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OK ... be nice as I'm new to this forum. I need suggestions and/or advice.
How about non-flying jobs overseas ?? I'm retired and have been offered employment as a FO at 2 US Regionals. I only have 550 TT (85 ME and a RJ jet transition course) so its regional flying or nothing here in the states and after reading about the QOL and pay at the regionals, I'm re-thinking the flying part and looking into dispatching or similar. I want to travel, kids are grown, but if overseas, would want a gig where I could come home occasionally. Any suggestions ??
How about non-flying jobs overseas ?? I'm retired and have been offered employment as a FO at 2 US Regionals. I only have 550 TT (85 ME and a RJ jet transition course) so its regional flying or nothing here in the states and after reading about the QOL and pay at the regionals, I'm re-thinking the flying part and looking into dispatching or similar. I want to travel, kids are grown, but if overseas, would want a gig where I could come home occasionally. Any suggestions ??
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Yank! you should be thankful that your kids are grown! I do not see how could you raise a family for 25kUSDa year. So like I said be thankful that you were born earlier and with the current maniac in the house is not going to get better.
And you said you want to fly for free...hmm I do not see it. But if I were you I would call NetJets or one of the new fractionals.
With salaries going down, if this multi crew licence BS does not work I would like to see the faces of HR manager telling CEO's that they going to have a 300% increase in Salaries or slow down operations LOL. Because after there is no more monkeys to pay peanuts and sit of the FO seat......
Somebody said there is a shortage of pilots? there IS a shortage of decent paid jobs! pay them good, you will start seeing pilot creping out of all kinds of places, do not sell me the multicrew
And you said you want to fly for free...hmm I do not see it. But if I were you I would call NetJets or one of the new fractionals.
With salaries going down, if this multi crew licence BS does not work I would like to see the faces of HR manager telling CEO's that they going to have a 300% increase in Salaries or slow down operations LOL. Because after there is no more monkeys to pay peanuts and sit of the FO seat......
Somebody said there is a shortage of pilots? there IS a shortage of decent paid jobs! pay them good, you will start seeing pilot creping out of all kinds of places, do not sell me the multicrew
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im looking for the ATC jobs around the world. i have an Aerodrome and Approach Procedural license. 5 years experience with Scheduled IFR and VFR also the Training school
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so where are the jobs?
I may find some jobs deep in africa, to fly single pistons, but who want to do that? what's the point to have 2000h single piston engine, and come back 3-5 years later just to discover that airlines start to turn you down cuz you are too old!!!(I know a guy with over 3000h, has been turned down cuz he had too many hours on piston engine)
if these airlines don't give us a chance , I am not surprised why they have to beg now for captains...
Not everyone can accept these low paid jobs with no futur(for family reason,...)...now you and me understand why so many guys try to go directly to jets.
I may find some jobs deep in africa, to fly single pistons, but who want to do that? what's the point to have 2000h single piston engine, and come back 3-5 years later just to discover that airlines start to turn you down cuz you are too old!!!(I know a guy with over 3000h, has been turned down cuz he had too many hours on piston engine)
if these airlines don't give us a chance , I am not surprised why they have to beg now for captains...
Not everyone can accept these low paid jobs with no futur(for family reason,...)...now you and me understand why so many guys try to go directly to jets.
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Where are all the Jobs !!
Welcome to Aviation ;; Join the "Crowd". I'm also another one of those Pilots; that spent $68 Grand in training, and I'm still searching for a job;; and paying every single hour of Flight Time, and had to turn to "Trucking"
in the U.S.A to be able to make at least $55 Grand a year to survive and to continue paying my flight time. S_ _ T, I could not even get a job in
"Banner Towing"........You have to be somebody's Buddy to get in.
But they do not tell you that in "Flight School" when you are "Blowing" all your "Life Savings". **Good Luck "Fellow Pilot"...........
in the U.S.A to be able to make at least $55 Grand a year to survive and to continue paying my flight time. S_ _ T, I could not even get a job in
"Banner Towing"........You have to be somebody's Buddy to get in.
But they do not tell you that in "Flight School" when you are "Blowing" all your "Life Savings". **Good Luck "Fellow Pilot"...........
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Where are all the jobs?
Hi: Fellow Pilots; Anyone out there Knows; if there is a Company that handles "Ferry flights" (single engine)
mostly;even, if it its in a "Third World" country??? Thanks
mostly;even, if it its in a "Third World" country??? Thanks
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hello guys
i m really going crazy looking for a job does anybody knows which company are looking for pilot with low hours TT i m ready to go everywhere to work i don t care i just want to fly for a company thanks in advance for all your answer
i m really going crazy looking for a job does anybody knows which company are looking for pilot with low hours TT i m ready to go everywhere to work i don t care i just want to fly for a company thanks in advance for all your answer
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huh!?
Man, who are you?
I am currently 33 yrs old, I work my arse off in I.T, I pay for my own training, for which i have just 4.9 hours so far, and want to be an airline pilot. I will complete my CPL (with no IFR initially) and go to the kimberleys, in NW Australia. I dont want to hear that things cant be done in this life. Stop 'ur god damn whinging that other people get everything and you get nothing. You want to be a pilot bad enough, then you will fly on the crappiest pay, live in a tent, and log as many hours as you can. Get to know people. Its not what you know, it's who you know.
I am currently 33 yrs old, I work my arse off in I.T, I pay for my own training, for which i have just 4.9 hours so far, and want to be an airline pilot. I will complete my CPL (with no IFR initially) and go to the kimberleys, in NW Australia. I dont want to hear that things cant be done in this life. Stop 'ur god damn whinging that other people get everything and you get nothing. You want to be a pilot bad enough, then you will fly on the crappiest pay, live in a tent, and log as many hours as you can. Get to know people. Its not what you know, it's who you know.
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Just my thoughts:
As we know, becoming an airline pilot in Europe or USA is not the same thing.
What I mean...
I don't like very much the way, sorry, the ways to become a pilot in Europe. ( I am in Europe by the way!!)
There are inequalities.
You can start your career at 19 y/o in a 320/737 thanks to CTC, Daddy, Chance, TR paid etc
Or you can work very very hard, towing gliders, instruction, ramp, etc for a few years than maybe start on a Beech, then ATR and 320/737 at 35 y/o.
Honestly I like the way in USA. It is not easy, it is not the best maybe, but it is the same for most pilots:
CPL/IR then CFI, CFII, Regionals arlines and Majors.
You can't go to Majors without passing by Regionals, you can't go Regionals
without thousands hours.
IMO, it is a logical and progressive way. I don't say the best but logical.
You can't drive bus/truck if you don't know driving cars!
So in USA I guess they do not denigrate the job FI as I can see on this forum. I am sure that it is a job very respected.
In Europe some people who succeded as an airline pilot at 20 Y/O (for instance!) will dare to tell "no don't do FI, it is waste of time, 320/737 it is better, single engine hours are nothing etc etc "
I assume those guys forgot they've learned to fly thanks to a FI...that's sad.
So in Europe, there is a debate for anything! debates without truth...
FI is bad/FI is good
Good to build up hours/ Not good to have too many single engine hours
Type rating ?? / NO type rating ? (in usa you don't pay it...)
etc
c'est la vie
As we know, becoming an airline pilot in Europe or USA is not the same thing.
What I mean...
I don't like very much the way, sorry, the ways to become a pilot in Europe. ( I am in Europe by the way!!)
There are inequalities.
You can start your career at 19 y/o in a 320/737 thanks to CTC, Daddy, Chance, TR paid etc
Or you can work very very hard, towing gliders, instruction, ramp, etc for a few years than maybe start on a Beech, then ATR and 320/737 at 35 y/o.
Honestly I like the way in USA. It is not easy, it is not the best maybe, but it is the same for most pilots:
CPL/IR then CFI, CFII, Regionals arlines and Majors.
You can't go to Majors without passing by Regionals, you can't go Regionals
without thousands hours.
IMO, it is a logical and progressive way. I don't say the best but logical.
You can't drive bus/truck if you don't know driving cars!
So in USA I guess they do not denigrate the job FI as I can see on this forum. I am sure that it is a job very respected.
In Europe some people who succeded as an airline pilot at 20 Y/O (for instance!) will dare to tell "no don't do FI, it is waste of time, 320/737 it is better, single engine hours are nothing etc etc "
I assume those guys forgot they've learned to fly thanks to a FI...that's sad.
So in Europe, there is a debate for anything! debates without truth...
FI is bad/FI is good
Good to build up hours/ Not good to have too many single engine hours
Type rating ?? / NO type rating ? (in usa you don't pay it...)
etc
c'est la vie
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It's true that in the US we have a lot more equal system...anyone can get a CFI (many schools will pay for the CFI license)...and anyone can get a job flight instructing...and anyone can get a job at a regional after that, flying a jet in most cases (not too many tprops left out there).
It's so funny it was the Euro authorities who grounded a US flightcrew in Germany because we used to not require the FO to have a type...only company FO training...so then the ICAO forced the US to start issuing "SIC type ratings" to our FOs...funny thing is there isn't a single FO on anything bigger than a CRJ/ERJ that doesn't have well over 1500 hours and 1000 hours PIC jet time. And the EU has countless 200 hour cadets flying 737s and A320s....I understand your training is more rigorous, but at least over here you can't buy a job on a 737 or A320 just b/c dad has $$$.
It's so funny it was the Euro authorities who grounded a US flightcrew in Germany because we used to not require the FO to have a type...only company FO training...so then the ICAO forced the US to start issuing "SIC type ratings" to our FOs...funny thing is there isn't a single FO on anything bigger than a CRJ/ERJ that doesn't have well over 1500 hours and 1000 hours PIC jet time. And the EU has countless 200 hour cadets flying 737s and A320s....I understand your training is more rigorous, but at least over here you can't buy a job on a 737 or A320 just b/c dad has $$$.
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yes, in the USA it is more "fair", but in the other hand, the US government make fun of US pilots (and US citizen), high tax to drop bomb on irak, no unemployment benefits except foodstamps, no retirement except your K401 ripoff (kind of saving account managed by banks),racism,very low level of social life with many murders, hijacks, crimes, holdups,drugs,kidnapping,low pay salary, etc...
so is it really better in the USA?when you see people at 75 still working, or having 2-3 jobs to survive or not having time to take care of their kids who don't see anything better to do than to carry gun at school to shot their friends!.
Capitalist countries just see in the short term, but what about in the next 20 years?
so is it really better in the USA?when you see people at 75 still working, or having 2-3 jobs to survive or not having time to take care of their kids who don't see anything better to do than to carry gun at school to shot their friends!.
Capitalist countries just see in the short term, but what about in the next 20 years?
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dartagnan; you paint a bad picture of the usa. Its not the USA i know and believe me when i say that i know better than most. There is something to be said of a system where people have to work their way up as is the case with USA and Canada for instance. It is rare in these 2 countries for people to pay for their own type rating and therefore get ahead because they have access to more money. sounds like a fair system to me..
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wdc2000 couldn't have put it any better having spent about thirteen years in the UK myself and visited other countries during this time. I will have to say that a welfare state like they have in most European countries is not the best. As far as I am concerned it kills creativity and in extreme cases encourages laziness.
I never claimed a penny in welfare but have lots of friends that did some of them can barely stand on thier own two feet as the system in the UK has been tightened up. I spent the best part of 43k pounds on training and completed in 2006 and am currently on a type rating course which I am not paying for all I had to do was relocate. Good luck guys.
I never claimed a penny in welfare but have lots of friends that did some of them can barely stand on thier own two feet as the system in the UK has been tightened up. I spent the best part of 43k pounds on training and completed in 2006 and am currently on a type rating course which I am not paying for all I had to do was relocate. Good luck guys.
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And look at the c?@p you have to put up with in Europe just to get that job. No real life flying experience counts; just archaic old-school written tests, and medical licensing requirements from WWI (oh, and don't forget to book that examination slot 4 years in advance and pay some more money to the government to have that honour extended to you.....)
Hours and flying experience count, not being able to rattle off why a hurricane forms or the square root of an RB211 on a Monday with an OAT of 4C. Ever wonder why Euro airlines require 3 days of tests just to get that job, making up for something are we chaps?
In short you will be a much better, learned and wisened pilot if you fly CFI/Cargo and then Regional to Major. Sure times will be hard, but you are a better pilot for it and will not have to turn the Autopilot on at 500' in the climb!
'nuff said.
Hours and flying experience count, not being able to rattle off why a hurricane forms or the square root of an RB211 on a Monday with an OAT of 4C. Ever wonder why Euro airlines require 3 days of tests just to get that job, making up for something are we chaps?
In short you will be a much better, learned and wisened pilot if you fly CFI/Cargo and then Regional to Major. Sure times will be hard, but you are a better pilot for it and will not have to turn the Autopilot on at 500' in the climb!
'nuff said.