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Hi Ruffino..

The initial Doc failed me with the colour lantern test due to my mild CVD. I went to try another test somewhere else (JAA) because I am already a Pilot with an FAA CPL and an FAA 1st class unrestricted since 1990, so I thought that I should give it another try somewhere else.. Besides, I was never happy on how they managed my case (I felt discriminated!! - like if a had a contagious disease!!).. Why the **** I cannot fly in my country or in any other EU-JAA state?.. Yes, I am CVD, so? What are the lanterns for? I am already flying.. Isn´t it silly that I can come to every EU-JAA state with an FAA resgistered B747?? Who is that Doc to tell me that I can not fly anymore??

Fortunately the JAA rules gives some choices about acceptable colour lanterns types (it says that you can pass "ONE" of the lanterns and you can be considered "safe" (shopping around?? or fair options-chances?).. Does JAR´s says that if you have a medical denied you can never ever try again or that you can not go to other JAA country??

Due to all mentioned above and similar cases posted here in PPRUNE (thanks guys!!) I decided to try somewhere else and I finally end up passing the test with "flying colours"!!. Why the ***^ they (my country) are not accepting-recognicing my new unrestricted JAA 1st Class Medical Certificate?? it is all JAA and I can use it all over the EU, around my country too !! !!?¿? Are they upset because I finally got it?

All they are holding to is that I didn´t mention in my new initial medical application form that I had a denial before, that´s what I call b*****t..
Like I posted here before, I´ve talked personally to my new Doc and he told me that he knew that I had a CVD problem (I told him when I did my appointment) and that I shouldn´t worry about ticking yes or no in the ******* box, he told me that he treated me as a new candidate with a CVD problem, that´s what I call fair, impartial!!.. And just in case, I also gave him a written letter requesting ammendment of my "ticking" mistake because I know that they (my country) will try to take the medical off me for sure. The "ticking" it is only an excuse as any other that they will look for..

Regards..

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Pigsfly.. thanks!! I´ll check for Homer more often!!

Bealzebub.. thanks for your post and nope, I never liked the results. At the above post you´ll find many reasons why, I have some more if you want.
Looking for the result that I want? no!! the one´s that I deserve and not only the results but the treatment!! (forum shopping? can I shop here?)..
What I do expect from the initial authority? to know and comply the JAA-JAR´s and off course accept my medical certificate and the reality that I am already a pilot..

The Doc that denied my first initial medical doesn´t even knows that other lanterns exists until I showed him, they don´t even have an advance "practical" medical training (I personally asked him), as required by our beloved JAA-JAR´s..
I know a lot about my country and about the "civil servants" here, they love to play God.. How can that person tells me that I can not fly due to my CVD when he doesn´t even know nothing about all these? If somebody comes here and demostrates and convinces me that I shouldn´t be flying I´ll pay him!!.. but guess what? the real situation is that I can demostrate right the opposite!! do they let you do that? Why not?

Irrelevant that we (CVD - already pilots) really knows if we are safe or not?!!.. irrelevant? do you think that I´ll be flying around if I wouldn´t differentiate any of the colours that we see and use while flying!!! Does anybody knows how many CVD Pilot´s are flying under FAA alone?

I´ve been in an A320 cockpit many times (glass cockpit ), for the whole part of the flight, with a captain that knew my "colour defficiency", and guess what he said after several flights practicing around with the colours?..

I know that I can use my new JAA medical for flying all over EU but what if they (my country) try to get my medical suspended or even worse, revoked by the JAA? that´s what I´m worried about and that´s my question here.. Can they do that? Why they don´t just accept it and recognized that I passed one of the ****** lanterns with a JAA recognized AMC, that I now have been considered "safe" by a JAA AMC/AMS!!

Well, I guess that´s enough for now, sorry for the lengthy post!! and yes I am an architect, of my life, my only misfortune is to stumble with intransigent people, not ready for a change and not prepared enough to make decisions, decisions that affects other´s people lives. Simply, not fair!!

Regards..

steelegbr

FAA tests were taken in Glasgow by a qualified AME less than a week ago. For the colour vision he opened the book and went through the first few plates then a couple of random ones. He didn't mention failing any and just sayed "you passed, no problems".

I sat the JAA (CAA) exam at Gatwick in june. They put me through the plates where I failed 7. They then put me through the signal tests. (In light and dark). I failed but they would not say how badly. They will not send the results out to me... I wanted to try my local optician to see how the results compared but they won't test me without knowing the CAA requirements...

Hope that helps you out... Just post back if you want more info.

Is there any way getting gatwick to accept the FAA results or even allow a retest based on it?

DJED

Hey everybody, am relatively new to this whole forum, but i, like many others on here, am red/green defective. firstly i would ilke to say thanks for everyone who has posted on this thread as it has helped me a lot in figuring this whole colourblindness and flying thing out. Now my question is this: how many colourblind people are actually professional pilots, be it in england, USA austrailia or wherever, flying commercially for airlines?

Thanks for everyones time

gijoe

Kansai,

Generally the standard is the same except that an ATCO medical is a CAA medical rather than one to JAA standards.

THe argument gets a little more difficult here as there is probably moer reason to insist that an ATCO does not possess a colour deficiency as they have to make decisions based on the colour of lights on the ground and in the air and upon colour displays in front of them. They do not have much of the technology, such as TCAS, that is being used in the arguement against the flight crew standard.

Why don't you give NATS a bell?

G

2close

No, it didn't. What it did identify was that every single system on board the respective aircraft was not only dependent on colour but also used audio and lighting as references. In the vast majority of cases the QinetiQ report showed that colour was far from being important.

However, unbelievably, the CAA state that as the report is discussing colour vision this is the only criteria they are considering. Uncanny!

I was quite gobsmacked when I read their analysis (or rather disregard) of the QinetiQ research.

Very biased, I felt, but please read both parts (I suggest you read Part 2 first - that is very encouraging - then read Part 1 for some first class disillusionment).

Please make up your own minds.

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2close

Beynes is Red, Green, White, Amber, Blue.

H-W is White, 2 x Reds, 2 x Greens, each a slightly different hue to the other.

It is the pale green and pale red that people often confuse with the white.

HTH

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Pace

If you are going for a Job reading numbers in a colour card book then those books are relevant.

I have a tiny problem with colour which has never restricted my medical until I had to wear specs for reading. My long distance still being excellent.

Not liking wearing specs I had them tinted to look like sun glasses. I could hardly read a thing.
The Docter insisted I use the glasses to read the book regardless of the tinting and made me have a lantern test which I passed 100% with clear glasses.

It is pretty obvious to anyone that the person with the best colour vision in the world is going to see green if he looks through yellow glasses at blue etc etc etc with other shades of colours

Maybe the use of sunglasses should be banned?

Just a warning to people who use glasses and have them tinted.

kansai

Thanks for the advice Joe.

Will give the folks in the know a call.

Cheers.

Kaijakk

Hi all fellow CVDs
I remember reading about Colormax Color Vision Correction lenses a few years back.What ever happened to these?have the FAA/CAA looked into this?


One would get a bit frustrated if the answer is in these lenses and they are not certified because of some bureaucratic mambo-jambo....


Rgds

Night-Hawk

Hello,

I'm trying to get a Class 1 medical in Canada but I'm color blind.(red/green problem) I can't see a thing in in the Ishira plates nor can I complete the Farnsworth D15 test. I'm trying to get to do the Beyne Lantern test but I'm a bit worried. Does transport canada do that test ? Anyone with color problems got their class 1 medical in canada ? Does anyone know of a place where I can purchase or try a Beyne lantern to see what it's like ?

I'd really like your advice guys. I'm worried I won't be able to get the C1 medical because of that stupid eye problem. That would suck because being a pilot is what I want to do since I'm like 6 year old.

Thanks !

FAA fit / JAR unfit

Hi 2close.. can u provide the link to this FAA announcement? I canīt find it..

Thanks..

unfazed

Looks like CAA might be waking up from a long sleep and finally revamping their COLOUR VISION TESTS

See following link for news article on new tests from next year 2007
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...ot+vision.html

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Apologies for the misinformation, troops.

The statement is on the AOPA US members page but on re-reading it there is an anomaly as it states:

"The best option for many pilots is to pass one of the FAA-approved alternative pseudoisochromatic tests. The attached sheet from the Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners lists the optional tests and requirements for satisfactory completion based upon the class of medical applied for. (Important note: The FAA no longer accepts The Farnsworth Lantern D15.) You can see the eye care specialist of your choice for the tests. It may take a few phone calls to locate the test you want to take. Ask the doctor to report the type of test and the results on office letterhead. Make a copy of the letter for your records and send the results to the FAA."

However, the Farnsworth D15 and Lantern Tests are two different tests and another article I have read suggests the D15 is not up to the job.

The FAA still states that the Farnsworth Lantern Test IS an acceptable alternative but it makes no mention of the D15 so I would tend to believe that the D15 is the test that has been withdrawn and NOT the Lantern.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...ch/item52/amd/

Again, apologies for any confusion and hope this clears that up.

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grob103

Five or six years ago I went to City Uni for an assessment after failing my Class 1; I can't recommend them enough.

Do you know if they're still looking for volunteers? I work just around the corner, and I have very slight protanopia, sufficiently slight that the only thing I've ever confused is the white and red lights on the Holmes-Wright lantern!

Cheers,

grob

ACIDO

What about orthokeratology?
Do you know if this could be used to reach JAR initial medical requirements?

Thanx

Bye

ACIDO

Bad medicine

Hi ACIDO,

Try a quick search, like this one:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/search.php?searchid=539588

ACIDO

Hi Bad medicine, that link doesn't give any result!
Anyway I had just tried to make a search. but I did found nothing.

Bye

ACIDO

brisdude

Hey all just a quick question i thought i better throw out.

Im living in australia and have a class 1 med but im also colourblind. i passed the "latern test" but im concerned that i may have fluked it because i have no hope on the ishaira(?) test which i failed, luckily the ishaira test doesnt count apparently. Just thought i'd ask, how often does a pilot have colourblind testing?
If you pass does that mean it wont happen again because theres nothing on my licence or medical that mentions it. Also are you tested as part of a flight screening? My father has been working for the same airline for 20 years and he has no idea about any overseas limitations.

Also im apparently eligible for a irish passport and was planning on heading over looking for a job after i finish my training, is this avenue now closed because of my colour vision? ive never had any "real world" issues with it when im flying.

any advice is very appreciated!

CVD

Can you provide links to the Qinetiq report and the CAA response-I've had aquick lookbut can't find them
Thanks