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I can see the route map but again my original question is weather all the trips were just out and back (for example to Belgrade) or could you do 4 sectors through another base? BEG-LTN-BUD-LTN-BEG or usually it would be just out and back. It seems from a small base it will be very boring if you will just do the 7 routes over and over again.

If you find this boring, try driving a taxi. With every customer you get a new destination. Plus other benefits.

And the pay is WAY better than Wizz.

Unless you joined early enough and have some special deal with the management - its really not worth considering. Think cheap uniform, uneatable crew meals (the company budget is EUR 1,50 per day per crew member for 12 hours duty), inexperienced and disrespectful management, passengers handled like a cattle with the ground staff being actually paid a commission if they catch a passenger with a hand-luggage not fitting into a measuring box by 5 mm, constant rush, and a big thank you from the CEO at a 1m euro christmas party for your hard effort that you put for all the money they made expressed as two free return tickets anywhere on the network.

Oh by the way, and if you are hungry amid your 12 hour duty - you can always buy a gas-station rate chicken sandwich for E 5,- from the on-board sales.

Why should a crew member pay the same price as the pax? Cause if they sell it to you with a discount, some crew members (you) might buy them all and re-sell them to the passengers robbing the company off their profit.

If you want to be with your family each and every day, there are many other better things to do in life.

One starts to think why still accepting these kind of rubbish life. Yes we all like flying but in the end, don't you think it is still just a job?? In case you don't know, there is still a life outside aviation.
I just don't get it, but maybe it is just me and my normal rational way of thinking. Excuse me for that, for being naïve.

All fair points(even that that has nothing to do with Wizz in particular, it's more a life(style) decission).

If you go to one of this "peanuts" carriers you have normally a goal(or you are such a bad pilot, then it might be really the end as well ^^) - e.g. grow from a "green" and still wet behind the ears kid to a real pilot or simple get a good TR(A320/B737), fly a lot, get a couple of tousand hours, best in command and then get a good (best DEC) job.

That's it.

Problem is that more and more carriers are crappy, others you might end up being a FO for ever.

Still you might consider that the pay for most(not all!!) airline jobs is well(talking about Captain now)in the range of any medium management position(non flying) of any major company. Just compared to this poor people pilots still have a life(e.g. having a Ryanair 5/4 roster or some other perks) compared with medium management(know some guys that work their ass of at least Mon-Fri late, some even as well Sat, and all for a Captains pay or normally even less).

Don't think that the grass is always greener on the other side, fact is, as well non aviation jobs went from bad to worse. If you know someone that does better he might be that one example that sticks out of all the bad jobs.

I agree that aviation was much better 20 years ago(and much better even before), but that ship has sailed. The industry has changed. The only thing that might bring flying hours/year down is if they finally publish that "radiation/year" records. Till now it is all very vague anf I have a pretty good idea why they handle it like that.

But complaining about facts, calling people that maybe have no other options idiots is not a nice thing to do. You cannot turn back time.

tomuchwork you speak a lot of truth, just like aviation a lot of other professions have suffered major set backs in recent years resulting in lower wages. The fact that some people on Pprune keep stating that people would be better off working in supermarkets or as cab drivers clearly shows how out of touch they are. Personally I wouldn't like to work for Wizz however if its a viable option for others who are we say otherwise.

well gents, i do agree it is not nice to call people who do not have other options idiots, and if that remark was directed at my post and i gave that impression i do apologise. (you got me worried for a second that i actually used that word).

however i still do think that the reason people do not have other options is because of the very same people accepting being treated that way

the management says we will cut 10% from your contract - sign - why - because all other pilots signed already - and well that is not very clever for all the other pilots to sign

and then it comes the complaining, and then it comes the accepting the situation as the new reality and then you get upset with me because i'm pointing out how unfair you are treated while you don't have any other options.

but hey, one ship has sailed, but yet many more will sail away if you let them

while i see a certain wisdom in what tomuchwork says, it is also disturbing to see such resignation

wonder88: who are we to say otherwise? these companies because of their cheap workforce will have an unfair competitive advantage over your present airline that will either cut your conditions or go bust forcing you to learn a new profession or join an airline you wouldn't otherwise like to work for

while we certainly can not tell anybody what to do, at least by discussing these issues we can put things into perspective for those who no longer (not yet) see it

What kind of competences is the most appreciated in company ?

Desperation perhaps?

@Skipping Classes

The things you mentioned are really not a very clever step indeed. But you know the old group concept - a single human may be as clever as Einstein, a group of them suddenly makes them to spineless cattle. Sometimes this is true.

Again then you need to look deeper into the case - maybe there are no other options for that pilots, maybe they want to stay at that base. Who knows....

@toomuchwork: yes, most certainly there are reasons... the question is (and that's of course very individual): how low can you go?

so what i'm saying that 'we' (as an average of all pilots) are loosing self-respect and accept this as a norm, this is, sadly, called degradation

I understand it the take-home for DEC say, in the Balkans, are 1000 EUR more than EZY LIS, while the living cost are about half. Some people, you know, actually prefer to work from where they are from, too.

From a day to day point of view what are the extra costs to the pilots? I assume reporting point is the base airport? Is there usually parking available for employees or is this something that has to be paid separately? What about medical renewal? Is this covered by Wizz annually? I assume all initial and recurrent training takes place in BUD and they will cover the expense of travelling there/hotels etc?
What is the salary for a SFO once all deductions are made? What about for a new upgrade captain? Appreciate any insight. Please PM me if that is more appropriate. Thank you.

Parking at your base airport is provided I believe but not having a car I have never really asked about it.
If your duty starts before 06 am and/or finishes after 10pm company will arrange transportation for the crew with a midicar from/to your place.
Medical reimbursed and uniforms paid by company as well.
Recurrents sims in BUD, SOF or AMS. Transportation and hotel provided. Positionings can be a pain, as they tend to prefer to use wizz network. Expect also trains at times.

As an SFO it hugely depends on your country of fiscal residence, in some places you might have to pay taxes on top of the swiss one the company pays.
With an average month you can expect about 2700/3300 euros on a local SFO contract, after deductions on social security, taxes and type rating repayment, depending on base and family status, assuming no other tax in your home country. If rated it is about 420 eur gross more.
If on Confair expect around 10/15% more, but you have to take care of social security.
For six month after upgrade you are under junior captain salary, but I am not able to give accurate figures.

Thanks @dirk85. Thats a really great and very informative reply. I very much appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by SoundLesS (Post 9331931)

Its incredible how much BS you guys can make in 15 pages, why do we not rename the thread "****talk about Wizz Air by Syntax Error and Skipping Classes", who by the way, not many people liked to fly with in the days, and after reading the comments here, no wonder.

To get back on track for new people:

Wizz Air is a Hungarian Company, formed by a CEO who did not want to have MALEV conditions with Unions etc. hence if you try to form any, then you are out. Simple and known since the start.

Fatigue was and still is present, but honestly as we have seen recently, this is present in many LCC and even in some dubai companies, again aviation has been moving towards more flying hours in the past years, nothing new. Recently with the new EU rules, things have changed. Do we like it? No...Can we do anything about it without unions? No...What if you say something? Then you get a verbal warning probably. Those are know facts, so better shut up. Is it good to shut up? no...but since you decided to join the company, you decided to join it with the T/C that you were presented with, so do not come after that and complain, then just leave and find something better.

Wizz Air is an EEC mentality airlines, and run by some, not all, corrupt people in the pilot and the cc department, sadly, and corrupt people hire corrupt people under them so that will not change. You just have to fly, do you job, and go home to your family and that is it.

As it being an EEC airline, the salary is corresponding to something from those countries. You will not get a Norwegian or a British salary here, forget it. Again you know about it, nothing new, just leave then if you are not happy.

Many airlines are doing dodgy methods when it comes to salaries, see Ryanair fx, and now also Norwegian with their many new contract agencies...however Wizz Air now has local contracts in every country, which at least is a step in the right direction.

You join Wizz Air, if you are a local pilot who wants to fly and live like a king in your home country, or if you are a cadet level pilot or if you want to get back to EU after some time abroad. If you want to get 10K in salary each month and get picked up by a limo before the flight and get free coffee on every sector, then dont join.

You can call all this prostitution or whatever, but at the end of the day, you fly in brand new aircrafts, with a decent salary for where you are living(net in cash at the end of the month) with good maintenance and flying with some good collegues. Get the hours and experience and then bail the ship if you fancy something else. Wizz Air is mainly the start, not the end for many pilots, and it will probably remain like that, unless you are local.

”Can we do anything about it without unions? No...”

Good evening, gents!

Although, it is clear that most of us fear Company's actions and decisions on this very sensitive subject: trade unions; and while we serve no propaganda on this issue; we would like to inform you that there is already a trade union legally constituted within Wizzair since 2014, the first ever. The story of the union is well known for those in aviation and our efforts continue to get this union recognised and functional both for pilots and cabin crew.

There are several organisations ready to assist us to positively re-launch activity, both with media and legal support.

Of course, no one can assure you that things will go smoothly, but we believe that now it's time to act and get your T&C back to a decent level.

SoundLesS...well said...

Hi guys,

I'm wondering about Low hour NON-TR cadet scheme.

Do WZZ bond you or you need to pay for TR?

Deducted from your salary in three years, total 15k, or 7,5k if you stay 3 year.

Hello everyone!

Does anybody know how long WZZ is usually taking to call experienced FOs (non-TR) after we submit the application on their website?
Also please, does anybody know how is the selection process nowadays? I read somewhere it about a technical interview and a SIM check but I'm not sure.
Any help will be very appreciated.

Thank you for all in advance!