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My understanding, which may be totally wrong, is that BA will be deciding who gets through to the very final round and not the FTOs. I would imagine they would do this with all the applicants that have been recommended by the FTOs at the same time. The FPP website stated that final round interviews would commence in November, therefore working back they would have to review the applicants in late October / early November, so it may be a while yet for those who have already completed the FTO phase to hear back from BA. At the same time this leads me to believe that all the FTO selection would have to be complete by the end of October, so the CTC selection must be within the next 3-4 weeks. Just a theory, but I would not panic if you have not heard anything just yet!
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Im not sure I agree, I have my own theory: I think the FTO's will create a short-list of applicants for each of 'their' FPP courses (afterall, they are the ones providing it). I think BA wont have one massive pool, but rather 3 pools (1 for each FTO) at the final stage.
That said, I think each FTO would have wittled down a lot of applicants by the end of their 2nd phase (both in apptitude and interview) to say 75ish. Those 75 will be presented to BA, of which 33 will be chosen.
The FTOs have said their is no "pass mark" (unlike their other courses) for COMPASS...they are just going to take the top scorers and fill a quota. if KingOfKabul is right, it would undermine the point of taking the top COMPASS applicants at stage 2.1 and selecting the best at stage 2.2
If KingOfKabul is right, there could be an uneven distribution across the FTOs (not ideal) and I think BA have trust in them to provide only the best for their final phase. Although you could argue that's unfair as TopGuns applied to CTC and 'dossers' applied to FTE so the competition is very different between the two, i dont think this will be the case and you can assume equal competition at each.
Perhaps CTC are going to do Stage 2.1 and 2.2 in one session rather than split it out like OAA....so they dont need as much time to wittle it down. But overall, i think you are only in competition with others at your chosen FTO, not the masses of the entire FPP
That said, I think each FTO would have wittled down a lot of applicants by the end of their 2nd phase (both in apptitude and interview) to say 75ish. Those 75 will be presented to BA, of which 33 will be chosen.
The FTOs have said their is no "pass mark" (unlike their other courses) for COMPASS...they are just going to take the top scorers and fill a quota. if KingOfKabul is right, it would undermine the point of taking the top COMPASS applicants at stage 2.1 and selecting the best at stage 2.2
If KingOfKabul is right, there could be an uneven distribution across the FTOs (not ideal) and I think BA have trust in them to provide only the best for their final phase. Although you could argue that's unfair as TopGuns applied to CTC and 'dossers' applied to FTE so the competition is very different between the two, i dont think this will be the case and you can assume equal competition at each.
Perhaps CTC are going to do Stage 2.1 and 2.2 in one session rather than split it out like OAA....so they dont need as much time to wittle it down. But overall, i think you are only in competition with others at your chosen FTO, not the masses of the entire FPP
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Just wondering if anyone has heard from Jerez yet? Have tried to find it on the thread but it seems to be the hottest topic at the moment and the thought of tralling through page after page (whilst at work) is just not feasible.
Thanks in advance.
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There were people some 10 pages back that have heard from Jerez, Jerez were sending out emails immediately after the application window closed it seems.
Don't worry though, no news is good news.
Don't worry though, no news is good news.
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Cheers Buddy.
Just getting nervous now as seems SO long ago since I filled in the form. Still hoping but know it is obviously hugely over subscribed. Happen to know when they will be telling people they HAVEN'T been accepted?
Just getting nervous now as seems SO long ago since I filled in the form. Still hoping but know it is obviously hugely over subscribed. Happen to know when they will be telling people they HAVEN'T been accepted?
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The FTOs have said their is no "pass mark" (unlike their other courses) for COMPASS...they are just going to take the top scorers and fill a quota. if KingOfKabul is right, it would undermine the point of taking the top COMPASS applicants at stage 2.1 and selecting the best at stage 2.2
If they're just going to go on COMPASS scores alone, whats the point of doing group tests and interviews? Unless they're going to be ranked on those performances too?
I didnt think every FTO uses COMPASS tests either...
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The loan bit
So, the course is £84000. BA eventually give you this back.
However your living costs and additional fees need to be added to cover the 18 months of the course. So, let's assume that you take out a £100000 loan to cover all of this. You take a 2 year holiday on repayment holiday, plus the 7 years that BA give you the repayments for the £84000, plus at least another year to cover the additional £16000.
That's £100000 over 10 years. At a very conservative 5% interest rate, you'll end up paying £127278. At 7% that goes up to £139330 and at 10% which isn't unfeasible, it's £158580. So let's assume the middle road - £140000. Of which BA give you £84000. That leaves £56000 which ultimately is paid by you. The only winner is the bank, or those people who have rich enough family backgrounds that they can get an interest free loan from their parent / equivalent.
I know BA say they are trying to help those prospective pilots who are less well off, but actually the scheme isn't as shiny as it first appears. I'm genuinely impressed that they're willing to "refund" training costs, but there are better ways to do it whilst saving money for BA and their prospective employee, at the same time avoiding giving the banking system yet more of our money to throw away or spend on bonuses...
Just be aware of what you're really signing up for, and be sure you can afford it. The BA FPP scheme is a huge opportunity, no mistake. But it comes at a very real price.
However your living costs and additional fees need to be added to cover the 18 months of the course. So, let's assume that you take out a £100000 loan to cover all of this. You take a 2 year holiday on repayment holiday, plus the 7 years that BA give you the repayments for the £84000, plus at least another year to cover the additional £16000.
That's £100000 over 10 years. At a very conservative 5% interest rate, you'll end up paying £127278. At 7% that goes up to £139330 and at 10% which isn't unfeasible, it's £158580. So let's assume the middle road - £140000. Of which BA give you £84000. That leaves £56000 which ultimately is paid by you. The only winner is the bank, or those people who have rich enough family backgrounds that they can get an interest free loan from their parent / equivalent.
I know BA say they are trying to help those prospective pilots who are less well off, but actually the scheme isn't as shiny as it first appears. I'm genuinely impressed that they're willing to "refund" training costs, but there are better ways to do it whilst saving money for BA and their prospective employee, at the same time avoiding giving the banking system yet more of our money to throw away or spend on bonuses...
Just be aware of what you're really signing up for, and be sure you can afford it. The BA FPP scheme is a huge opportunity, no mistake. But it comes at a very real price.
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In response to what written above,somewhere in the invitation e-mail for stage two,it clearly stated that those who already posessed a certified pass in the compass test,could go through directly to stage 2.2, thus invalidating the " highest marks go through" theory..
I say this because I to thought they would only pick the best,but then I came up with what I just wrote and felt a little more confident..still waiting for a response by the way :-)
I say this because I to thought they would only pick the best,but then I came up with what I just wrote and felt a little more confident..still waiting for a response by the way :-)
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Thousands apply to become a British Airways pilot
British Airways has had an overwhelmingly positive response to its search for new pilots, receiving more than 6,500 applications from current and aspiring pilots.
The airline's online pilot recruitment careers page also had 25,000 hits in the first 24 hours, after launching the campaign on August 11, 2011.
British Airways launched its biggest pilot recruitment campaign for a decade using three combined programmes: the Future Pilot Programme, recruiting qualified pilots from other airlines and a planned career path for military pilots.
The British Airways Future Pilot Programme, an initiative to help people train to become airline pilots for the first time, has had the biggest response. Some 3,500 people have applied for the 80 places available this year.
The airline has also received around 3,000 applications to join British Airways from experienced pilots already flying with other commercial carriers.
British Airways' head of pilot recruitment, Captain Robin Glover, said: "We are delighted with the fantastic response.
"In the first 24 hours of the campaign we had more than 25,000 hits on our pilot recruitment website with people wanting to find out more.
"We want to recruit the very highest standard of pilots and the BA Future Pilot Programme widens the talent pool even further."
The airline plans to take on more than 800 new pilots by 2016, with around half coming from the Future Pilot Programme.
British Airways has had an overwhelmingly positive response to its search for new pilots, receiving more than 6,500 applications from current and aspiring pilots.
The airline's online pilot recruitment careers page also had 25,000 hits in the first 24 hours, after launching the campaign on August 11, 2011.
British Airways launched its biggest pilot recruitment campaign for a decade using three combined programmes: the Future Pilot Programme, recruiting qualified pilots from other airlines and a planned career path for military pilots.
The British Airways Future Pilot Programme, an initiative to help people train to become airline pilots for the first time, has had the biggest response. Some 3,500 people have applied for the 80 places available this year.
The airline has also received around 3,000 applications to join British Airways from experienced pilots already flying with other commercial carriers.
British Airways' head of pilot recruitment, Captain Robin Glover, said: "We are delighted with the fantastic response.
"In the first 24 hours of the campaign we had more than 25,000 hits on our pilot recruitment website with people wanting to find out more.
"We want to recruit the very highest standard of pilots and the BA Future Pilot Programme widens the talent pool even further."
The airline plans to take on more than 800 new pilots by 2016, with around half coming from the Future Pilot Programme.
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Interesting , I thought there would be more than 3,500 applications for the FPP !
Also interesting it states there are only 80 places available this year, I have heard a few different figures already.
Also interesting it states there are only 80 places available this year, I have heard a few different figures already.
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In response to what written above,somewhere in the invitation e-mail for stage two,it clearly stated that those who already posessed a certified pass in the compass test,could go through directly to stage 2.2, thus invalidating the " highest marks go through" theory..
I say this because I to thought they would only pick the best,but then I came up with what I just wrote and felt a little more confident..still waiting for a response by the way :-)
I say this because I to thought they would only pick the best,but then I came up with what I just wrote and felt a little more confident..still waiting for a response by the way :-)
If they're just going to go on COMPASS scores alone, whats the point of doing group tests and interviews? Unless they're going to be ranked on those performances too?
In addition to this, your COMPASS and group exercise/interview maybe looked at combined.
THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS
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Roger-Wilco,
I am not partaking in this selection but I did initially ask about this and was told by Oxford that those with a previous pass on the COMPASS test could go directly to '2.2' if they had a score of a threshold mark or above (I think it is 34).
I am not partaking in this selection but I did initially ask about this and was told by Oxford that those with a previous pass on the COMPASS test could go directly to '2.2' if they had a score of a threshold mark or above (I think it is 34).
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Mike.
Thanks for the information, that clears things up. I suppose at the end of the day, COMPASS is just an indicator and by no means a definitive test of ones natural ability. For sure, I know if i retook now, I would have a higher score, I made some silly mistakes that I knew i had done just as I clicked proceed.
I could easily see some people havibng a 'bad day' and some a 'good day', but your performance on the day is what's counted and so the emphasis on it could be taken with a pinch of salt.
Thanks for the information, that clears things up. I suppose at the end of the day, COMPASS is just an indicator and by no means a definitive test of ones natural ability. For sure, I know if i retook now, I would have a higher score, I made some silly mistakes that I knew i had done just as I clicked proceed.
I could easily see some people havibng a 'bad day' and some a 'good day', but your performance on the day is what's counted and so the emphasis on it could be taken with a pinch of salt.
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I remember talking with a guy the night before doing the test,he had done it for his Dutch sponsorship scheme,and he showed me his result..
The sheet has a blu line for each subject indicating your score,and a red line indicating the minimum.
Now he seemed a fearly smart chap, like most of the ones I met at the assessment, and his marks went well over the minimums.
As a matter of fact the only advice he gave me was take it easy,don't rush your self,be calm because it's nothing impossible.. And at the end of the day yeah, he was right..
I agree it's more likely to be a matter of having a bad or a good day more than actually being a born pilot or not..
And having said all that, time's running out and the moment of truth is coming up so, best of luck to everyone.
The sheet has a blu line for each subject indicating your score,and a red line indicating the minimum.
Now he seemed a fearly smart chap, like most of the ones I met at the assessment, and his marks went well over the minimums.
As a matter of fact the only advice he gave me was take it easy,don't rush your self,be calm because it's nothing impossible.. And at the end of the day yeah, he was right..
I agree it's more likely to be a matter of having a bad or a good day more than actually being a born pilot or not..
And having said all that, time's running out and the moment of truth is coming up so, best of luck to everyone.
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COMPASS score
Regarding the COMPASS score debate:
The selection is like the NetJet scheme a few years ago at Oxford. The FTO hand over only the ones who have the best COMPASS score to BA for further selection (i.e. BA have got the "Creme de la Creme").
To the others who failed the FPP criteria the FTO propose their course (non-sponsored) to the ones who had a good enough score. This is what is written on the CTC website as outcome 2: " You meet the CTC Wings entry criteria and we offer you a place on a CTC Wings course". I.e. you are allowed to spend over 80k without any guarantee of a job at the end but if you can live with the uncertainty then that's ok.
The selection is like the NetJet scheme a few years ago at Oxford. The FTO hand over only the ones who have the best COMPASS score to BA for further selection (i.e. BA have got the "Creme de la Creme").
To the others who failed the FPP criteria the FTO propose their course (non-sponsored) to the ones who had a good enough score. This is what is written on the CTC website as outcome 2: " You meet the CTC Wings entry criteria and we offer you a place on a CTC Wings course". I.e. you are allowed to spend over 80k without any guarantee of a job at the end but if you can live with the uncertainty then that's ok.