VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)
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OK then I am as amazed as you were in your previous post. I will now try to determine what alternative tests there are with a view to getting a pass elsewhere and asking CAA to accept them.
Thanks for the update on this situation !
OK then I am as amazed as you were in your previous post. I will now try to determine what alternative tests there are with a view to getting a pass elsewhere and asking CAA to accept them.
Thanks for the update on this situation !
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What country did you go to ? what alternative test did you pass ?
I have spoken with medical doctor in Holland who advises that tests are the same as CAA so I am at a loss as to what test to try and in what country.
What country did you go to ? what alternative test did you pass ?
I have spoken with medical doctor in Holland who advises that tests are the same as CAA so I am at a loss as to what test to try and in what country.
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Unfazed,
I can't answer your main question (how are the tests different) although I do know that different JAA countries do have different tests, hopefully someone else who's been though it all will reply with the specifics. What I will say is it may even be worth your while re-trying the same tests - for example, even with the ishihara plates my results differ from one day to another, presumably due to different lighting conditions / monitors etc. One thing to note on the ishihara test is that for it to be fair the lighting conditions must be very specific to give you the best chance of passing, but in the end the ishihara is only a screening test and the real test is the 2nd stage (lantern) of which there are several different types.
I can't answer your main question (how are the tests different) although I do know that different JAA countries do have different tests, hopefully someone else who's been though it all will reply with the specifics. What I will say is it may even be worth your while re-trying the same tests - for example, even with the ishihara plates my results differ from one day to another, presumably due to different lighting conditions / monitors etc. One thing to note on the ishihara test is that for it to be fair the lighting conditions must be very specific to give you the best chance of passing, but in the end the ishihara is only a screening test and the real test is the 2nd stage (lantern) of which there are several different types.
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GIJOE
What country did you go to ? what alternative test did you pass ?
I have spoken with medical doctor in Holland who advises that tests are the same as CAA so I am at a loss as to what test to try and in what country.
What country did you go to ? what alternative test did you pass ?
I have spoken with medical doctor in Holland who advises that tests are the same as CAA so I am at a loss as to what test to try and in what country.
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Hi everybody,
on landings.com, i found out that FAA 1st and 2nd medical req. are
minus or plus 5 Diopters. So, what are the actual FAA uncorrected, or diopter req. for 1st, and 2nd med. class?
P.S What about astigmatism?
on landings.com, i found out that FAA 1st and 2nd medical req. are
minus or plus 5 Diopters. So, what are the actual FAA uncorrected, or diopter req. for 1st, and 2nd med. class?
P.S What about astigmatism?
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unfazed,
What has been said is all true. I'm pretty sure I set the precident for this. I went to the CAA a couple of years ago and failed the lantern tests, altho only slightly. I said that the white on the Beyne lantern was yellow, since it is a baige colour. I thought this was pretty unfair and so looked at different ways to continue my fight. I heard about the German AMC here on pprune and the fact that they have a slightly different protocol for their beyne lantern tests. They show you each colour first and tell you what it is, they then show you all the colours randomly and you have to say what they are. I passed this test. I then returned to the UK who then turned around and said that they would not accept the lantern test as it was done in a different protocol to their own. After a number of letters to the chief medical officer the CAA agreed that they would accept a full German Class 1 medical and convert that to a UK medical as they normally do. I then returned to Germany, passed the full class 1 medical and the CAA converted it just like they said they would. As has been said it looks like the CAA are now actually advising people who fail the lantern tests to do this. This doesn't surprise me as I've heard a number of the doctors at the CAA think that colourvision testing is pointless, so they do their best to help you. Make sure you keep trying, I now have a full CAA class 1 medical and am going to be taking my CPL test soon! Good luck to you all.
What has been said is all true. I'm pretty sure I set the precident for this. I went to the CAA a couple of years ago and failed the lantern tests, altho only slightly. I said that the white on the Beyne lantern was yellow, since it is a baige colour. I thought this was pretty unfair and so looked at different ways to continue my fight. I heard about the German AMC here on pprune and the fact that they have a slightly different protocol for their beyne lantern tests. They show you each colour first and tell you what it is, they then show you all the colours randomly and you have to say what they are. I passed this test. I then returned to the UK who then turned around and said that they would not accept the lantern test as it was done in a different protocol to their own. After a number of letters to the chief medical officer the CAA agreed that they would accept a full German Class 1 medical and convert that to a UK medical as they normally do. I then returned to Germany, passed the full class 1 medical and the CAA converted it just like they said they would. As has been said it looks like the CAA are now actually advising people who fail the lantern tests to do this. This doesn't surprise me as I've heard a number of the doctors at the CAA think that colourvision testing is pointless, so they do their best to help you. Make sure you keep trying, I now have a full CAA class 1 medical and am going to be taking my CPL test soon! Good luck to you all.
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Hi guys,
I went for a class 1 medical renewal yesterday and everything is ok except my eyes. From my last medical my vison has dropped slightly and the AME recommended i get a eye exam. I got one today and it confirms i need glasses. I still can't believe it! but ok.
My AME will review the results next wednesday (i'll be so nervous for the best part of a week) but the optician stated that i will be fine. I am a little nervous and in need of some reassurance that everything will be ok. My n14 and n5 is perfect. My vital stats are:
Uncorrected ,Corrected
right 6/12, 6/5
left 6/12, 6/5
Binocular 6/11, 6/4
unifocal (s/v distance recommended)
Sphere, Cylinder, Axis, Near (add)
right -0.25, -0.75, 90, n/a
left -0.25, -0.50, 25, n/a
Please reassure me everything is ok
Kind Regards
+Truth747 (nervous as hell)
I went for a class 1 medical renewal yesterday and everything is ok except my eyes. From my last medical my vison has dropped slightly and the AME recommended i get a eye exam. I got one today and it confirms i need glasses. I still can't believe it! but ok.
My AME will review the results next wednesday (i'll be so nervous for the best part of a week) but the optician stated that i will be fine. I am a little nervous and in need of some reassurance that everything will be ok. My n14 and n5 is perfect. My vital stats are:
Uncorrected ,Corrected
right 6/12, 6/5
left 6/12, 6/5
Binocular 6/11, 6/4
unifocal (s/v distance recommended)
Sphere, Cylinder, Axis, Near (add)
right -0.25, -0.75, 90, n/a
left -0.25, -0.50, 25, n/a
Please reassure me everything is ok
Kind Regards
+Truth747 (nervous as hell)
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Originally Posted by unfazed
GIJOE
What country did you go to ? what alternative test did you pass ?
I have spoken with medical doctor in Holland who advises that tests are the same as CAA so I am at a loss as to what test to try and in what country.
What country did you go to ? what alternative test did you pass ?
I have spoken with medical doctor in Holland who advises that tests are the same as CAA so I am at a loss as to what test to try and in what country.
Now go do it.
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Pretty sure you'll be fine - your prescription is very mild - you are allowed up to 5 dioptres of refractive correction on each eye (you have a quarter of a dioptre required in each) and something like 3 dioptres of astigmatism (you have half a dioptre in one eye, three-quarters in the other). As long as glasses/contacts can correct your vision (which seems almost certain to me with such a slight prescription, but I am not an optician) I see no problem.
Sorry to have to hedge this with disclaimers about not being an optician, I'm as certain as I could be that you're OK (I've been looking into this recently too as I have a similar prescription along with some colour vision deficiency) but wouldn't want to mislead you either.
Flash
Sorry to have to hedge this with disclaimers about not being an optician, I'm as certain as I could be that you're OK (I've been looking into this recently too as I have a similar prescription along with some colour vision deficiency) but wouldn't want to mislead you either.
Flash
Originally Posted by TruTh747
Hi guys,
I went fot a class 1 medical renewal yesterday and everything is ok except my eyes. From my last medical my vison has dropped slightly and the AME recommended i get a eye exam. I got one today and it confirms i need glasses. I still can't believe it! but ok.
My AME will review the results next wednesday (i'll be so nervous for the best part of a week) but the optician stated that i will be fine. I am a little nervous and in need of some reassurance that everything will be ok. My n14 and n5 is perfect. My vital stats are:
Uncorrected ,Corrected
right 6/12, 6/5
left 6/12, 6/5
Binocular 6/11, 6/4
unifocal (s/v distance recommended)
Sphere, Cylinder, Axis, Near (add)
right -0.25, -0.75, 90, n/a
left -0.25, -0.50, 25, n/a
Please reassure me everything is ok
Kind Regards
+Truth747 (nervous as hell)
I went fot a class 1 medical renewal yesterday and everything is ok except my eyes. From my last medical my vison has dropped slightly and the AME recommended i get a eye exam. I got one today and it confirms i need glasses. I still can't believe it! but ok.
My AME will review the results next wednesday (i'll be so nervous for the best part of a week) but the optician stated that i will be fine. I am a little nervous and in need of some reassurance that everything will be ok. My n14 and n5 is perfect. My vital stats are:
Uncorrected ,Corrected
right 6/12, 6/5
left 6/12, 6/5
Binocular 6/11, 6/4
unifocal (s/v distance recommended)
Sphere, Cylinder, Axis, Near (add)
right -0.25, -0.75, 90, n/a
left -0.25, -0.50, 25, n/a
Please reassure me everything is ok
Kind Regards
+Truth747 (nervous as hell)
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Blinkz - I need to know where you did your test in Germany ?
Have just been to City University to sit a range of tests which tell me that I have an issue with white and green, the advice was to try different tests until I pass one
I will schedule my next medical for Germany or wherever there is a different (and hopefully easier) colour vision test acceptable to JAA.
Just for info - City Uni are soon to conduct trials of a RED / WHITE Papi type test for the CAA so it looks like the wheels of change are slowly turning at long last.
Have just been to City University to sit a range of tests which tell me that I have an issue with white and green, the advice was to try different tests until I pass one
I will schedule my next medical for Germany or wherever there is a different (and hopefully easier) colour vision test acceptable to JAA.
Just for info - City Uni are soon to conduct trials of a RED / WHITE Papi type test for the CAA so it looks like the wheels of change are slowly turning at long last.
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DLR - Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt
Institut für Luft- und Raumfahrtmedizin
Flugmedizinisches Zentrum
Gebäude 24
Linder Höhe
D-51147 Köln
Here is the address of the AMC in Germany (Köln)
Iam planning to go there 2.
good luck
Institut für Luft- und Raumfahrtmedizin
Flugmedizinisches Zentrum
Gebäude 24
Linder Höhe
D-51147 Köln
Here is the address of the AMC in Germany (Köln)
Iam planning to go there 2.
good luck
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Hi all, very interesting thread thanks to all that have contributed. I've known I have some form of Red/Green since a young age, and always assumed it ruled me out of any commercial flying. Thanks to info here and alot of research I've done recently it seems there might be a chance..... I'm going for a full test at City Uni next week, seemed a sensible first step - presume that's what you did Unfazed? Do they give you the full range of tests, help you understand which you can pass, what Gatwick use etc? I'm hoping so!
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Whitelabel - Thanks for the address !
Do they give you the full range of tests, help you understand which you can pass, what Gatwick use etc? I'm hoping so!
Yes they do give you a range of tests (not all though), but certainly the main ones used at Gatwick. They do tell you the colours before you test which is fairer and I found that they allow you plenty of time to let your eyes acclimatise to the dark.
They provide you with a written report on your specific condition. All very useful if a little bit expensive.
They also advised that there are different tests in different JAR countries and the protocol for test standards differs as well.
Do they give you the full range of tests, help you understand which you can pass, what Gatwick use etc? I'm hoping so!
Yes they do give you a range of tests (not all though), but certainly the main ones used at Gatwick. They do tell you the colours before you test which is fairer and I found that they allow you plenty of time to let your eyes acclimatise to the dark.
They provide you with a written report on your specific condition. All very useful if a little bit expensive.
They also advised that there are different tests in different JAR countries and the protocol for test standards differs as well.
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My AME has issued me my class 1 medical today! My eyes were ok!
Yipeeeeee....
{although for flying you have to a spare pair of glasses handy which means i have to go back down to vision express and spend another 100 pounds )
Yipeeeeee....
{although for flying you have to a spare pair of glasses handy which means i have to go back down to vision express and spend another 100 pounds
)
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Originally Posted by whitelabel
DLR - Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt
Institut für Luft- und Raumfahrtmedizin
Flugmedizinisches Zentrum
Gebäude 24
Linder Höhe
D-51147 Köln
Here is the address of the AMC in Germany (Köln)
Iam planning to go there 2.
good luck
Institut für Luft- und Raumfahrtmedizin
Flugmedizinisches Zentrum
Gebäude 24
Linder Höhe
D-51147 Köln
Here is the address of the AMC in Germany (Köln)
Iam planning to go there 2.
good luck
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I sat my CAA class 1 medical yesterday. Everything was well witihin limits appart from colour blindness. After sitting both types of lantern test they have declaired me colour unsafe.
Now, I know I can read light signals on an airfield no problems.
It has been mentioned that you can go to other JAA countries to sit the medical (and different colour blindness tests). Any recommendations?
Also the FAA route has been mentioned. I would not mind going to the US to train and fly but would I be able to fly internationally with a US medical?
Any help to get through this part of the medical is very much appreciated.
Now, I know I can read light signals on an airfield no problems.
It has been mentioned that you can go to other JAA countries to sit the medical (and different colour blindness tests). Any recommendations?
Also the FAA route has been mentioned. I would not mind going to the US to train and fly but would I be able to fly internationally with a US medical?
Any help to get through this part of the medical is very much appreciated.