs because if true it is an absolute nonsense that they are advising their own pilots to go abroad because to get fair treatment !
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Ishihara Test

I've been through the Ishihara test a few times but having a go at

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/teares/gktvc/vc...htm#Background

was interesting, since the answers and their 'meanings' are given. I found that on some plates I got the red/green answer, on others I got the 'normal' answer, some I got nothing and on a few I saw part of the normal answer. I guess this means the test is not sensitive enough...as you guys have basically been saying.

Also I notice that at college, when they use green pen on the white board, I struggle to see whats going on...until I put my glasses on ( a really mild prescription..basically the only time I wear them). I have no problem once I have my glasses on.

The point I finally getting to is that when I did fail a lantern test (I was border line) I did not wear glasses at all. I had a prescription from a previous eye test but didn't need glass..didn't get a set.

May be for someone who is borderline...try glasses first! A slightly sharper image might be all you really need.
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Originally Posted by unfazed
GIJOE
Yes - as posted above if you fail at the CAA they will advise you to do this. The reason is because there is no set protocol for all of the JAA countries to follow.
Taking an objective view about this, the CAA is being quite helpful here and calling them To**ers is not going to help anyone.

And this is factual then is it GIJOE ? You have done this i.e. failed at Gatwick and then on their advice gone elsewhere to pass the same or a similar test - got a pass and then converted back to CAA - All without any problems at all ??? If you have then I will be very impressed !
Unfortunately I will still call them a bunch of To$rs because if true it is an absolute nonsense that they are advising their own pilots to go abroad because to get fair treatment !
Very much so and I'm not the only one.
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