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I wonder how the selection worked..
My friend got rejected and He has been THE top of his class for last 3 years. Just about to graduate with First Class Masters in Aeronautical Engineering. Also University swimming team captain. Its weird how he got rejected.
My friend got rejected and He has been THE top of his class for last 3 years. Just about to graduate with First Class Masters in Aeronautical Engineering. Also University swimming team captain. Its weird how he got rejected.
Most of you will be rejected. They interview many, very many, few are chosen. Despite being an RAF sponsored chap, thus able to pass OASC, BA declined me in 1997/8/9. By 2000 I was teaching their cadets to fly. By 2001 I was flying their Boeing 737's for Go.
Its all bull****t.
In the years between I've seen them accept total wonkers and reject brilliant men. Just this year I have coached many wonderful A320 type rated FO's on BA interviews and selection. A precious few have had an offer. Rejections come in droves.
There is no reason. No Logic. No pattern.
They take the best. But they also take d!ckheads.
Its the best gig in town buy its a rubbish gig compared to what it was. Its still the best gig in town, but only just. And only if you like London. Frankly you're all lucky to find any job. Times are sh1t and going to get worse. That's a promise, not a prediction.
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Its all bull****t.
In the years between I've seen them accept total wonkers and reject brilliant men. Just this year I have coached many wonderful A320 type rated FO's on BA interviews and selection. A precious few have had an offer. Rejections come in droves.
There is no reason. No Logic. No pattern.
They take the best. But they also take d!ckheads.
Its the best gig in town buy its a rubbish gig compared to what it was. Its still the best gig in town, but only just. And only if you like London. Frankly you're all lucky to find any job. Times are sh1t and going to get worse. That's a promise, not a prediction.
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Perhaps you could provide some excitement for everyone then. Do tell us, did you use a black or a blue pen to fill in your BA application form?
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Well if they had been advertising for swimmers with a Masters in Aeronautical Engineering I'd agree it's weird - but they weren't...
One possible reason out of many: The selectors have to consider the fact that this individual is perhaps going to have to sit in a small space for perhaps 8 - 10 hours and work in relative harmony with another individual, sharing information, advocating his/her point of view and being receptive to the POV of others. In other words would he be a good team player and would he be a guy they'd be comfortable sharing their office with?
Stellar academic and sporting qualifications are not necessarily a good indicator of your ability to perform on the flight deck of an airliner, a thought that should give hope to any of the academically and athletically "lesser" mortals waiting for their results.
He has been THE top of his class for last 3 years. Just about to graduate with First Class Masters in Aeronautical Engineering. Also University swimming team captain. Its weird how he got rejected.
One possible reason out of many: The selectors have to consider the fact that this individual is perhaps going to have to sit in a small space for perhaps 8 - 10 hours and work in relative harmony with another individual, sharing information, advocating his/her point of view and being receptive to the POV of others. In other words would he be a good team player and would he be a guy they'd be comfortable sharing their office with?
Stellar academic and sporting qualifications are not necessarily a good indicator of your ability to perform on the flight deck of an airliner, a thought that should give hope to any of the academically and athletically "lesser" mortals waiting for their results.
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To be fair I have pointed out over the years that its all a load of bull****. BA take on great guys, average guys and total social hand grenades who can't fly for toffee. Most large airlines are the same. Always have been.
You can analyse and agonise it to death. Its just how it is. Think of it as nothing more than a lottery and you'll save a lot of braincells and time.
Same goes for the RAF.
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You can analyse and agonise it to death. Its just how it is. Think of it as nothing more than a lottery and you'll save a lot of braincells and time.
Same goes for the RAF.
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Personally i believe it's what you do on the day of the assessment/interview that counts. You could be a complete plonker but perform well on the day and you're in.
I was recently involved in recruiting a few experienced bods for my company and well some of them won't be making it beyond the initial probabtion period but their performance on the assessment days was superb.
If you get through good on you, remember the battle is not over so don't slack!
I was recently involved in recruiting a few experienced bods for my company and well some of them won't be making it beyond the initial probabtion period but their performance on the assessment days was superb.
If you get through good on you, remember the battle is not over so don't slack!
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Just noticed this, on the BBC as well:
BA slashes recruitment drive blaming APD increase
Not to jump to any conclusions, but could this 'slashed recruitment drive' be the FPP? The '800 jobs' sounds familiar to the initial announcement, although no word specifically about pilot recruitment as yet.
A great shame for us wannabes if it turns out to be the case.
BA slashes recruitment drive blaming APD increase
Not to jump to any conclusions, but could this 'slashed recruitment drive' be the FPP? The '800 jobs' sounds familiar to the initial announcement, although no word specifically about pilot recruitment as yet.
A great shame for us wannabes if it turns out to be the case.
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APD hikes prompt cut-backs at BA | ABTN
"Williams added that many of the new jobs at BA would have been for young people".
Could well be... The axe looms ever closer. Real shame if true.
"Williams added that many of the new jobs at BA would have been for young people".
Could well be... The axe looms ever closer. Real shame if true.
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If it does get axed i think it's a good thing. This program would have put a lot more people in debt as well as stuffing the coffers of the devils of aviation aka oxford, ctc and fte.
Cabair has already gone down and i'm hoping the current economic disaster that is looming in Europe takes down these 3 as well.
My sympathies to those that put the hard work in if the program does get axed.
Cabair has already gone down and i'm hoping the current economic disaster that is looming in Europe takes down these 3 as well.
My sympathies to those that put the hard work in if the program does get axed.
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Play the ball not the man....but as your post is so utterly negative and downright nasty I just hope that however you got to the dark side of the moon that you stay there in perpetuity-never to return.
I wouldn't want you on any flight deck that inhabit, and I doubt many others would to.
I wouldn't want you on any flight deck that inhabit, and I doubt many others would to.
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Bluearrow has a vendetta against integrated flying schools it would seem!
Some of the "800" may well be pilots but my bet is that DEP/Managed path are the first to get a hair cut. The bulk is probably Mixed Fleet, hence the reference to "young people".
Good luck all on the 9th!
Some of the "800" may well be pilots but my bet is that DEP/Managed path are the first to get a hair cut. The bulk is probably Mixed Fleet, hence the reference to "young people".
Good luck all on the 9th!
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Play the ball not the man....but as your post is so utterly negative and downright nasty I just hope that however you got to the dark side of the moon that you stay there in perpetuity-never to return.
I wouldn't want you on any flight deck that inhabit, and I doubt many others would to.
I wouldn't want you on any flight deck that inhabit, and I doubt many others would to.
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Good luck to all those that are waiting!
I hope this doesn't spell the end of FPP but certainly adds a layer of risk to the scheme and subsequent employment on completion. Would hope/think that those awaiting decisions will be ok.
I hope this doesn't spell the end of FPP but certainly adds a layer of risk to the scheme and subsequent employment on completion. Would hope/think that those awaiting decisions will be ok.
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Man I really hope this does not affect those who have already attended the final stage, even though I am not one of them, I imagine this makes their wait all the more nerve racking. It does make you wonder about BA's recruitment strategy though, did they jump the gun? It's not as if APD is anything new...
It does make you wonder about BA's recruitment strategy though, did they jump the gun? It's not as if APD is anything new...
Whatever the reason, good luck.
(edit to add: I reckon the DEPs hoping to be on-line next year are possibly more vulnerable short term than the FPP recruits, for the reasons described above by theTurbofans).
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In the past BA have always tried to find things for the people they have chosen from ab-initio when things have gone pear-shaped. I would be very surprised if the FPP candidates were left without an option after training. As a member of IAG, BA would be in a good position to find places for them.
As said above however, this is quite a blatant stunt to put pressure on the government over APD. Pointing out that they are job providers, and that they will no longer be able to recruit without the government changing their minds over it.
Just a few days before we hear back, really hope it's not going to affect the numbers.
As said above however, this is quite a blatant stunt to put pressure on the government over APD. Pointing out that they are job providers, and that they will no longer be able to recruit without the government changing their minds over it.
Just a few days before we hear back, really hope it's not going to affect the numbers.