easyJet MPL CAE June 2019
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I wouldn’t take that as absolutely correct. All MPL spaces are currently safe, sure. But that’s because at the moment no planned redundancies at EZY. If that changes over the coming months then nobody will be joining the airline at the end of training, can’t be completing the training of MPL’s on line training and laying off FO’s at the same time.
This was an open day, they wan’t your business so just be careful with plans etc.
This was an open day, they wan’t your business so just be careful with plans etc.
Are you sure?
2 weeks ago, the ATPL cadets were safe. Today, all of the planned easyjet command courses have been cancelled. This means that using the large current pool of MPL cadets will continue to pop out towards the line without new captains freeing up spaces. In addition to that, a lot of FOs leave easyjet for BA which new cadets replace, this will certainly be halted in the short term as they won't be moving over. They will need to maintain the balance and there is easily a year and a half of people in the training pipeline as it stands. I think to call anything safe right now is a severe over estimation. Be careful and have a plan is all I can suggest!
2 weeks ago, the ATPL cadets were safe. Today, all of the planned easyjet command courses have been cancelled. This means that using the large current pool of MPL cadets will continue to pop out towards the line without new captains freeing up spaces. In addition to that, a lot of FOs leave easyjet for BA which new cadets replace, this will certainly be halted in the short term as they won't be moving over. They will need to maintain the balance and there is easily a year and a half of people in the training pipeline as it stands. I think to call anything safe right now is a severe over estimation. Be careful and have a plan is all I can suggest!
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I feel that I just can’t win.
Get through stage 2 , get offered Stage 3 - Cancelled after 6 months.
Get through another Stage 2 , get offered Stage 3 MPL interview - hiring freeze.
FFS. I might start selling some stock in companies then put in CVs to drive the share price down.
Get through stage 2 , get offered Stage 3 - Cancelled after 6 months.
Get through another Stage 2 , get offered Stage 3 MPL interview - hiring freeze.
FFS. I might start selling some stock in companies then put in CVs to drive the share price down.
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Nothing is certain of course and caution should always be exercised however over reacting isn't wise either. I quizzed representatives of EZY at the open day individually and in their group presentation as I have my stage 3 soon so need to know all the facts. The facts are that Easyjet are contractually obliged to train 200 cadets a year for the next 5 years. EZY felt this is safe because they currently forecast a need of 600 new pilots a year. The MPL are their 1st priority so they are relatively safe. Of course it should be mentioned that we don't know how severe the impact of COVID-19 will be so nothing is guaranteed but the way I see it if any airline is set up to weather hard times then it's EZY. The fact is this is an industry wide issue so what effects EZY effects BA and the rest.
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Very good points made above. Just look at flybe who are still taking on MPLs despite being worse for wear. Also, to add to that, airlines like EZY are structured to take advantage of hard times to gain market share. I think that, barring a worst case scenario and deep recession, they plan to conduct business as usual for the short to medium term.
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Business as usual my a**, people that had been prepared and assessed for 2 to 3 years are having their command courses cancelled with 1 week notice from the start, and you say mpl cadets that are not even in the company and have 2 years training in front of them are safe?
Get a grip, it would take them 1 split second to scrape all the cadets, and they wouldn’t waste a second sleep on it.
This is the business you are in, get used to it.
Get a grip, it would take them 1 split second to scrape all the cadets, and they wouldn’t waste a second sleep on it.
This is the business you are in, get used to it.
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No need to get aggressive. This is just my opinion, my assessment of the situation and how I see the company strategy moving based on people I've spoken to. The cadet, FO and captain markets can move at different speeds. Might not be fair, but I'm ready to stand corrected as soon as I see more information. New captains command higher salaries, so it does make sense that's the first line of staff cost cuts, for the time being. No doubt it'll have an impact down the line as well. Also, cadets arent being hired for the current job market, but for the one in two years time. Wasn't so long ago when ryanair was caught with its pants down by insufficient staffing. Sorry if I'm being hopeful about a situation I have no control over. Maybe learn a bit about stoicism?
You’re not thinking it through though. If captains are ‘culled’, they will be demoted to FOs as we’ve not taken any direct entry commands for at least 12 months. They won’t chop a captain from the airline without offering them a demotion first unless they agree to a redundancy. Not that I think its likely to happen but redundancies will be based on the order of which they signed a contract with easyJet.
To the other that said we were contracted with CAE to take X number of cadets every year etc... EasyJet wouldn’t be a FTSE100 company if they hadn’t signed they contract with ample break clauses. They’re not idiots! Presumably there is a fine or similar for breaking that contract, but they will certainly be options for them.
To the other that said we were contracted with CAE to take X number of cadets every year etc... EasyJet wouldn’t be a FTSE100 company if they hadn’t signed they contract with ample break clauses. They’re not idiots! Presumably there is a fine or similar for breaking that contract, but they will certainly be options for them.
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I have a very good plan B, as it happens, thank you very much.
Yes, coronavirus looks awful, but it's much less of a threat than brexit was and we've pulled through that fine. Even in a worst case scenario, coronavirus will no longer be a threat in two years once we have a vaccine.
We just have to wait and see how the markets move. The failure of flybe is just a sign of the airline market consolidating further - for which easy, wizz and ryanair are fully pushing for. Probably not great news for new hires and T&Cs but I'll carry on hoping for the best and preparing for the worst.
Yes, coronavirus looks awful, but it's much less of a threat than brexit was and we've pulled through that fine. Even in a worst case scenario, coronavirus will no longer be a threat in two years once we have a vaccine.
We just have to wait and see how the markets move. The failure of flybe is just a sign of the airline market consolidating further - for which easy, wizz and ryanair are fully pushing for. Probably not great news for new hires and T&Cs but I'll carry on hoping for the best and preparing for the worst.
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What were people like you saying in 2017 when I was last considering these schemes? I've now done the sensible thing, gotten a respected STEM degree from a top university. Please do go on and tell me what to do with your hindsight 20/20 vision.
It's very easy to be on your high horse when you're on the other side.
Also, FYI, the adage is "A picture is worth a thousand words".
It's very easy to be on your high horse when you're on the other side.
Also, FYI, the adage is "A picture is worth a thousand words".
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EasyJet are the biggest virtue signalling airline that preach about equality yet only take candidates whom have a distinct financial advantage and then ask them for more money upon completion of training for a type rating they have more than enough money to fund themselves.
The sooner people realise this and stop believing the marketing BS of the big schools that supply this airline their pilots the better.
These same schools who cannot possibly deliver quality training due to the sheer volumes they need to train to maintain their business model in unrealistic time scales.
The only way they can do this is by cutting corners in training and only using examiners they like to use for obvious reasons.
MPL’s are the above and worse. Your licence is worthless if the airline goes bust.
A MPL is a minimum 5 year risk. ( 2 years training + 3 years to 1500 hours) why would anybody with a modicum of common sense commit a 6 figure sum / their parents house to do this?
The sooner people realise this and stop believing the marketing BS of the big schools that supply this airline their pilots the better.
These same schools who cannot possibly deliver quality training due to the sheer volumes they need to train to maintain their business model in unrealistic time scales.
The only way they can do this is by cutting corners in training and only using examiners they like to use for obvious reasons.
MPL’s are the above and worse. Your licence is worthless if the airline goes bust.
A MPL is a minimum 5 year risk. ( 2 years training + 3 years to 1500 hours) why would anybody with a modicum of common sense commit a 6 figure sum / their parents house to do this?
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It's very easy to be on your high horse when you're on the other side.
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Agreed, Joe.
And Dobby - how do you feel about Covid now?
In the UK we’ve lost Monarch, Thomas & Flybe. There are thousands of native UK pilots looking for a way to pay that mortgage. We’ve pulled through nothing yet.
And Dobby - how do you feel about Covid now?
In the UK we’ve lost Monarch, Thomas & Flybe. There are thousands of native UK pilots looking for a way to pay that mortgage. We’ve pulled through nothing yet.