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avrodamo 16th Feb 2007 08:12

WTSS - For what its worth, i did the SSTR route. I secured a position after 6 months with a loco on the 737. All i would say is that having the TR is really on 25% of the battle. Once you start line training, that is where you really sink or swim. Personally, it made the TR a walk in the park. The line training is real airline flying, and for me, i realised very quickly why airlines want experienced people first. You think you know so much, but realise very quickly you know so little. The pace is incredible, and you will be given so many factors that you never even considered in the sim on the TR. ATC, other aircraft, contaminated runways, tech problems, passenger problems, loadsheet problems, overweight on arrival, Low vis ops, manual loadsheets, manual navlogs, horrendous crosswinds.....the list goes on. All 4 of us who started together found it very very hard going. Its a great 'pat on the back' when you get through it, but i would say it is the line training where you will work your hardest and find it the toughest.
When i was doing my TR, there were 2 guys on an Airbus course who got picked up by a loco immediately after finishing. One of them found the line training very very difficult and despite further training sectors ended up handing in his notice. It was just too much for him.

Canada Goose 16th Feb 2007 08:32

"... hopefully then, I'll stroll John Wayne style into a 'proper' airline job."

Well don't be too disappointed a few years down the road when you find out that the 'proper' airline job isn't what it once was as terms and conditions have deteriorated beyond anything that once resembled a 'proper' job!

That aside, interesting thread topic !

Frantic 16th Feb 2007 10:13

Guys, come on!! What industry do you think your getting your self into?? TR hard but line training is harder?? Of course it is!! Thatís life,

No doubt that trís hard work, I have seen guys fail, who I considered to be well above my standard. But determination and a good understanding of the job in hand will see you through.

Get a grip stop paying for your TR and look around as many smaller and more interesting operators are out there looking for fo's.
:}

Willing to sell soul 16th Feb 2007 10:20

I fear my tongue in cheek comments have been misinterpreted to a degree. My attitude is actually very professional and diligent.

Worsening T&C's are to some degree a by-product of the Low Cost model and it appears that most other airlines have followed suit in some shape or form, where it is now quite rare to get into the RHS without either having payed for a TR (SSTR or Airline backed), pay for a specialist course (e.g. CTC AQC) or merely pay over the odds for an integrated course which gives you the same licence, but some recruitment assistance (e.g. OAT APP). So I take a pragmatic approach, taking into consideration the current market, my age and personal circumstances. At this point in time and for the foreseeable future, Ryanair is my best bet for a RHS job.

As has been said many times before on this forum, if we could get all wannabees to sign up to a 'we're not paying anymore' charter, great! But that's never going to happen. So each individual has to make their own choice....horses for courses.

I thank all those who have replied so far, and wish everyone well with their endeavours.

Cheers,
WTSS :ok:

Frantic 16th Feb 2007 10:56

Totally agree! Good luck to everyone who has put time and effort into there training. I too once looked at paying for a tr, but I must say that now it is always at the bottom of my list when I start looking for a job.

I think what you have to ask yourself, is what type of flying job do you want and why??

If its airlines why?? What do you know about the job that really wants you to do it??

If its corporate, then same and so on. But I think a lot of you guys and girls come out of oat and the like, and all you see is the airlines. Take a look around, there are plenty of operators out there that pay good money and fly interesting types that will only bond you.

Donít get to blinkered to whatís really going off around you.

Good luck.:D

IRRenewal 16th Feb 2007 11:04

tp232,

Under JAR the -200 and -300~900 are considered to be different types. A -200 rated pilot needs to do a complete type rating course to fly the -800, although there might be a reduction in sim time.

HTH

Gerard

nuclear weapon 16th Feb 2007 11:18

tp232,

Under JAR the -200 and -300~900 are considered to be different types. A -200 rated pilot needs to do a complete type rating course to fly the -800, although their might be a reduction in sim time.

HTH


I only just found this out a couple of days ago. How much reduction in sim time is available for those who have done it.

Mrmoeller 18th Feb 2007 06:03

What route manual system does Ryanair use? (SIM ASS. and IRL)?


Br.

Mrm

INSIDEVIEW 18th Feb 2007 17:52

my opinion
 
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!
Funny theres a Guy who does the Ryanair Selection and he can run on the other side a business to prepare candidates for Interviews.
So ,i pass if i buy myself 2 Evenings with MR .H and then pay again to get evaluated by him and 2 others ..............
Shame on all of you who play with Dreams of others !!!!
You will pay one day ....maybe aboard an Aircraft with Pilots who "Bought" their Jobs ..not earned !!!
My Opinion ....no comment required ....
Amen

inveritas 18th Feb 2007 23:46

So Nuclear Weapon you did not make it into Ryanair. Well I guess from reading your post I can see that you may but be able to hack life at Europe's most successful low fares airline.

Oh and your friend - a cadet - did not get his first choice of base straight out of training. What did he really expect. Ryanair is an airline and sends new cadets where they have vacancies. It is not a branch of Thomas Cook! Get real.

WelshRambler 19th Feb 2007 08:31

If I can indulge for a moment and ask about the assessment....
 
To the guys that have been through or know about the sim assessment:

Some colleagues have been suggesting that I get some time in the sim before hand to be familiar and up to speed whilst others have suggested I don't want to look too good initially as they are looking for your ability to learn and improve (as in that if you get a second attempt at something the assessors are looking for you to take their coaching on board and put it to good use).

Is the Ryanair sim assessment a 'one chance' deal where they are looking for people that can turn up and fly the sim very nicely or do they prefer people not necessarily pre-trained, but can keep their cool and when given hints and tips can show the ability to learn and improve?

Basically I'm wondering whether getting some extra sim time in can work against someone.

Ta!

Willing to sell soul 19th Feb 2007 11:35

Sim practice
 
Welsh Rambler,

I have also heard these differing points of view regarding sim rides, but the mere fact that you are considering it as an option probably means (and no offence meant) that you are either a little rusty with instrument flying or unfamiliar with type. To me, both cases are strong enough to warrant some practice beforehand.

I have the assessment day on 21st March and have already booked the 737-200 sim at Real Simulation in Yorkshire for the prior day. It's a fair wedge to lay out (approx. £600 for 2 hours plus briefings etc.) on top of travel, accomodation and the £250 for Mr O' Leary's beer fund ;) , but compared with what I've already spent on training, it's small fry. I would hate not to get through selection due to being unprepared for the sim ride. At the end of the day you have to give yourself the best possible chance to get through and preparation in terms of personal/technical interview, sim ride and overall personal presentation is never wasted.

The bit about assessors wanting to see an improvement over the duration etc. Well hopefully, if you've prepared you'll be good on your first attempt and even better on your second, or at least as good. Ideally, you should be able to learn or observe something from every 'flight' you conduct. They can't & don't expect miracles from a low hours/not current on 737 pilot, but are looking for a reasonable standard of flying and good CRM skills etc.

Best of luck whatever you decide to do.

WTSS :ok:

Sky Goose 19th Feb 2007 12:02

Welsh Rambler
I would definitely get some time in a 737-200 sim. Think it might be a bit too much of a learning curve to learn to handle a jet and the high speeds involved in a 45 min assessment.
When asked at the interview what I'd done to prepare I told them I did some time in a 737-200 FFS to prepare and they didnt seem to mind. You prepare as much as you can for flights, so why not for interview, was the view I took.
I used Realsimulation, 1 hour did the trick, I used MS Flight Sim to brush up on my scan.
All the best of luck.
PS. I know 4 blokes who are flying for Ryanair in the Cadet scheme and all are loving it.:ok:

WelshRambler 19th Feb 2007 12:07

WTSS & SkyGoose

Thanks for the advice guys :) , I'll give RealSim a bell.

scroggs 19th Feb 2007 13:45

The 'Vortex Thing' debate has been moved to this thread, which I've temporarily borrowed from Terms and Endearments. It encapsulates the issue we were discussing quite well, and VT might learn a thing or two about how the industry feels about those who would work for less than the going rate.

Please post any further opinions on the issue in that thread, and leave this one for the discussion purely of Ryanair recruiting.

Scroggs

Diogo 19th Feb 2007 16:23

738 Sim?????
 
I am taking the assessment in a -800, or so they say.

Does anybody know where I can do some sim time on this type to prepare for the assessment?

Thank you very much

Diogo

avrodamo 19th Feb 2007 18:13

GECAT at Gatwick have a 738 sim. I believe you have to hire it privately through IAGO Solutions. Its not cheap though!

IRRenewal 19th Feb 2007 19:45

Virtual Aviation (google it) might be able to help as well with an NG sim. Again, cheap it ain't......

Studsgaard 20th Feb 2007 08:05

EMA - Stansted
 
Anyone going to Stansted after the interview at EMA tomorrow?
Perhaps we can share a rental car.

Regards,
Studsgaard

mcflight 23rd Feb 2007 10:52

Sim on 800
 
Hi guys,

Does any one know which exact departure is to be used on the new assessment on the 800 sim??


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