So where are all the jobs then?
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Vito i feel sorry for you man, thats not good news to hear for me.
Im training at the moment in the US but im from Ireland and i would like to go back there after.
Good luck in finiding a job.
Im training at the moment in the US but im from Ireland and i would like to go back there after.
Good luck in finiding a job.
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TP operators do hire from time to time.
I just got a job on the 340 again (Loganair). I think that they will hire more pilots soon.
NextJet in Sweden is also hiring at the moment.
I just got a job on the 340 again (Loganair). I think that they will hire more pilots soon.
NextJet in Sweden is also hiring at the moment.
easyJet taking on contract captains, so no upgrades from existing crew, but taking on CTC flexi crew and OAA grads who spend 32K on a type rating.
I'm glad I'm pursuing a different career these days.
I'm glad I'm pursuing a different career these days.
easyJet are NOT taking on contract Captains and there will be sizeable numbers (circa 50) FO's on Command Courses in the next couple of months.
Sizeable numbers (150ish) of pay-as-go work experience FO cadets of various flavours will be spending the summer at easyJet.
Sizeable numbers (150ish) of pay-as-go work experience FO cadets of various flavours will be spending the summer at easyJet.
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Orange Rip Off
150 PTF cadets x £34k = £ 5.1 Million!
Those TREs must be raking it in!
Meantime regular FOs on standby duty so not hope of SFO hours, and fewer SFOs to Capts for same reason.
Those TREs must be raking it in!
Meantime regular FOs on standby duty so not hope of SFO hours, and fewer SFOs to Capts for same reason.
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8000 hrs total
6000 jet
B747-400 ( for a major uk airline)
B737-3/4/5
ATR42/72
Been flying for uk airlines since 1997... redundant twice!!
no accidents no incidents... no failures good grades in sim and line checks
42 yrs old
blah blah it all doesnt mean jack!! Im unemployed and cant find work and i mean anything... cadets are a much better prospect than me...
if this doesnt put you off a career in this poxy industry then you are mad!!!
6000 jet
B747-400 ( for a major uk airline)
B737-3/4/5
ATR42/72
Been flying for uk airlines since 1997... redundant twice!!
no accidents no incidents... no failures good grades in sim and line checks
42 yrs old
blah blah it all doesnt mean jack!! Im unemployed and cant find work and i mean anything... cadets are a much better prospect than me...
if this doesnt put you off a career in this poxy industry then you are mad!!!
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Ptp,
nobody is going to hire you, even with 10000000 hours. It's finished, over...you cost too much.
And the other guys entering in this industry will soon be out for new fresh non experimented pilots.
Having experience or getting experience is the worse thing you can get. It's the exit door.
Aviation should be seen as a short term project only...fly 3-4 months for an airline, and then give your place to someone else, and put your blue license on a wall, so all you friend can see what you have achieved.
as long people are willing to pay to work, this job will not exist anymore.
nobody is going to hire you, even with 10000000 hours. It's finished, over...you cost too much.
And the other guys entering in this industry will soon be out for new fresh non experimented pilots.
Having experience or getting experience is the worse thing you can get. It's the exit door.
Aviation should be seen as a short term project only...fly 3-4 months for an airline, and then give your place to someone else, and put your blue license on a wall, so all you friend can see what you have achieved.
as long people are willing to pay to work, this job will not exist anymore.
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Seems all the jobs are in oz. Best country in the world without a doubt, proven once again, we didn't go into recession and things are looking good. Currently looking for pilots - Jetstar, Strategic, Tiger. Accepting interest- Virgin Blue, Pacific Blue. Jobs on Kingairs, Metros, Westwinds applenty plus a few bizjet operators recently recruited. I am serriously thinking about leaving Europe and going home to the lucky country. Lucky I was born there 
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Thanks for the tips guys but wanabe2010 is right... experience counts for little when companies like difficult jet and lying air are abusing all the new entrants into this industry.. guys its not your fault but stop selling your souls to the devil and paying for jobs!! you are your own worst enemies and now you've created a monster that will not stop... let me tell you a big shiney jet IS NOT everything... i've been there and it aint what you think!! if you have a real passion for flying thats great... do something that involves flying and i mean real flying... There is no money in this industry anymore and very little glamour.. disrespectful cabin crew constantly calling you ****edeck... senior pilots who really aren't interested in anything you have to say unless its about them or their pension and how many houses or their latest sports car... security staff that look at you and speak to you as if they have just found you lying in some shop doorway covered in p**s!!! seniority sucks too... great for pay leave, days off, trip requests etc but if you want to move on you're 
unless you have command time on anything over 25 tonnes with efis/eicas/evs/etc etc and rocket engines.. or its back to the beginning for you.... junior first officer and another umpteen years in the rhs listening to ****e and kissing the ass of your tre's just to maintain your grades that youve held for the past 10 years in your previous airline.... seriously is this what you want??? To be honest i'm glad i'm out of it... I chose to leave my very cosy job in the rhs of a 747.. 8 years seniority behind me and another 6 yrs in front of me before a sniff at command... I personally couldnt face it... my choice... and now?? Well i still want to fly..its in my bones and always will be but not for an airline.. never again as long as I can still walk and talk.. sorry if thats not what all you young guys want to hear, the truth is often painful... there will always be too many pilots and not enough jobs and the airlines will always be calling the shots..
And before you say it... yes I am bitter.. Im bitter i never had anyone telling me this before i begged borrowed and stole my 50k to pay for my licence... shouldve just kept my ppl and done something else..
unless you have command time on anything over 25 tonnes with efis/eicas/evs/etc etc and rocket engines.. or its back to the beginning for you.... junior first officer and another umpteen years in the rhs listening to ****e and kissing the ass of your tre's just to maintain your grades that youve held for the past 10 years in your previous airline.... seriously is this what you want??? To be honest i'm glad i'm out of it... I chose to leave my very cosy job in the rhs of a 747.. 8 years seniority behind me and another 6 yrs in front of me before a sniff at command... I personally couldnt face it... my choice... and now?? Well i still want to fly..its in my bones and always will be but not for an airline.. never again as long as I can still walk and talk.. sorry if thats not what all you young guys want to hear, the truth is often painful... there will always be too many pilots and not enough jobs and the airlines will always be calling the shots.. And before you say it... yes I am bitter.. Im bitter i never had anyone telling me this before i begged borrowed and stole my 50k to pay for my licence... shouldve just kept my ppl and done something else..
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Ptp:
I understand you completely. I am in the exact sam boat....literally (747 pilot for several years). Currently unemployed and no hint of a job. Can't get on with EZ or Ryanair because I don't need to go through an integrated ATPL course (that's a huge moneymaker for them as we all know). There honestly is not a day that goes by that I sincerely regret my decision to enter into this career...um I mean part-time job...used to be a career. Even for the guys flying. What the hell are they going to have to show after all those years flying? Not much. Pension...hahaha.
I understand you completely. I am in the exact sam boat....literally (747 pilot for several years). Currently unemployed and no hint of a job. Can't get on with EZ or Ryanair because I don't need to go through an integrated ATPL course (that's a huge moneymaker for them as we all know). There honestly is not a day that goes by that I sincerely regret my decision to enter into this career...um I mean part-time job...used to be a career. Even for the guys flying. What the hell are they going to have to show after all those years flying? Not much. Pension...hahaha.
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Jetstar, Strategic, Tiger. Accepting interest- Virgin Blue, Pacific Blue. Jobs on Kingairs, Metros, Westwinds
"of course they are thinking about it!!!, can you believe it?, you can generate money with these idiots of pilots, why should they pay you to work when thousand of whores are willing to kill their mom?"
Strategic is now one of them...300h for 20'000 euro.
most of these offers go up to 500h, soon it will be 1000h, then 2000h, and in 1-2 years, captains will have to pay as well(eaglejet has already this kind of scam).
Slowly this profession will disapear from the planet.As jobs will be harder and harder to get in the future, soon you will see "pay to work"offers for flight attendants, mechanic, etc.
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Jetstar, ..., Tiger. Accepting interest- Virgin Blue, Pacific Blue
(747 pilot for several years). Currently unemployed and no hint of a job.
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lpokijuhyt and ptp,
Jade cargo based out of Schenzen are hiring 747 freighter pilots.
2 weeks on 2 weeks off commuting.
Not advertised as such on website but are doing interviews.
Jade Cargo International - Recruitment Events
Lots of hiring in Asia/Pacific and Aussie is about to boom this year. J* looking for 120 pilots and Virgin about the same.
Jade cargo based out of Schenzen are hiring 747 freighter pilots.
2 weeks on 2 weeks off commuting.
Not advertised as such on website but are doing interviews.
Jade Cargo International - Recruitment Events
Lots of hiring in Asia/Pacific and Aussie is about to boom this year. J* looking for 120 pilots and Virgin about the same.
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It's not so bad - it all depends on your personal experience within the industry. Some people are just damn unlucky... I wonder how the guys feel who jumped from Silverjet, to Zoom, to FlyGlobeSpan etc, all within a couple of years.
I did the Ryanair thing after flight training, but have since moved to a private operator and what I have is a career, still building jet time. Europe's no good for new starters in this sector, but give it a few years and the opportunities will start opening up for the experienced folk.
The Bizworld as I know it has remained relatively unscathed by the ptf tits.
Or maybe I'm wrong...?
I did the Ryanair thing after flight training, but have since moved to a private operator and what I have is a career, still building jet time. Europe's no good for new starters in this sector, but give it a few years and the opportunities will start opening up for the experienced folk.
The Bizworld as I know it has remained relatively unscathed by the ptf tits.
Or maybe I'm wrong...?
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flight schools
Just an opinion. Since these so called airlines are actually charging wanna be pilots for line training are they not more than a flying school ? And as a flight school are they actually allowed to have paying consumers on board their aircraft. Any real airline does not charge their employees for training and then therefore cannot be deemed a flight school. How are these sudo companies getting around this ?