Ah! Professor! (sorry reminds me of Fosters ad from yonks back).

I get the distinct impression for many the process is simply to start at the top and select the number of interviewable applications - probably in a rough order of date received depending if anybody dropped the pile on the floor at some point or not. When the appropriate number has been found stop looking. Not a process of looking at all applications and weighing up the pros and cons of each.

My email asking for an update was from CAE.
All other emails have been from Ryanair, as for sim type i am on the -200 in Dublin on the 16th feb

Hi Professor,

I received email from CAE to update my cv on 24th but,still i am waiting a call from Ryan air for assesment.I heard that when u apply they put your name in list,when your name comes they will contact u.

Best Regards,
Good luck,
cessna310

Hi Crashlanding,


When did u apply to CAE?
Best of luck,

Best regards,
cessna310.

Thanks for that info guys, it’s very re-assuring.

Cessna310 – I’ve been told the same thing as you’ve heard. All things being well it should be just a matter of waiting now. Fingers crossed.

High Wing Drifter – Excellent ! I remember that Fosters Ad well !!


Good luck to all of you with forthcoming assessments. Prepare well and be lucky.

I applied to CAE at Xmas, got the email on 24th re CV

3 days ago got email about dates (all march) at EMA, replied with date of choice.

Reply came back saying got my date and on the -800 sim

Email was sent to 12 people, with there being 12 dates to pick.

Ryanair Type Rating Courses
 

Guys and girls I had a very good talk with a good friend of mine who is with our flag carrier. He told me not to listen to a lot of the rumours about Ryanair which had until then put me off applying.

Let me set a few things straight before I start. I would like to explain that I have just joined Ryanair and amd therefore not guessing about how the contracts may or may not work.

There are a few people who have suggested that there is an age limit on my TR course there were 4 out of all of us who was below 25 the others were late twenties, early thirties and some in their 40s. The mix was good, ex mil, male, female, numerous nations and mother tongues, so age and diversity of background are not issues. Those who fell by the wayside on the way almost without exception did not have strong enough English, the SOPs are very particular and I as a Brit have to give tribute to those Spaniards, Frenchmen, Germans, Swedes etc who did get through because the nature of the task and the intensity of the TR course did not leave much room for error.

Re contracts there are numerous in this thread who say that you do not get your contract and or pay for 18 months. This is not true, they are making it up. Day 1 in our first week at East midlands when we did our induction, SEP and CRM we were given contracts for the TR phase and contracts for line training phase. Yes you may not know where you are going of the 18 current bases but hey its better than being unemployed (as a pilot).

The contracts told us how much we would get paid, when and why, when it would change, what we had to do and when and the last three courses above us have had to wait ohhh alomst a week for base training. The delays are gone, they are a thing of the past.

Line trainging locations are not specified but DUB and STN are fairly safe bets seeing as there are 500 pilots based at STN and 40 a/c.

So as long as you do not mind not knowing exactly where you will be based and accept that it will take 6-11 months (not 18) to get to full pay then I am not sure why people are making up the tripe that put me of joining for so long.

I expect a barrage of questions but frankly don't care if u are going to berate my firm then do it with knowledge not guesswork.

They are never going to look after me as much as many other firms but there is no deception in this. If you don't like it then don't join! Oh and yes in answer to many of the likely questions. Do I mind paying for my uniform, my own water on the flight deck, having no pension, etc well yes but not as much as I minded not even getting a response from many of the regional firms.

Before the Ryanair debate continues I suggest that somebody actually calculates how much they earn over a 3-4 year period if they were to join a regional turboprop Dash8 firm for three years and then join EJ or FR and just get on with it and joining of the bat. I'd suggest that 3-4yrs down the line with 2700hrs on a 738 you are going to be fairly safein gettin some work and used to all manner of approaches in Europe rather thatn RV to the ILS at EHAM.

If you take into account your lack of earnings with a turboprop operator I am surprised, in hindsight, that these deabtes dont start with why on earth would anyone join Flybe, Logan, etc rather than why would u take an alledged chance with FR.

Yes some people do not make it through the courses and line but hey lets be honest it wasnt because FR wanted to waste a line trg capts time knowing they would not progress.


So for all those in doubt. Don't listen to those above below or anyone else, me included just take it as info and make up your own mind. I have not met any of the 1600 pilots in FR who were desperately unhappy. Yes some were annoyed about basing and some about contracts but NONE of us in three courses were forced to go to Brookfields or Bond (except some JAR25 qualified skippers) and none of them were unhappy enough to leave and leave they can. Easy are offering interviews to those over 50hrs on type now so it would not be hard to jump ship. So why are FR pilots leaving? Ask yourself that.

So how bad is it really, I'd say it ain't bad at all. See you on the Abbot 1C:ugh:

Vortex Thing
 

Theres a pilot with a damn good attitude.

Fair play mate. I wish you all the best with your career.
An attitute like that, someone who does the back ground work, and believes the facts, not rumours, is chief pilot material.

Well said by Vortex, for a company to start in RyanAir is a great place to get a few hours on type then reconsider your options. Most of the Captains you fly with are good guys and the flying is very entertaining. A far better decisions than going to a Turbo Prop operator if you have the choice.

However the contract is very bad and you wont see full F.O. salary for 18 months after sighing your RYR contract and the chances are you will never see Senior F.O. money. Also as is well known in RYR you make your money on your Sector Pay rather than your basic salary, which in previous years meant as a S.O. with a poor basic salary you still made good money. However last year RYR over did it on F.O./S.O. recruitment and now due to the over staffing you will make less than the Number 1's even with your sector cheque. So as i say go to RYR get enough hours for Easy then leave. :)

Vortex Thing you have been nominated as material for a position as Chief Pilot. Congratulations. The person nominating you, and judging from your post, yourself are likely to be uninterested in anything that says differently. However I view your research efforts with some suspicion.

But for those reading your confident words - and it is for them that I am writing this - may I just point out that you have like everybody else received a You seem to have missed what has been written about this. That is not your contract of employment. In fact you are "half-employed" by the only airline that has a contract for line training. I don't suppose you considered why you are on such a contract? Why would an employer have such a contract?

Now that you have paid your money you will learn the realities, especially when you get your Ryanair contract and start wondering how to interpret what it all means for you. You would know the answers to those questions if you had done your research (and what F.O. 737-800 says should point you in the correct direction).

If you had done that research and then decided it was for you, the perhaps you would be Chief Pilot material. To state so assertively that all will be well when you are only at the start of the process is certainly confident.

Let's hear from you in a year, as pressman suggests.

Vortex mentioned that the training contract states:
What is the legal binding of this, if the contract of employment is not in par with terms stated in the training contract? Anyone? OTOH Fighting a big corporation in a court with my limited resources is one thing i wouldn't voluntairly do.

Vortex: Was there any mention in the training contract about pay during/after line training?

Vortex Thing I too want to follow up on your remarkable post - remarkable for your apparent lack of insight on so many fronts. Maybe I am wrong, and if I am, I will apologise, but I thought that you guys had paid for a rating "up front". So when you say Ahh.... so you identify with Ryanair's interests, but not with those who paid for a rating and contributed to Ryanair's profits? Any half decent employer has a commitment to those they employ (not least because they are not a source of profit in their training) and tend to help those people, especially when they have problems.

I presume that if you had failed you would have the same attitude and would willingly kissed your money goodbye. Of course you would. Not a word of complaint. Yea.

BBT,

I fully agree with you. The majority of Pilots out there today have spent so much money just getting their licence, only to add insult to injury by being hammered for a substantial sum of money to have the 'honour' of flying for FR!

Yes, I will single out Ryanair because they were the one's who created this wonderful idea. Can you just imagine it? all those brown tongues falling over themselves to impress MOL "Oh Please Michael, I have an idea! Lets charge those glorified bus drivers for the type-rating...after all, we passed the buck when it was a requirement for all new crew to have an MCC!"
Other Airlines looking on couldn't believe the gaul of Mr O Leary, but then thought.....jeez he's actually pulled it off, these guys are actually paying! Let's do it, the precident is set.

So when O'Leary insults his new 'Boeing bus-drivers' by making them live off a wage whereby their take-home pay barely takes them home!!....well thats when the fun is taken out of flying and the job becomes a 'vocation' with a difference!

Ah, that was so nice to get off my chest, now can anyone lend me E30-40k for a type-rating, I'm good for it...honest Guv'!


;)

Actually, I think Ryanair were nowhere near the first to charge for a TR. If I remember correctly, the practice was established in the '80s , long before FR came to prominence. Even BA effectively charged their cadets for the TR, paying them a reduced salary for the first 7 years.

Scroggs

Scroggs comparing Ryanair to BA in this regard is very misleading indeed. In fact it suggests you have no grasp of how far beyond the traditional cadet scheme Ryanair has gone. There is a phenomenal difference between the two schemes, well documented on posts to be found in this and other threads.

Latest assessment
 

Anyone to share some information about recent assessments?
I know they held one yesterday at EMA.

Ryanair SIM assessment and interview
 

I have also been "invited" for sim assessment at ryanair next march...would also like to receive some gouging on recent assessments

Thank you

Went to an assessment yesterday. (EMA)

No tricks,

SID, Steep turns, minor failure, NDB DME back in.

Personal and tech interview combined and very casual.

I'm through and completely over the moon.

Cheers
Goose

Any gouging on both tech and personal interviews?like questions asked etc..

could you inform me?
 

Ok I read a lot things about Ryanair and Easy Jet.

I wonder what happens if I do not pass the type rating (ryanair) with for example CAE ?

I ask that because if I understood, easy jet repay us our bond less an excess of 5000 £ I think... so around 17000 £.

so it is the same thing about Ryanair? or we lose all our money... :sad:

is there any bond with Ryanair ?

thanks a lot!