VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)
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Norton2005,
Your contact lens prescription will be different to your spectacle prescription. You need to find out what your glasses prescription is. From memory I think shortsighted folk have a weaker contact prescription than for specs. If that is the case it’s not good news mate, sorry. Give your Optician a ring.
I’m long sighted and my contacts are stronger than my specs.
CFG
Your contact lens prescription will be different to your spectacle prescription. You need to find out what your glasses prescription is. From memory I think shortsighted folk have a weaker contact prescription than for specs. If that is the case it’s not good news mate, sorry. Give your Optician a ring.
I’m long sighted and my contacts are stronger than my specs.
CFG
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Speedbird421,
Dioptre limits depend on the country where you will apply. However if you corrected vision is 20/20, the biggest concern for the medical examiners will be Retinal separation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinal_separation
The risk for this is increasing with dioptres and age...
Dioptre limits depend on the country where you will apply. However if you corrected vision is 20/20, the biggest concern for the medical examiners will be Retinal separation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinal_separation
The risk for this is increasing with dioptres and age...
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Had this on my PC for awhile, very interesting results, but I am actually wondering If anyone knows, 2 years later, has this thing moved anywhere with CAA and JAA authorities in terms of the new requirements in this field or is it still a "Status Quo" as It was and still is for the last 50 years?
http://www.city.ac.uk/avrc/members/j...lour_study.pdf
http://www.city.ac.uk/avrc/members/j...lour_study.pdf
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I wish there would be some money involved in this thing all together, then they would jump on us like young rabbits in the Springtime, but nope, that won't happen.
This weird chick from CAA I was talking to, told me that I have to sent her my lantern test results from my country in order to back up my JAA class 1 medical in UK, but I said to her that i don't agree and that UK is a part of JAA, so my medical should be fine without defining it over and over again...
So now, I am waiting to drive a push back truck on the airport with my CPL JAA class 1 medical, no restrictions in order to satisfy local ideologists with some power and a good job position, ( not gathered by the years of experience, rather a "buddy line") who are totaly incompetent and shallow minded and have absolutely no passion whatsoever for this industry.
Adios,
BD
This weird chick from CAA I was talking to, told me that I have to sent her my lantern test results from my country in order to back up my JAA class 1 medical in UK, but I said to her that i don't agree and that UK is a part of JAA, so my medical should be fine without defining it over and over again...
So now, I am waiting to drive a push back truck on the airport with my CPL JAA class 1 medical, no restrictions in order to satisfy local ideologists with some power and a good job position, ( not gathered by the years of experience, rather a "buddy line") who are totaly incompetent and shallow minded and have absolutely no passion whatsoever for this industry.
Adios,
BD
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Failed!
Now I know!
Failed the eyesight test for my class 1 because of " Esophoria".... first I've noticed!
However, this is a hereditary condition so I am going to have both my sons checked out and if there is an issue there we can work on it, I am to far in excess of limts to have eye exercises bring it back to normal.
My vision is fine though and I have been given a class two so I may see some of you if you happen to be taking a day off and fly cessnas.
Having worn glasses for some ten years now and had eye tests reguarly I am dissapointed with "supermarket" type opticians, as I had never been told about this condition before I shall now be going to a real optician ie. independent and I would advise anyone else to do the same.
So , here ends my chances, oh well!!!!! the rest of my medical was good.
Failed the eyesight test for my class 1 because of " Esophoria".... first I've noticed!
However, this is a hereditary condition so I am going to have both my sons checked out and if there is an issue there we can work on it, I am to far in excess of limts to have eye exercises bring it back to normal.
My vision is fine though and I have been given a class two so I may see some of you if you happen to be taking a day off and fly cessnas.
Having worn glasses for some ten years now and had eye tests reguarly I am dissapointed with "supermarket" type opticians, as I had never been told about this condition before I shall now be going to a real optician ie. independent and I would advise anyone else to do the same.
So , here ends my chances, oh well!!!!! the rest of my medical was good.
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It is not as simple as that. The CAA, if they are in favour of the results, then have to take the proposal before a JAA Medical Review Board and it has to be voted on by all member states, the result of that vote deciding whether or not the new tests are introduced within JAA land.
The CAA has only one vote and is probably the most lenient of JAA member states on this front so it is anybody's guess whether the new tests will be adopted by JAA.
The CAA is also trying to persuade the FAA into joining the game and accepting the new test. As a member of US AOPA I have already made enquiries via US AOPA / FAA and, whilst the FAA have no intention in accepting any alternative test at present, should they do so in the future anyone who has passed the US lantern tests WILL NOT be required to retake the new test, which makes things sort of interesting. If the FAA and JAA colour vision tests are standardised and a person already holds an unrestricted, pre-standardisation FAA medical then the tick-in-the-box with the FAA as far as colour vision goes should then be accepted by the JAA....or will it?
I still think that the authorities are missing the point and that all that is happening is that one set of irrelevant tests are being substituted with another set of irrelevant tests, which in some respects are more discriminatory than the original tests. I personally feel that this is a waste of 'public' funding and will not stop legal action being taken against the CAA for discrimination.
The CAA has only one vote and is probably the most lenient of JAA member states on this front so it is anybody's guess whether the new tests will be adopted by JAA.
The CAA is also trying to persuade the FAA into joining the game and accepting the new test. As a member of US AOPA I have already made enquiries via US AOPA / FAA and, whilst the FAA have no intention in accepting any alternative test at present, should they do so in the future anyone who has passed the US lantern tests WILL NOT be required to retake the new test, which makes things sort of interesting. If the FAA and JAA colour vision tests are standardised and a person already holds an unrestricted, pre-standardisation FAA medical then the tick-in-the-box with the FAA as far as colour vision goes should then be accepted by the JAA....or will it?
I still think that the authorities are missing the point and that all that is happening is that one set of irrelevant tests are being substituted with another set of irrelevant tests, which in some respects are more discriminatory than the original tests. I personally feel that this is a waste of 'public' funding and will not stop legal action being taken against the CAA for discrimination.
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I feel the same 2close. The FAA system works. 95% pass the light signal test and there are 16,500 CVD pilots in US over 2000 of those ATP holders. Only one accedent that mentioned colour vision (Talahasse) and then fatigue was probably the major cause. (2 other colour normal crew!!).
I have unrestricted FAA and it Pi
me off as I'm English and cannot work in USA and my home and family are in England.
More to come soon - I'm looking into my own chalenge.
I have unrestricted FAA and it Pi
me off as I'm English and cannot work in USA and my home and family are in England.More to come soon - I'm looking into my own chalenge.
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Hi everyone,
I have a vision problem too, although mine is not too bad. I have myopia on bith eyes, my prescription is :
L: -2.00
R: -1.75
....and it is pretty much steady.
I am thinking about having lasik surgery to correct this. Do you think that would be wise?If not, why?
I am in college at the moment and I will start flying in a year, but I would like to correct this before that.
I did my initial JAA class 1 medical in June 2006 , but that ophtalmologist there told me to make sure my vision doesn`t get worse until I am 25 or so, and I was 18 then. Maybe he was trying to say I should make sure my vision doesn`t get worse than -3.00 until a company hires me.
I really thought that that medical last year was the initial and on any medical after that I could have vision errors as far as -8.00, isn`t that true?
I also know that if i have laser eye surgery, I am going to lose my medical certificate for a year, but no bother, I won`t need it for a year , so I thought this would be good time to do something about my vision.
I know this situation isn`t that bad, but I want to be a pilot with perfect vision.
Anybody else wondering the same thing?
I have a vision problem too, although mine is not too bad. I have myopia on bith eyes, my prescription is :
L: -2.00
R: -1.75
....and it is pretty much steady.
I am thinking about having lasik surgery to correct this. Do you think that would be wise?If not, why?
I am in college at the moment and I will start flying in a year, but I would like to correct this before that.
I did my initial JAA class 1 medical in June 2006 , but that ophtalmologist there told me to make sure my vision doesn`t get worse until I am 25 or so, and I was 18 then. Maybe he was trying to say I should make sure my vision doesn`t get worse than -3.00 until a company hires me.
I really thought that that medical last year was the initial and on any medical after that I could have vision errors as far as -8.00, isn`t that true?
I also know that if i have laser eye surgery, I am going to lose my medical certificate for a year, but no bother, I won`t need it for a year , so I thought this would be good time to do something about my vision.
I know this situation isn`t that bad, but I want to be a pilot with perfect vision.
Anybody else wondering the same thing?
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Telboy
I don't think so. The JAR colour study by J Barbour reports the results of similar anomoloscope tests and says that the JAR standard is a matching range of 4. If you look at the results this is inclusive of the first and second numbers, and not the difference between them. So as I understand it you have a matching range of 5 ie outside the range.
I also took the City Uni tests and I have a matching range of 8. (difference of 7).
Regards
Andy
I don't think so. The JAR colour study by J Barbour reports the results of similar anomoloscope tests and says that the JAR standard is a matching range of 4. If you look at the results this is inclusive of the first and second numbers, and not the difference between them. So as I understand it you have a matching range of 5 ie outside the range.
I also took the City Uni tests and I have a matching range of 8. (difference of 7).
Regards
Andy
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Thanks gijoe,
At Aviation House they do now do the Bayne test - I have it from them as well as posts on this thread.
I have taken the City Uni tests, but they did not have the actual Bayne, but a simulator that does similar. I passed the first set, but they lowered the hew and I made mistakes in the next set, I really want info on what Gatwick will do.
It is interesting you say that they will refer you to City Uni etc. Not sure it will be any use for me as City have given me a report of moderate deuternomaly and say I will often be unable to discriminate red-green colour differences that would be within colour discrimination for a typical colour normal observer. I feel that sentance would be the nail in my coffin so to speak. (good news is my blue yellow is excellent!!).
The City Uni tests I took are aimed at their reserch. The new tests that the CAA will probably take will not be as simple as the CAD or PAPI but a whole lot of tests to determine your exact colour vision range. The CAA will then (with the JAA) have to decide the cut off point. My feeling is that if a red or green dificency is shown you will fail, as these are the most widley used colours in aviation. This is just MY OPINION of course.
Also if the CAA are willing to look outside their own tests - why will they not take FAA medicals and waivers into consideration. I have an FAA waiver for any class medical because I passed the Light Signal Test. This is a practical test - no altering hews etc, just distance of 1000 and 1500 yards from tower. There are 16500 CVD US pilots with waivers, 2000 of which have ATP - they fly in our skies daily with a good record, so can't be that bad.
Any how if anyone has actual experience of the Bayne at Gatwick, please let me know exactley what happens.
At Aviation House they do now do the Bayne test - I have it from them as well as posts on this thread.
I have taken the City Uni tests, but they did not have the actual Bayne, but a simulator that does similar. I passed the first set, but they lowered the hew and I made mistakes in the next set, I really want info on what Gatwick will do.
It is interesting you say that they will refer you to City Uni etc. Not sure it will be any use for me as City have given me a report of moderate deuternomaly and say I will often be unable to discriminate red-green colour differences that would be within colour discrimination for a typical colour normal observer. I feel that sentance would be the nail in my coffin so to speak. (good news is my blue yellow is excellent!!).
The City Uni tests I took are aimed at their reserch. The new tests that the CAA will probably take will not be as simple as the CAD or PAPI but a whole lot of tests to determine your exact colour vision range. The CAA will then (with the JAA) have to decide the cut off point. My feeling is that if a red or green dificency is shown you will fail, as these are the most widley used colours in aviation. This is just MY OPINION of course.
Also if the CAA are willing to look outside their own tests - why will they not take FAA medicals and waivers into consideration. I have an FAA waiver for any class medical because I passed the Light Signal Test. This is a practical test - no altering hews etc, just distance of 1000 and 1500 yards from tower. There are 16500 CVD US pilots with waivers, 2000 of which have ATP - they fly in our skies daily with a good record, so can't be that bad.
Any how if anyone has actual experience of the Bayne at Gatwick, please let me know exactley what happens.
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Telboy
Just reading over the posts again.
The Beyne simulator that you described at City seems to be nothing like the real thing. As I understand it from previous posts the test at Garwick does not have a demonstration prior to it and you are shown lights at one level of saturation / hue all the way through.
Hope this helps
Andy
Just reading over the posts again.
The Beyne simulator that you described at City seems to be nothing like the real thing. As I understand it from previous posts the test at Garwick does not have a demonstration prior to it and you are shown lights at one level of saturation / hue all the way through.
Hope this helps
Andy
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Telboy,
Ask the CAA. I'm absolutely certain they'll tell you.
Failing that, read JAR-FCL 3 and the Manual of Civil Aviation Medicine, available on line at the www.jaa.nl website.
HTH
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Ask the CAA. I'm absolutely certain they'll tell you.
Failing that, read JAR-FCL 3 and the Manual of Civil Aviation Medicine, available on line at the www.jaa.nl website.
HTH
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TelBoy - so sorry to hear that, I failed them all myself in January so I know what its like. If you can do the FAA route then go for it, and whatever you do don't give up and keep flying, even if its only daytime VFR in the UK for fun.
All the best
Ian
All the best
Ian