TUI MPL Cadet Programme Jan 2024
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Second scenario, one-engine-inoperative departure, engine failure after v1 - vectors for ILS with FD - end of scenario.
Third scenario - one crosswind ILS approach and landing
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engines operating departure, followed by airwork (steep turns, rolling out on specific headings, speed changes, altitude changes etc.) basic stuff. Then one ILS approach - end of scenario.
Second scenario, one-engine-inoperative departure, engine failure after v1 - vectors for ILS with FD - end of scenario.
Third scenario - one crosswind ILS approach and landing
Second scenario, one-engine-inoperative departure, engine failure after v1 - vectors for ILS with FD - end of scenario.
Third scenario - one crosswind ILS approach and landing
Mine was completely different to this with none of these scenarios because I don't have any flight experience! So, just some very basic flying with some manoeuvres - unfortunately cant say much more than that!
They were fantastic at making me feel comfortable in the Sim and tailored the session to my experience! No one was trying to trick me out
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engines operating departure, followed by airwork (steep turns, rolling out on specific headings, speed changes, altitude changes etc.) basic stuff. Then one ILS approach - end of scenario.
Second scenario, one-engine-inoperative departure, engine failure after v1 - vectors for ILS with FD - end of scenario.
Third scenario - one crosswind ILS approach and landing
Second scenario, one-engine-inoperative departure, engine failure after v1 - vectors for ILS with FD - end of scenario.
Third scenario - one crosswind ILS approach and landing
best of luck to everyone! This wait is killing me
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I do wonder how the process works now - do you think the recruitment team sit down and go through everyone's individual performance across the entire recruitment process, i.e., looking at how we performed during the assessment day and also in the sim and then rank us? or do you think they are purely looking at the sim assessment now to decide the successful candidates and nothing else?
Personally I think they'll rank us 1-50 based on the assessment day and simulator assessment because ultimately they may really like certain individuals who had a great interview etc.
let me know what you guys think!
Personally I think they'll rank us 1-50 based on the assessment day and simulator assessment because ultimately they may really like certain individuals who had a great interview etc.
let me know what you guys think!
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I do wonder how the process works now - do you think the recruitment team sit down and go through everyone's individual performance across the entire recruitment process, i.e., looking at how we performed during the assessment day and also in the sim and then rank us? or do you think they are purely looking at the sim assessment now to decide the successful candidates and nothing else?
Personally I think they'll rank us 1-50 based on the assessment day and simulator assessment because ultimately they may really like certain individuals who had a great interview etc.
let me know what you guys think!
Personally I think they'll rank us 1-50 based on the assessment day and simulator assessment because ultimately they may really like certain individuals who had a great interview etc.
let me know what you guys think!
Secondly, back to your post - If I was on the assessment/recruitment/training team, I would want to go through the sim check, assessment day and also all of the tests beforehand (so everything in its entirety). I'd weight them all, enter the scores and totals will pop out at the end of a spreadsheet. That's the more robust and thorough way to evaluate candidates (be it a pilot academy or any other position in an organisation).
As you said, some may have had a great interview and that could be weighted quite high as that's very important to them, something like the verbal test or the group discussion may less important (not to say they don't matter, but slightly less so compared to the interview) and if someone scored low on those, then as the weighting is low, it's not so bad. Where as scoring low on a high weighted assessment is more impactful. So pick out the important elements and score them accordingly.
As no one knows the delay, and as said we start to fill the gaps so I'll chuck in my wild ideas - they could be as crazy as they could be discussing having only 2 cohorts and thus they need to finalise that position first, which would obviously impact the 50. Or, on a more positive guess, they could increase to 4 cohorts so while they finalise the budgets, business case and approvals, they have to hold on as that would mean only 2 candidates get the 'hard luck' email.
So we'll continue to speculate and for those waiting, another 4 weeks or so of nail biting and hopefully not, sleepless nights.
Best of luck to those waiting and those who were unsuccessful, practice and research more, and keep trying!
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Firstly, I think they should get a move on and be more transparent to why there is a delay - Speedbird has just emailed candidates advising them of a delay owing to the time taking to review. That stops the rumour mill and more so the internal over thinking and rumination to why I haven't heard back yet! Human beings need either closure, or some information as we assume and generalise otherwise.
Secondly, back to your post - If I was on the assessment/recruitment/training team, I would want to go through the sim check, assessment day and also all of the tests beforehand (so everything in its entirety). I'd weight them all, enter the scores and totals will pop out at the end of a spreadsheet. That's the more robust and thorough way to evaluate candidates (be it a pilot academy or any other position in an organisation).
As you said, some may have had a great interview and that could be weighted quite high as that's very important to them, something like the verbal test or the group discussion may less important (not to say they don't matter, but slightly less so compared to the interview) and if someone scored low on those, then as the weighting is low, it's not so bad. Where as scoring low on a high weighted assessment is more impactful. So pick out the important elements and score them accordingly.
As no one knows the delay, and as said we start to fill the gaps so I'll chuck in my wild ideas - they could be as crazy as they could be discussing having only 2 cohorts and thus they need to finalise that position first, which would obviously impact the 50. Or, on a more positive guess, they could increase to 4 cohorts so while they finalise the budgets, business case and approvals, they have to hold on as that would mean only 2 candidates get the 'hard luck' email.
So we'll continue to speculate and for those waiting, another 4 weeks or so of nail biting and hopefully not, sleepless nights.
Best of luck to those waiting and those who were unsuccessful, practice and research more, and keep trying!
Secondly, back to your post - If I was on the assessment/recruitment/training team, I would want to go through the sim check, assessment day and also all of the tests beforehand (so everything in its entirety). I'd weight them all, enter the scores and totals will pop out at the end of a spreadsheet. That's the more robust and thorough way to evaluate candidates (be it a pilot academy or any other position in an organisation).
As you said, some may have had a great interview and that could be weighted quite high as that's very important to them, something like the verbal test or the group discussion may less important (not to say they don't matter, but slightly less so compared to the interview) and if someone scored low on those, then as the weighting is low, it's not so bad. Where as scoring low on a high weighted assessment is more impactful. So pick out the important elements and score them accordingly.
As no one knows the delay, and as said we start to fill the gaps so I'll chuck in my wild ideas - they could be as crazy as they could be discussing having only 2 cohorts and thus they need to finalise that position first, which would obviously impact the 50. Or, on a more positive guess, they could increase to 4 cohorts so while they finalise the budgets, business case and approvals, they have to hold on as that would mean only 2 candidates get the 'hard luck' email.
So we'll continue to speculate and for those waiting, another 4 weeks or so of nail biting and hopefully not, sleepless nights.
Best of luck to those waiting and those who were unsuccessful, practice and research more, and keep trying!
I like your positive theory of potentially increasing the cohort size to 4 hahaha, that would be ideal!
It just seems interesting that last years candidates heard as little as 1 week after completing the sim assessment - this would indicate that something potentially important is holding up the process!
I guess we will find out sooner or later - all the best to everyone
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Hi All, I assume the delay is due to contractual stuff before they can start issuing offers. They were having a meeting this week to decide on the Final Cut.
I asked whether finding out earlier than June was a possibility at the sim assessment and they said maybe but it depended on how fast the contractual stuff could be finalised and signed off by the big bosses.
Slightly annoying knowing that our fates may have already been decided… guess we will have to endure the wait
I asked whether finding out earlier than June was a possibility at the sim assessment and they said maybe but it depended on how fast the contractual stuff could be finalised and signed off by the big bosses.
Slightly annoying knowing that our fates may have already been decided… guess we will have to endure the wait
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Hi All, I assume the delay is due to contractual stuff before they can start issuing offers. They were having a meeting this week to decide on the Final Cut.
I asked whether finding out earlier than June was a possibility at the sim assessment and they said maybe but it depended on how fast the contractual stuff could be finalised and signed off by the big bosses.
Slightly annoying knowing that our fates may have already been decided… guess we will have to endure the wait
I asked whether finding out earlier than June was a possibility at the sim assessment and they said maybe but it depended on how fast the contractual stuff could be finalised and signed off by the big bosses.
Slightly annoying knowing that our fates may have already been decided… guess we will have to endure the wait
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How is everyone feeling? I personally think after the latest email it seems like they will put a higher weighting on the simulator assessment rather than the assessment day. 'If you are unsuccessful, you will receive and email and will also be given the opportunity to request feedback on the sim assessment from one of the team'. No mention that the overall outcome will be based on the weighted average of both the assessment day and simulator assessment. What do you guys think?
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I think now it will be an overall assessment of the application plus the sim. The sim will most likely hold much of the conversation at this stage as they’ve probably already discussed assessment centre at length to get the final 50. Of course they will look at the assessment scores too and I suspect they will have them scores in numerical order to give a current ranking. (that’s certainly how we do it in my current job)
They know the final 50 are worthy of a place on the scheme so I think they will look at how we responded to the simulator, how we learn, seek to improve, etc. More than anything I think it’s how we took to the session and our attitude to it too, seeing whether we are the type of people they want to teach as a cadet (and if we can fly a 737 straight and level to start with!)
If they think you aren’t the type of person they can teach over 18 months or not the fit they are looking for ( we look for overly confident or cocky individuals when assessing as that can lead to a clash with instructors and poison the learning environment) then I suspect you will be crossed off.
But who knows at this stage! I personally think it’s best to not speculate how they do it and just have beer and wait. Chances are they’ve already decided and are waiting on contracts to be finalised. At the end of the day just being in the final 50 deserves a pat on the back… and you got to fly a 737 with a TUI captain while you were at it!
They know the final 50 are worthy of a place on the scheme so I think they will look at how we responded to the simulator, how we learn, seek to improve, etc. More than anything I think it’s how we took to the session and our attitude to it too, seeing whether we are the type of people they want to teach as a cadet (and if we can fly a 737 straight and level to start with!)
If they think you aren’t the type of person they can teach over 18 months or not the fit they are looking for ( we look for overly confident or cocky individuals when assessing as that can lead to a clash with instructors and poison the learning environment) then I suspect you will be crossed off.
But who knows at this stage! I personally think it’s best to not speculate how they do it and just have beer and wait. Chances are they’ve already decided and are waiting on contracts to be finalised. At the end of the day just being in the final 50 deserves a pat on the back… and you got to fly a 737 with a TUI captain while you were at it!
How is everyone feeling? I personally think after the latest email it seems like they will put a higher weighting on the simulator assessment rather than the assessment day. 'If you are unsuccessful, you will receive and email and will also be given the opportunity to request feedback on the sim assessment from one of the team'. No mention that the overall outcome will be based on the weighted average of both the assessment day and simulator assessment. What do you guys think?
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How is everyone feeling? I personally think after the latest email it seems like they will put a higher weighting on the simulator assessment rather than the assessment day. 'If you are unsuccessful, you will receive and email and will also be given the opportunity to request feedback on the sim assessment from one of the team'. No mention that the overall outcome will be based on the weighted average of both the assessment day and simulator assessment. What do you guys think?
The wait continues ay!
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I think now it will be an overall assessment of the application plus the sim. The sim will most likely hold much of the conversation at this stage as they’ve probably already discussed assessment centre at length to get the final 50. Of course they will look at the assessment scores too and I suspect they will have them scores in numerical order to give a current ranking. (that’s certainly how we do it in my current job)
They know the final 50 are worthy of a place on the scheme so I think they will look at how we responded to the simulator, how we learn, seek to improve, etc. More than anything I think it’s how we took to the session and our attitude to it too, seeing whether we are the type of people they want to teach as a cadet (and if we can fly a 737 straight and level to start with!)
If they think you aren’t the type of person they can teach over 18 months or not the fit they are looking for ( we look for overly confident or cocky individuals when assessing as that can lead to a clash with instructors and poison the learning environment) then I suspect you will be crossed off.
But who knows at this stage! I personally think it’s best to not speculate how they do it and just have beer and wait. Chances are they’ve already decided and are waiting on contracts to be finalised. At the end of the day just being in the final 50 deserves a pat on the back… and you got to fly a 737 with a TUI captain while you were at it!
They know the final 50 are worthy of a place on the scheme so I think they will look at how we responded to the simulator, how we learn, seek to improve, etc. More than anything I think it’s how we took to the session and our attitude to it too, seeing whether we are the type of people they want to teach as a cadet (and if we can fly a 737 straight and level to start with!)
If they think you aren’t the type of person they can teach over 18 months or not the fit they are looking for ( we look for overly confident or cocky individuals when assessing as that can lead to a clash with instructors and poison the learning environment) then I suspect you will be crossed off.
But who knows at this stage! I personally think it’s best to not speculate how they do it and just have beer and wait. Chances are they’ve already decided and are waiting on contracts to be finalised. At the end of the day just being in the final 50 deserves a pat on the back… and you got to fly a 737 with a TUI captain while you were at it!
Like you said - we shouldn't speculate, but its very hard not too! Most of my days at the minute are occupied thinking about the outcome of this recruitment process and the thought of one day being a TUI Pilot flying the 737!
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I agree with this T1D, I think it is likely we were all ranked Pre-Sim assessment based on our assessment days and then re-ranked taking into consideration the Sim assessment. This will then result in the top 36 being those that have ranked the best overall from the assessment day and the sim!
Like you said - we shouldn't speculate, but its very hard not too! Most of my days at the minute are occupied thinking about the outcome of this recruitment process and the thought of one day being a TUI Pilot flying the 737!
Like you said - we shouldn't speculate, but its very hard not too! Most of my days at the minute are occupied thinking about the outcome of this recruitment process and the thought of one day being a TUI Pilot flying the 737!
It’s been a long ole process and has took nearly six months of our lives to get to this point (no pressure)!
Hopefully they take a leaf out of BAs book who increased from 60 spaces to 100 due to the standard of applications being so high.
I’ll remain hopeful that we hear something by early June