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Thanks so much for your answer, I really appreciate it!
Unfortunately for the A320 position requires more hours, but is another opportunity that is really interesting for those that have it.
Have a good weekend!
Thanks so much for your answer, I really appreciate it!
Unfortunately for the A320 position requires more hours, but is another opportunity that is really interesting for those that have it.
Have a good weekend!
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hi I was contacted by phone 1 month ago for a second chance to the sim! for nothing more they told me to keep my data updated and I would be called back. Some info more? Thank you
hi I was contacted by phone 1 month ago for a second chance to the sim! for nothing more they told me to keep my data updated and I would be called back. Some info more? Thank you
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Did they start to invite people via online assessment? I still didn't receive anything.
By the way, prepare to read some ATPL theory, and read the previous post on this forum. good luck!
By the way, prepare to read some ATPL theory, and read the previous post on this forum. good luck!
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any chance of asking my previous questions mr ryanair?
In particular do you think it’s appropriate to be hiring on such a scale when your colleagues on the front line (who don’t forget pay your wages) still have this huge pay cut?
but don’t worry, its always easier to just turn the other cheek isn’t it. Don’t worry, keep up the charade so Molly gets his 100m, and maybe one day they might even pay you the market rate.
In particular do you think it’s appropriate to be hiring on such a scale when your colleagues on the front line (who don’t forget pay your wages) still have this huge pay cut?
but don’t worry, its always easier to just turn the other cheek isn’t it. Don’t worry, keep up the charade so Molly gets his 100m, and maybe one day they might even pay you the market rate.
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I see MoL got a 20m bonus today.
thats nice for him.
any chance the people that actually earned that will get to see any wages restored?
doubt it.
the greed is unbelievable.
thats nice for him.
any chance the people that actually earned that will get to see any wages restored?
doubt it.
the greed is unbelievable.
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So the first bunch of kids finishing line training have been getting contracts given to them for stn today.
remember when ryr was cagey when every applicant asked “what will i get paid after this afa contract” and they never seemed to be able to answer?
these kids have been offered £17,800. No mention of flight pay. All in.
Just let this sink in. A large company is wowing you to join, but you must pay £30k for a job, to earn 16k a year, but pro rata down for only a few months. Then if you are lucky, and pass, and they want you, you will get a job offer.
Which they won’t tell you the pay, until you have paid them 30k…and its 17,800.
I always thought pilots were supposed to be intelligent. Clearly not. But don’t worry, its just a stepping stone isn’t it? You will move on won’t you?
guess what, in this industry you can run, you cannot hide. The cancer will get you whatever airline you end up at.
oh, and just in case you missed the news, last friday, MoL got a 20ish million bonus.
keep on handing over the 30k people. Roll up roll up, incredible career awaits.
remember when ryr was cagey when every applicant asked “what will i get paid after this afa contract” and they never seemed to be able to answer?
these kids have been offered £17,800. No mention of flight pay. All in.
Just let this sink in. A large company is wowing you to join, but you must pay £30k for a job, to earn 16k a year, but pro rata down for only a few months. Then if you are lucky, and pass, and they want you, you will get a job offer.
Which they won’t tell you the pay, until you have paid them 30k…and its 17,800.
I always thought pilots were supposed to be intelligent. Clearly not. But don’t worry, its just a stepping stone isn’t it? You will move on won’t you?
guess what, in this industry you can run, you cannot hide. The cancer will get you whatever airline you end up at.
oh, and just in case you missed the news, last friday, MoL got a 20ish million bonus.
keep on handing over the 30k people. Roll up roll up, incredible career awaits.
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UAV689, What is the “market rate” for a 250 hour CPL holder?
I ask because when I look back 30 or 40 years ago, a CPL in the U.K. or Ireland wouldn’t have been possible (outside of the rare full time approved training programmes) without a minimum of 700 hours. Even then, that level of experience would likely have been a third of what most airlines would have stipulated as a requirement for right hand seat entry.
Most aspiring pilots would have built experience as flying instructors (with a PPL) and around that level of flight experience, adjusted for inflation, the remuneration comparison would likely have been similar. When JAR regulations were adopted, it became a requirement for all “aerial work” remunerated employment to require holders to have a CPL (no longer allowing remunerated PPL instructors) and to compensate for that, the hours requirement for a CPL dropped to around 200 hours.
At around this time there also emerged the evolution of the “pile ‘em high, sell ‘em cheap” lo-co operators. The CEO of one who famously was quoted as saying he didn’t want co-pilots any more as it only added to the input costs and they were unnecessary. As that idea was something of a non-starter, why not utilise the strict interpretation of the (then) new JAR CPL requirements to go for the next best option? Something that has seemingly worked well for them to this day.
The result was rather akin to the annual migration of the widebeasts. The floodgates of new 200 hour CPL holders burst open (all believing their 250 hours would be just what the airline operators were clamouring for.) Using the same analogy, a lot of those same herds were swept away in the raging currents or eaten by the crocodiles.
So having taken advantage of a regulatory change, why not charge £30k (or whatever) for a type rating? The aspirant airline pilot is out of the game without one. It was a clever strategy and no doubt corporately worthy of stratospheric bonuses. If you increase supply without a corresponding increase in demand then the price (terms and conditions) will inevitably fall. Eventually those terms will spread throughout the whole cost base. Surprise. Surprise, that is exactly what has happened.
So again, I ask what is the “market rate” for a 250 hour CPL holder? My guess is that (for the lucky ones) you are looking at it?
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ercial-flights
I ask because when I look back 30 or 40 years ago, a CPL in the U.K. or Ireland wouldn’t have been possible (outside of the rare full time approved training programmes) without a minimum of 700 hours. Even then, that level of experience would likely have been a third of what most airlines would have stipulated as a requirement for right hand seat entry.
Most aspiring pilots would have built experience as flying instructors (with a PPL) and around that level of flight experience, adjusted for inflation, the remuneration comparison would likely have been similar. When JAR regulations were adopted, it became a requirement for all “aerial work” remunerated employment to require holders to have a CPL (no longer allowing remunerated PPL instructors) and to compensate for that, the hours requirement for a CPL dropped to around 200 hours.
At around this time there also emerged the evolution of the “pile ‘em high, sell ‘em cheap” lo-co operators. The CEO of one who famously was quoted as saying he didn’t want co-pilots any more as it only added to the input costs and they were unnecessary. As that idea was something of a non-starter, why not utilise the strict interpretation of the (then) new JAR CPL requirements to go for the next best option? Something that has seemingly worked well for them to this day.
The result was rather akin to the annual migration of the widebeasts. The floodgates of new 200 hour CPL holders burst open (all believing their 250 hours would be just what the airline operators were clamouring for.) Using the same analogy, a lot of those same herds were swept away in the raging currents or eaten by the crocodiles.
So having taken advantage of a regulatory change, why not charge £30k (or whatever) for a type rating? The aspirant airline pilot is out of the game without one. It was a clever strategy and no doubt corporately worthy of stratospheric bonuses. If you increase supply without a corresponding increase in demand then the price (terms and conditions) will inevitably fall. Eventually those terms will spread throughout the whole cost base. Surprise. Surprise, that is exactly what has happened.
So again, I ask what is the “market rate” for a 250 hour CPL holder? My guess is that (for the lucky ones) you are looking at it?
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ercial-flights
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Just to correct you before you get too excited, this is how it used to work with cadets, the contract would stipulate the basic pay only, and there would be a separate base agreement specifying flight pay as it can vary from base to base.
The basic pay in the Ryanair contract is 21k - 20% covid agreement.
what was it you said previously.. ‘they will never get perm contracts. Self employed gig is back in full swing at RYR. They won’t get a contract for years if ever’.
As promised they are getting permanent contracts direct with Ryanair, surely being the smart guy you are, you wouldn’t have got this so wrong?
Just to correct you before you get too excited, this is how it used to work with cadets, the contract would stipulate the basic pay only, and there would be a separate base agreement specifying flight pay as it can vary from base to base.
The basic pay in the Ryanair contract is 21k - 20% covid agreement.
what was it you said previously.. ‘they will never get perm contracts. Self employed gig is back in full swing at RYR. They won’t get a contract for years if ever’.
As promised they are getting permanent contracts direct with Ryanair, surely being the smart guy you are, you wouldn’t have got this so wrong?
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"Court directs search of Michael O’Leary’s messages" http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...ages-1.4726119
They'll definitely come across some interesting messages regarding pilot unionisation
They'll definitely come across some interesting messages regarding pilot unionisation
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And just to add to this, I agree mostly with what UAV689 says about this toxic industry but he is clearly sharing second or third hand info about MOL bonus, he got no bonus this financial year, the $20m was from the sale of shares within the company.
This has clearly got lost in translation in the flight deck, I can't post a url but a google search would suffice, two completely different things
This has clearly got lost in translation in the flight deck, I can't post a url but a google search would suffice, two completely different things
So, imagine you are a new 200 hour CPL/IR person, you have spent £130,000/two years getting there, you are desperate for your first airline job...are you really going to turn down a permanent salaried job of £17,000, in order to sit at home unemployed or work in Nandos?
No, I thought not.
People really really really really want to be pilots (like people really really want to be artists, or musicians, etc)
Ryanair could make their FO starting salary £10,000 and people would still queue around the block to join
It's not "right", but that's the reality.
No, I thought not.
People really really really really want to be pilots (like people really really want to be artists, or musicians, etc)
Ryanair could make their FO starting salary £10,000 and people would still queue around the block to join
It's not "right", but that's the reality.
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Exactly, actually, being a "Formula 1" pilot is even more expensive than being an Airline pilot!
People dreamed of that job as we dream of ours! I know the personal story of a successful person that previously had to sleep in his RVR camper to be in F1 today!
People dreamed of that job as we dream of ours! I know the personal story of a successful person that previously had to sleep in his RVR camper to be in F1 today!
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Its short sighted and not very resourceful behaviour, neither are desirable traits for an airline pilot to possess. No one should be paying 130k for a CPL for a start… and did someone just compare being an F1 driver to a ryr pilot?
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The “other” career suggested is becoming an elite athlete of which there are few and which is incredibly challenging to obtain.
Financially it pays far beyond what a pilot could ever earn so the investment isn’t the same.
Financially it pays far beyond what a pilot could ever earn so the investment isn’t the same.
